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Engel Beltre

I am plugging away at the Rangers and should have them done late tonight, but I thought you might enjoy my take on Engel Beltre. 

ENGEL BELTRE, OF, Texas Rangers

I took some flack for giving Engel Beltre a Grade C last year, but I don’t really regret the decision. His rookie ball performance was highly erratic: horrible before the trade that sent him from Boston to Texas, excellent afterward. He’s got tools galore, but baseball history is littered with the bloated corpses of many similar players who could not adjust. After a full season in the Midwest League, we have more data now, though Beltre is still a tough grade. On the positive side: he was extremely young for full-season baseball last year at age 18.  He’s got all Five Tools, and has flashed six of the Seven Skills. He is tapping into his natural power, and made good progress with his baserunning and fielding last year. Scouts and coaches like his makeup. His strikeout rate wasn’t awful. On the downside, he’s still very raw as a hitter, with atrocious strike zone judgment. That will put a gigantic cap on his production until and unless he resolves it. Optimists will say that Beltre is so young, that the complete lack of plate discipline doesn’t matter at this point, he can still be a star. And they’re right, he could be. But I can’t go so far as to say the lack of discipline doesn’t matter: it damn well does. It’s a good thing he has a good work ethic, because he’s going to need it. To use a meteorological analogy, Beltre is like a hot Kansas day in late June. The atmosphere is primed to explode. . .hot, humid. . .but there is a layer of warm air at the middle levels capping off the rising air and preventing all that potential energy from exploding. If something can break the cap, a gigantic tornadic thunderstorm will result, but the atmospheric forcing is weak, and the meteorologists aren’t sure what to predict and the stormchasers aren’t sure where to go. Late spring severe days have a high bust potential, but if something breaks the cap, look out. Beltre is exactly like that. If he can get the strike zone under control, he could be/should be a star. But that is a huge IF. Grade B, a compromise between Grade A potential and Grade C refinement.

 

 

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Wow....

Waxing poetic are we??

Nice write up… anxiously waiting for the rest

by laxtonto on Dec 18, 2008 10:49 PM EST reply actions  

good analysis

Over at LoneStarBall, Beltre is their #11 ranked prospect. I personally would have him down around 15. He has alot of tools but doesn’t seem to excell in any one area. Coachability is also a concern. He was benched a few times this past season due to his strikezone judgement. I think he needs to repeat the MWL.

Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year

by RangerMad on Dec 18, 2008 10:53 PM EST reply actions  

Classic Sickels with the meteorology stuff.

by rdf8585 on Dec 18, 2008 11:35 PM EST reply actions  

thanks

Thanks. People sometimes ask what makes my book different than the Baseball America book. It is this kind of personalized thing that I try to do….they can’t because of their format, but I can.

by John Sickels on Dec 18, 2008 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

You should check out Neko Case’s forthcoming record… It’s all about tornadoes.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Dec 19, 2008 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I was initially upset about the C grade

but now I’m starting to think that a B grade might be a bit too high for Beltre. That miserable BB total just scares me too much.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 18, 2008 11:44 PM EST reply actions  

Gdawg1

Does Beltre repeat A ball? Also, if Teixiera signs with Boston, the Outlaw will be right. You know, that east coast bias thing.

Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year

by RangerMad on Dec 18, 2008 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Neat take.

I’m hoping for a good F5 in about 2-3 years.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 19, 2008 12:05 AM EST reply actions  

Now a days it's called EF5.

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Hopefully, in a year or so Sickels will need an enhanced scale to rate Beltre!

Go Rangers!

by rooster on Dec 19, 2008 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Ef that

EF5 , the E is for Engel.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 19, 2008 1:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Quick Question

I tried google searching it but to no avail…

What are the Seven Skills? I consider myself pretty well versed in baseball ,erm, stuff, and am quite surprised I’ve never heard this term before.

Thanks

by jeeves on Dec 19, 2008 12:10 AM EST reply actions  

Neither Have I///

Five tools plus plate discipline and base running instincts?

by Topgun22 on Dec 19, 2008 12:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Seven Skills

This is something that John has refined out from the standard 5 tool idea:

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2007/2/15/15013/7071

"So's your mom"-David Sloane

by gatling on Dec 19, 2008 12:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Player A:
33 BB in his first 794 ABs (starting at 17 years old).
Engel:
37 BB in his first 813 ABs (starting at 17 years old).

Player A was in full-season A at 17; Engel started out in rookie league/GCL.

Engel’s also slugging a lot better.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Dec 19, 2008 10:25 AM EST reply actions  

OK. I'll bite.

Who is player A?

Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year

by RangerMad on Dec 19, 2008 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Pudge. I keep thinking of Engel’s offensive development the same way.

800 ABs in the same league around the same age has to be somewhat telling.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Dec 19, 2008 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

The aggressive style at the plate

certainly makes one think of Pudge, but it seems like their physique is so different I have a hard time with that comp. I doubt Beltre ever gets a league average or above walk rate, and that’s more of a problem with an outfielder than a catcher. He’ll have to be nothing less than excellent in every other part of his game to make up for that.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 19, 2008 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Meh

That is a pretty poor comparison, in my opinion.

Pudge: 108 K, C in A/A+
Beltre: 180 K, OF in complex leagues/A-/A

by aCone419 on Dec 19, 2008 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

great comment

I think you just convinced me to buy the book.

"Was this really necsarry?" - cowpoke/hurler hurley

by trza on Dec 19, 2008 2:41 PM EST reply actions  

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