Community Prospect List: #103
by King Billy Royal on Dec 15, 2008 2:10 PM EST
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After 521 votes the winner of the poll is Ivan Dejesus with 17% of the vote. Julio Teheran (102-5%), Rafael Rodriguez (102-4%), Blake Beavan (102-5%), Will Inman (102-4%) will be removed from the poll because they fell below the 7% cutoff. Brett Lawrie, Adam Moore, Yorman Rodriguez, Josh Reddick, and Cedric Hunter will be added to the poll.
1. MATT WIETERS - C (Baltimore)
2. DAVID PRICE - SP (Tampa Bay)
3. JASON HEYWARD - OF (Atlanta)
4. TRAVIS SNIDER - OF (Toronto)
5. MADISON BUMGARNER - SP (San Francisco)
6. COLBY RASMUS - OF (St. Louis)
7. CAMERON MAYBIN - OF (Florida)
8. TREVOR CAHILL - SP (Oakland)
9. NEFTALI FELIZ - SP (Texas)
10. MATT LAPORTA - 1B/OF/DH (Cleveland)
11. MIKE MOUSTAKAS - 3B (Kansas City)
12. TIM ALDERSON - SP (San Francisco)
13. PEDRO ALVAREZ - 3B (Pittsburgh)
14. RICK PORCELLO - SP (Detroit)
15. DEXTER FOWLER - OF (Colorado)
16. BRETT ANDERSON - SP (Oakland)*
17. DEREK HOLLAND - SP (Texas)
18. ANDREW McCUTCHEN - OF (Pittsburgh)
19. BUSTER POSEY - C (San Francisco)
20. CHRIS TILLMAN - SP (Baltimore)
21. LARS ANDERSON - 1B (Boston)
22. JUSTIN SMOAK - 1B (Texas)
23. THOMAS HANSON - SP (Atlanta)
24. ELVIS ANDRUS - SS (Texas)
25. ANGEL VILLALONA - 1B (San Francisco)
26. JHOULYS CHACIN - SP (Colorado)
27. BRIAN MATUSZ - SP (Baltimore)
28. ERIC HOSMER - 1B (Kansas City)
29. TIM BECKHAM - SS (Tampa Bay)
30. MAX RAMIREZ - C/1B (Texas)
31. JARROD PARKER - SP (Arizona)
32. MICHAEL STANTON - OF (Florida)
33. MAT GAMEL - 3B (Milwaukee)
34. JESUS MONTERO - C (New York-AL)
35. BRETT WALLACE - 3B (St. Louis)
36. JORDAN SCHAFER - OF (Atlanta)
37. WADE DAVIS - SP (Tampa Bay)
38. LOGAN MORRISON - 1B (Florida)
39. CARLOS SANTANA - C (Cleveland)
40. FERNANDO MARTINEZ - OF (New York-NL)
41. JAMES McDONALD - SP (Los Angeles-NL)
42. JEREMY HELLICKSON - SP (Tampa Bay)
43. JOSH VITTERS - 3B (Chicago-NL)
44. YONDER ALONSO - 1B (Cincinnati)
45. TAYLOR TEAGARDEN - C (Texas)
46. FREDDIE FREEMAN - 1B (Atlanta)
47. GORDON BECKHAM - SS (Chicago-AL)
48. BRETT CECIL - SP (Toronto)
49. ALCIDES ESCOBAR - SS (Milwaukee)
50. JORDAN ZIMMERMANN - SP (Washington)
51. CHRIS CARTER - 1B/DH (Oakland)
52. CARLOS TRIUNFEL - SS (Seattle)
53. AUSTIN JACKSON - OF (New York-AL)
54. BEN REVERE - OF (Minnesota)
55. MICHAEL BOWDEN - SP (Boston)
56. TYLER FLOWERS - C (Atlanta)
57. ADRIAN CARDENAS - SS (Oakland)
58. REID BRIGNAC - SS (Tampa Bay)
59. JAKE ARRIETA - SP (Baltimore)
60. JORDAN WALDEN - SP (Los Angeles-AL)
61. MICHAEL MAIN - SP (Texas)
62. WILMER FLORES - SS (New York-NL)
63. MATT DOMINGUEZ - 3B (Florida)
64. MICHAEL SAUNDERS - OF (Seattle)
65. DESMOND JENNINGS - OF (Tampa Bay)
66. CARLOS CARRASCO - SP (Philadelphia)
67. AARON CUNNINGHAM - OF (Oakland)
68. J.P. ARENCIBIA - C (Toronto)
69. GIO GONZALEZ - SP (Oakland)
70. PHILLIPPE AUMONT - SP (Seattle)
71. JEFF SAMARDZIJA - SP/RP (Chicago-NL)
72. MICHAEL INOA - SP (Oakland)
73. AARON HICKS - OF (Minnesota)
74. JEREMY JEFFRESS - SP (Milwaukee)
75. ANGEL SALOME - C (Milwaukee)
76. DANIEL CORTES - SP (Kansas City)
77. GREG HALMAN - OF (Seattle)
78. JACOB McGEE - SP/RP (Tampa Bay)
79. KYLE BLANKS - 1B (San Diego)
80. MARTIN PEREZ - SP (Texas)
81. JULIO BORBON - OF (Texas)
82. NICHOLAS WEGLARZ - OF (Cleveland)
83. JAMES SIMMONS - SP (Oakland)
84. GORKYS HERNANDEZ - OF (Atlanta)
85. JOSE TABATA - OF (Pittsburgh)
86. JASON DONALD - SS (Philadelphia)
87. KYLE SKIPWORTH - C (Florida)
88. DARYL JONES - OF (St. Louis)
89. AARON POREDA - SP (Chicago-AL)
90. MICHAEL BURGESS - OF (Washington)
91. CHRIS PEREZ - RP (St. Louis)
92. NEFTALI SOTO - 3B (Cincinnati)
93. JONATHAN NIESE - SP (New York-NL)
94. TODD FRAZIER - SS/3B (Cincinnati)
95. ENGEL BELTRE - OF (Texas)
96. ADAM MILLER - SP (Cleveland)
97. VINCENT MAZZARO - SP (Oakland)
98. NICK ADENHART - SP (Los Angeles-AL)
99. BEAU MILLS - 1B (Cleveland)
100. CHRISTOPHER MARRERO - OF (Washington)
101. DELLIN BETANCES - SP (New York-AL)
102. IVAN DEJESUS - 2B (Los Angeles-NL)
CANDIDATES - Matt Moore, Cole Rohrbough, Nick Noonan, Sean Doolitlle, Hank Conger, Andrew Lambo, Danny Duffy, Brett Lawrie, Adam Moore, Yorman Rodriguez, Josh Reddick, and Cedric Hunter
TESTERS - Luke Hughes, David Huff, Jose Ceda(93-0%), Nick Barnese(96-2%), Zach McAllister(97-0%), Sean West (99-2%), Dominic Brown (99-2%), Michael Taylor (99-5%), Jason Castro (100-5%), Brad Holt (100-6%), Ryan Tucker (100-3%), Chris Coghlan (100-6%), Scott Elbert (100-3%), Tim Melville (100-6%), Kila Ka'aihue(101-6%), Ethan Martin (101-6%), Jeff Niemann (101-5%), David Cooper (101-4%), Brandon Erbe (101-5%), Julio Teheran (102-5%), Rafael Rodriguez (102-4%), Blake Beavan (102-5%), Will Inman (102-4%)
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Duffy
Not a top-100 talent, but the numbers he’s put up through A-ball as a teenage lefty match up with just about anybody in the minors.
by DrunkIrish on Dec 15, 2008 2:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by the way...
that includes 165K to 80H.
by DrunkIrish on Dec 15, 2008 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
The only two knocks on him are his flyball to groundball ratio, and his lack of a 95 mph fastball. He’s still very projectable, and the numbers don’t lie.
by spoondoggie on Dec 16, 2008 1:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't read.
Unlike the original poster, I believe he is a top 100 talent.
by spoondoggie on Dec 16, 2008 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Testers
David Huff
And if Cedric Hunter is being added to the list, Kulbacki should too
by thudean on Dec 15, 2008 2:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
+1
I’m not certain David Huff is a top 100, but the fact that people are putting so much more on projectability than reliability drives me a little crazy in this list.
by Fundamentals on Dec 15, 2008 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see more guys with a 80% chance of being league average
seriously.
At this point, it seems being extra young and/or injured is almost a net benefit or something.
by siddfynch on Dec 15, 2008 10:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've felt this way...
for most of the list.
by DrunkIrish on Dec 15, 2008 10:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 but still waiting on Coghlan
The argument made for Moore in the previous thread was really convincing. Would vote for Lawrie or Adam Moore afterwards. Adam Moore has really gone under the radar I think despite hitting well for a catcher along with good defense.
by tdot mariner fan on Dec 15, 2008 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I’m a bit surprised at Conger being up.
by toonsterwu on Dec 15, 2008 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brett Lawrie
Definitely an excellent hitter, and if he manages to stay at catcher, then could be a terrific prospect
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by OldProspects on Dec 15, 2008 2:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
His power potential is enormous...
It’s raw but, a plus plus tool.
by byronlhsdrmr on Dec 15, 2008 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For me as well.
He has to have a better chance to be a catcher than Conger.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Testers
When people request testers could everyone please give the last AND first name of the prospect. There are many prospects who share the same last names. Also, if you like or disagree with a proposed tester please place a +/- 1 when somebody suggests a player. This will make it easier for me to gauge the community’s interest.
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Dec 15, 2008 2:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Testers
These are the yet to be on guys who got straight B’s (the range we are in now) from John thus far this year:
Kila Ka’aihue
Carlos Rosa
Daniel Duffy
Michael Montgomery
Tim Melville
Wilson Ramos
Shooter Hunt
Cole Rohrbough
Craig Kimbrel
Michael Taylor
Travis D’Arnaud
Daniel Schlereth
Brandon Erbe
Ryan Flaherty
Daniel Bard
Josh Reddick
Ryan Westmoreland
Chris Valaika
David Cooper
Brett Lawrie
Jon Lucroy
Jemile Weeks
Sean Doolittle
Some of these guys are already testers, but I think most of these guys should be in the pool for discussion at this point.
by aCone419 on Dec 15, 2008 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here are guys Goldstein gave Four Stars to that haven't been elected yet
Jason Castro
Brett Lawrie
Andrew Lambo
Drew Stubbs
Wilin Rosario
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 8:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Juan Ramirez
I’ve got to think that Ramirez deserves a tester somewhere around here. Solid performance, good upside, still a bit raw. Not saying right smack here (although I’d take him over some guys being bandied about), but somewhere around here.
by toonsterwu on Dec 15, 2008 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Other Testers
Well, I guess I forgot a few the first time:
Peter Bourjos
Nolan Reimold
Christrian Friedrich
Hector Rondon
by thudean on Dec 15, 2008 6:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lambo
Should’ve been top 75 atleast.
Now raise your goblet of rock. It's a toast to those who rock!
by Dewey Finn on Dec 15, 2008 2:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I hope you aren’t trying to be serious slurve. We all know that Dewey is many things (i.e. Derek Holland’s stalker) but a sock puppet is not one of them.
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Dec 15, 2008 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
I know Dewey personally. He may be slightly crazy (ok…..VERY crazy) but he tends to post what he believes. Does he exagerate sometimes? Of course. However, he knows his stuff and if you can look past his crazy remarks, you will learn quite a bit. He is definitely NOT a sock puppet.
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Dec 15, 2008 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Tucker!
He is not even in the top 100 based on what? The fact that marlins suggesdted he might move to the pen for a season just because the have limited financial resources. I SERIOUSLY doubt Florida is going to take an arm like that, who just turned 21 and dominated AA ball and permanently make him a reliever. He’s as good or better than Neise (who should be higher…just my opinion), and is a much better prospect than some guys being floated around right now. Duffy is a nice little lefty but has had arm issues and hasnt shown he can pitcha whole season
by casejud on Dec 15, 2008 3:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What the efffff
Reddick, Lambo, and Doolittle are all in but no Bogusevic? Wow.
by Take3 on Dec 15, 2008 4:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Question
I looked at his numbers and they are terrible. Is there something I am missing here? Perhaps a brilliant scouting report?
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Dec 15, 2008 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bogusevic's numbers are terrible?
.347/.431/.508 this past season in AA, and the Arizona Fall League. Those are terrible?
by byronlhsdrmr on Dec 15, 2008 5:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My bad
I was looking at the pitching numbers for Brian Bogusevic. I didn’t realize he is now a hitter. Unfortunately I can’t follow every prospect in the minors. Also, could people PLEASE post the FIRST names when posting testers. If not, I will no longer consider that player to be added, as I have no desire to figure out which player to which you are referring.
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Dec 15, 2008 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Brian Bogusevic deserves a tester
even though his name translates as “Son of Bogus”
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Still no
Why? Well, lets see. Bogie has how many AB? 150 or so? Its the same theory of what happens when a new player comes up that is slightly unknown – no one can figure out his weaknesses. I saw Bogie hit at Tulane and he was definitely an above average hitter. But to say that he’s now back on track after taking years off is ludicrous. There is no way he’ll approach what he could have been as a hitter if that path was chosen for him out of college.
Bogie could be good, but the small sample size is not enough to judge him as better than Lambo/Reddick/Doolittle who are younger and therefore have a greater chance of progression. Remember what Ankiel did was unprecedented. To expect people like Loewen or Bogusevic to repeat Ankiel’s success story is inane. If he does, power to him. But I need to see more than 150 AB to anoint him to be better than some younger, but still very talented hitters.
by thudean on Dec 15, 2008 6:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 to your -1
stop making us look bad.. please…
Remember: baseball guys... baseball...
by Metty5 on Dec 15, 2008 6:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hank Conger is rather popular these days, apparently
by aCone419 on Dec 15, 2008 4:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ballot Stuffing...
He was only at 3% last I checked a couple hours ago.
by slamcactus on Dec 15, 2008 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Coghlan!!!
Now that DeJesus is on the list, Coghlan should be added back to the polls. I think a lot of DeJesus supporters were also Coghlan supporters so the votes were being split.
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by Boxkutter on Dec 15, 2008 4:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I was one of those
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you effing kidding me?
How on God’s green earth does one justify ranking Hank Conger this high? So far he’s had two half-seasons, both seasons he’s gotten hurt, and both season’s he’s hit pretty meh with meh reports on his defense and almost no ability to take a walk.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 15, 2008 6:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's too bad.
The guys that have been organizing this list have done a great job. It’s too bad so many of the voters are idiots.
by DrunkIrish on Dec 15, 2008 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Almost totally agree
He’s hit reasonably well for his age and context. Injuries have dragged down his performance – I think the thing that really hurts his value is that he’s just not going to be a catcher. Position-wise he profiles at 1B or maybe in a dream world as a ghastly LF.
by mrkupe on Dec 15, 2008 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tester
Jairo Heredia, RHP Yankees.
At age 18 in the SAL, he put up a 3.25 ERA with 95 strikeouts in 102 1/3 innings, and kept the ball on the ground with a 1.96 GO/AO ratio. 43 walks was a few too many but overall a pretty solid performance at 18 in full-season ball.
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by lemonjello on Dec 15, 2008 7:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
+1
I think it is time for Tucker to get on the list.
by Dalman on Dec 15, 2008 9:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
testers
for guys like David Freese and Allen Craig….guys that are 23-24, hitting well at AA or AAA with nice progression (e.g., not repeating levels), and project to be at least average with the stick. Seriously people, ducking these type of guys in favor of Julio Teheran?
by siddfynch on Dec 16, 2008 2:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Testers
Coghlan, Ryan Tucker, Brad Holt, Bryan Anderson, Jason Castro and David Cooper.
P.S. no to Jemile Weeks. We don’t need more ballot stuffing.
by LCT on Dec 16, 2008 7:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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