Community Prospect List: #102
by King Billy Royal
on Dec 14, 2008 12:42 PM EST
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After 507 votes the winner of the poll is Dellin Betances with 15% of the vote. Kila Ka'aihue(101-6%), Ethan Martin (101-6%), Jeff Niemann (101-5%), David Cooper (101-4%), Brandon Erbe (101-5%) will be removed from the poll because they fell below the 7% cutoff. Julio Teheran, Rafael Rodriguez, Blake Beavan, Andrew Lambo, Danny Duffy, Will Inman will be added to the poll.
1. MATT WIETERS - C (Baltimore)
2. DAVID PRICE - SP (Tampa Bay)
3. JASON HEYWARD - OF (Atlanta)
4. TRAVIS SNIDER - OF (Toronto)
5. MADISON BUMGARNER - SP (San Francisco)
6. COLBY RASMUS - OF (St. Louis)
7. CAMERON MAYBIN - OF (Florida)
8. TREVOR CAHILL - SP (Oakland)
9. NEFTALI FELIZ - SP (Texas)
10. MATT LAPORTA - 1B/OF/DH (Cleveland)
11. MIKE MOUSTAKAS - 3B (Kansas City)
12. TIM ALDERSON - SP (San Francisco)
13. PEDRO ALVAREZ - 3B (Pittsburgh)
14. RICK PORCELLO - SP (Detroit)
15. DEXTER FOWLER - OF (Colorado)
16. BRETT ANDERSON - SP (Oakland)*
17. DEREK HOLLAND - SP (Texas)
18. ANDREW McCUTCHEN - OF (Pittsburgh)
19. BUSTER POSEY - C (San Francisco)
20. CHRIS TILLMAN - SP (Baltimore)
21. LARS ANDERSON - 1B (Boston)
22. JUSTIN SMOAK - 1B (Texas)
23. THOMAS HANSON - SP (Atlanta)
24. ELVIS ANDRUS - SS (Texas)
25. ANGEL VILLALONA - 1B (San Francisco)
26. JHOULYS CHACIN - SP (Colorado)
27. BRIAN MATUSZ - SP (Baltimore)
28. ERIC HOSMER - 1B (Kansas City)
29. TIM BECKHAM - SS (Tampa Bay)
30. MAX RAMIREZ - C/1B (Texas)
31. JARROD PARKER - SP (Arizona)
32. MICHAEL STANTON - OF (Florida)
33. MAT GAMEL - 3B (Milwaukee)
34. JESUS MONTERO - C (New York-AL)
35. BRETT WALLACE - 3B (St. Louis)
36. JORDAN SCHAFER - OF (Atlanta)
37. WADE DAVIS - SP (Tampa Bay)
38. LOGAN MORRISON - 1B (Florida)
39. CARLOS SANTANA - C (Cleveland)
40. FERNANDO MARTINEZ - OF (New York-NL)
41. JAMES McDONALD - SP (Los Angeles-NL)
42. JEREMY HELLICKSON - SP (Tampa Bay)
43. JOSH VITTERS - 3B (Chicago-NL)
44. YONDER ALONSO - 1B (Cincinnati)
45. TAYLOR TEAGARDEN - C (Texas)
46. FREDDIE FREEMAN - 1B (Atlanta)
47. GORDON BECKHAM - SS (Chicago-AL)
48. BRETT CECIL - SP (Toronto)
49. ALCIDES ESCOBAR - SS (Milwaukee)
50. JORDAN ZIMMERMANN - SP (Washington)
51. CHRIS CARTER - 1B/DH (Oakland)
52. CARLOS TRIUNFEL - SS (Seattle)
53. AUSTIN JACKSON - OF (New York-AL)
54. BEN REVERE - OF (Minnesota)
55. MICHAEL BOWDEN - SP (Boston)
56. TYLER FLOWERS - C (Atlanta)
57. ADRIAN CARDENAS - SS (Oakland)
58. REID BRIGNAC - SS (Tampa Bay)
59. JAKE ARRIETA - SP (Baltimore)
60. JORDAN WALDEN - SP (Los Angeles-AL)
61. MICHAEL MAIN - SP (Texas)
62. WILMER FLORES - SS (New York-NL)
63. MATT DOMINGUEZ - 3B (Florida)
64. MICHAEL SAUNDERS - OF (Seattle)
65. DESMOND JENNINGS - OF (Tampa Bay)
66. CARLOS CARRASCO - SP (Philadelphia)
67. AARON CUNNINGHAM - OF (Oakland)
68. J.P. ARENCIBIA - C (Toronto)
69. GIO GONZALEZ - SP (Oakland)
70. PHILLIPPE AUMONT - SP (Seattle)
71. JEFF SAMARDZIJA - SP/RP (Chicago-NL)
72. MICHAEL INOA - SP (Oakland)
73. AARON HICKS - OF (Minnesota)
74. JEREMY JEFFRESS - SP (Milwaukee)
75. ANGEL SALOME - C (Milwaukee)
76. DANIEL CORTES - SP (Kansas City)
77. GREG HALMAN - OF (Seattle)
78. JACOB McGEE - SP/RP (Tampa Bay)
79. KYLE BLANKS - 1B (San Diego)
80. MARTIN PEREZ - SP (Texas)
81. JULIO BORBON - OF (Texas)
82. NICHOLAS WEGLARZ - OF (Cleveland)
83. JAMES SIMMONS - SP (Oakland)
84. GORKYS HERNANDEZ - OF (Atlanta)
85. JOSE TABATA - OF (Pittsburgh)
86. JASON DONALD - SS (Philadelphia)
87. KYLE SKIPWORTH - C (Florida)
88. DARYL JONES - OF (St. Louis)
89. AARON POREDA - SP (Chicago-AL)
90. MICHAEL BURGESS - OF (Washington)
91. CHRIS PEREZ - RP (St. Louis)
92. NEFTALI SOTO - 3B (Cincinnati)
93. JONATHAN NIESE - SP (New York-NL)
94. TODD FRAZIER - SS/3B (Cincinnati)
95. ENGEL BELTRE - OF (Texas)
96. ADAM MILLER - SP (Cleveland)
97. VINCENT MAZZARO - SP (Oakland)
98. NICK ADENHART - SP (Los Angeles-AL)
99. BEAU MILLS - 1B (Cleveland)
100. CHRISTOPHER MARRERO - OF (Washington)
101. DELLIN BETANCES - SP (New York-AL)
CANDIDATES - Ivan DeJesus, Matt Moore, Cole Rohrbough, Nick Noonan, Sean Doolitlle, Hank Conger, Julio Teheran, Rafael Rodriguez, Blake Beavan, Andrew Lambo, Danny Duffy, Will Inman
TESTERS - Yorman Rodriguez, Jose Ceda(93-0%), Nick Barnese(96-2%), Josh Reddick(96-3%), Zach McAllister(97-0%), and Cedric Hunter(97-1%), Sean West (99-2%), Dominic Brown (99-2%), Michael Taylor (99-5%), Jason Castro (100-5%), Brad Holt (100-6%), Ryan Tucker (100-3%), Chris Coghlan (100-6%), Scott Elbert (100-3%), Tim Melville (100-6%), Kila Ka'aihue(101-6%), Ethan Martin (101-6%), Jeff Niemann (101-5%), David Cooper (101-4%), Brandon Erbe (101-5%)
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Rohrbough
Once again
Never, Never, NEVER give up
by hero66 on
Dec 14, 2008 12:52 PM EST
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Pitching with an injury last year
He was on a severely sprained ankle for much of last year. I think he is much better than he appeared last year and will move way up these lists if he has a healthy 2009.
by parish on
Dec 15, 2008 9:25 AM EST
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Scouting report?
Since I am too poor to pay for a BA update that has it?
by siddfynch on
Dec 14, 2008 2:20 PM EST
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Borrowing this
from a post Brickhaus made recently:
“LHP, sits 92-94, touches 96, makings of plus curve and change, good control, struck out 35% of the batters he faced and only allowed 6 hits per 9.”
"So's your mom"-David Sloane
by gatling on
Dec 14, 2008 2:51 PM EST
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Well, for repeating rookie ball that is expected with his stuff
I am interested in what separates him as a prospect from someone like Barnese. Also, his secondary pitches must be very raw for the Rays to keep him in rookie ball unless there is some other reason. A hard throwing lefty can dominate at that level with the fastball alone so the decision looks odd to me.
by tdot mariner fan on
Dec 14, 2008 3:04 PM EST
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My impression is what happened was
that last year he did well, but not brilliantly, and they wanted him to have another shot at it. John mentioned in his book last year that his FB was only around 90, so it seems like his stuff dramatically improved over (or before?) the season.
I’m not really sure how to compare him to Barnese. Moore is a lefty and seems to have a better fastball, but Barnese did quite well at a higher level at the same age. They’re both strong prospects but very far away, though Moore seems to be a bit more high-risk/high- reward
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by OldProspects on
Dec 14, 2008 3:25 PM EST
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The gamebreaker for me
Is that very rarely do pitching prospects dominate in Princeton, which is a very hitter-oriented environment. It seems like someone dominates HV just about every year, and they don’t necessarily do as well moving up. Still, what Barnese did in HV was on par with what Davis, McGee and Hellickson did there (maybe even a touch better than the first two), and you know where those guys are ranked now…
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on
Dec 14, 2008 4:08 PM EST
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I'm a little confused
Are you saying that Barnese is like Davis/McGee/Hellickson (some of the best pitching prospects available), but that Moore could be even better? If that’s what you’re saying, I basically agree, though I’d emphasize the word “could.”
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by OldProspects on
Dec 15, 2008 1:20 AM EST
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Moore
Moore placed 5th on BA’s Ray’s top 10 – ahead of every pitching prospect except Davis. This time next year, it’s possible Moore will have passed him up as well.
by slurve on
Dec 15, 2008 6:37 AM EST
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Yes
I’m saying that Barnese is in the same place Davis/McGee/Hellickson were in their respective development curves, but Moore is ahead of all four of them on his development curve. Moore is much better than all of them were when they were in Rookie ball. I will give that Moore was 2 months older than Davis, 6 months older than Barnese, 9 months older than Hellickson, and a year older than McGee at the same level, but he performed better and with better stuff at the same level as those four.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on
Dec 15, 2008 1:12 PM EST
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I don't know
that you can really call his 21.3 innings in 2007 and 50 innings this year as actually repeating the level.
"So's your mom"-David Sloane
by gatling on
Dec 14, 2008 3:37 PM EST
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Bad choice of words for what I was thinking
Rookie ball is usually where teams send high school players after the draft to get their feet wet in professional ball, but almost all top high school talents get placed at A- or full season ball the next year. The Rays may be a bit more cautious with promoting young players, however, I cannot see why he was not put in A-.
by tdot mariner fan on
Dec 14, 2008 6:12 PM EST
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you have to remember
That at least half the teams in that league (Appy League) do NOT use that as their lowest level affiliate. The Braves, Royals, Twins, and Cardinals just off the top of my head have an AZL or GCL level team in addition to the Appy League team. So it’s not like he’s throwing against all 17 and 18 year olds from Latin America or kids straight out of high school
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by doublestix on
Dec 14, 2008 6:27 PM EST
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The Rays NEVER skip high school pitchers over rookie ball and short season ball
They haven’t done it once in the past 4 years.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on
Dec 14, 2008 7:26 PM EST
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And as an addendum
They ALWAYS make them play a full year of each. They probably could have advanced Moore to short season, but that would have pushed someone else who they want to develop out of the rotation. All five starters there were guys the team has high hopes for.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on
Dec 14, 2008 7:28 PM EST
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He only pitched a few innings in rookie ball
The HV pitching roster was stacked because the Rays have drafted 2/3 pitchers the last few years, and he barely played in 2007 because he signed late, so they kept him in Princeton. Not much more to it than that, as far as I understand..
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on
Dec 14, 2008 4:05 PM EST
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Also
His stuff did improve between 2007 and 2008. He was throwing a good 4 mph faster this year.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on
Dec 14, 2008 4:06 PM EST
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Good to hear on the velocity improvement
If it holds in full season ball, his value will really jump.
by tdot mariner fan on
Dec 14, 2008 6:17 PM EST
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+1
--Pablo Zevallos of yankeesfuture.wordpress.com
by Pablo Zevallos on
Dec 14, 2008 2:45 PM EST
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Duffy
re: his numbers 2 years in a row.
by spoondoggie on
Dec 14, 2008 1:34 PM EST
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+1
Should have been on a while ago. No love despite ridiculous numbers.
by OccamsRazor on
Dec 14, 2008 2:02 PM EST
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I agree he should be on here by now...
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on
Dec 14, 2008 4:10 PM EST
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DeJesus until hes on
and have been voting Dejesus for a good 10-15 picks now. He should’ve been on in the late 70s, early 80s.
by Navi's_Navy on
Dec 14, 2008 2:33 PM EST
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Me too, unless Martin becomes a candidate again.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on
Dec 14, 2008 7:09 PM EST
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Which Rafael Rodriguez is that?
Angels?
Touch em all Joe...
by FisherCat on
Dec 14, 2008 3:20 PM EST
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Jenrry Mejia
For the Tester column
Age in 2009: 19
Position: RHP
Pitches:
Fastball – Mid-90s, touches 97. Good command, throws to both sides of plate. Already a plus pitch
Changeup – Upper 80s, touches 89. Frequently used and mixed in with fastball, has good tumbling action. Command needs work, possibly a plus pitch
Curveball – Mid-70s. Not used often, but has sick movement with great bite. Command needs a lot of work, but also has a possibility of becoming a plus pitch.
Stats at age 18 in NYP:
11 GS, 56.2 IP, 42 H, 52 K, 23 BB, 4 HR (2.26 K/BB, 8.33 K/9, 3.68 BB/9)
The Goods: Great fastball, ahead-of-the-curve secondary pitches, good numbers, still may gain velocity.
The Bads: Efforted motion brings standard worries about durability and command
by METSMETSMETS on
Dec 14, 2008 3:40 PM EST
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Eh
Too early. He’s a great sleeper but closer to 150.
by supermets on
Dec 14, 2008 7:23 PM EST
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Give him the tester column
it’s hard to ignore him. I think he’ll be around 140. but that means he should be a tester at this point.
by METSMETSMETS on
Dec 15, 2008 4:25 PM EST
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How about
Jeff Locke for a tester?
--Pablo Zevallos of yankeesfuture.wordpress.com
by Pablo Zevallos on
Dec 14, 2008 4:04 PM EST
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Needs to pass the Double-A test
His performance isn’t strong enough given his age and level. He’s promising, but need to see more.
by aap212 on
Dec 14, 2008 4:40 PM EST
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Testers..
Adam Moore and Luis Valbuena both deserve to get testers.
by slamcactus on
Dec 14, 2008 4:17 PM EST
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coughlin
cant believe he still isnt up there
by Fishfan79 on
Dec 14, 2008 7:55 PM EST
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+1
But right after DeJesus gets on
by Navi's_Navy on
Dec 14, 2008 8:49 PM EST
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+1
I am voting for Coghlan and DeJesus (in that order). DeJesus this time, but whenever Coghlan is on the ballot I vote for him instead.
"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile
by Boxkutter on
Dec 15, 2008 2:18 AM EST
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I like this idea
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on
Dec 14, 2008 10:32 PM EST
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De Jesus
How Brignac gets on at 58 while De Jesus is omitted entirely from the top 100 is beyond me.
by CapgrasDelusion on
Dec 15, 2008 2:33 AM EST
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yes
Founder of the Johnny Giavotella fan club.
by doublestix on
Dec 15, 2008 3:01 AM EST
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+1
I’m a fan of both and don’t see how there is such a huge gap
by foolintherain on
Dec 15, 2008 3:24 AM EST
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Agreed
I’m not a Briggy fan at all, I think he’s a fringy top 100 propspect who won’t be a regular starter. I would probably take DeJesus over Briggy actually, but it’s close.
by slurve on
Dec 15, 2008 6:40 AM EST
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So you don't think DeJesus won't be a regular starter either?
If you do think he’ll be one, why is it close?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on
Dec 15, 2008 6:47 AM EST
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*will be a regular starter*
That’s a lotta negatives
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on
Dec 15, 2008 6:48 AM EST
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That's why
I said I’d take DeJesus over Briggy – I think he has a better chance of contributing more regularly.
by slurve on
Dec 15, 2008 7:08 AM EST
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Oh that's easy to explain
Brignac at 58 was a gigantic mistake.
by alskor on
Dec 15, 2008 2:21 PM EST
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Julio Teheran?
I have as much love for Braves’ prospects as anyone on this site. In fact, I had a mancrush on Teheran prior to the season. But how can he even garner 24 votes when he’s only thrown 15 innings as a pro and missed a majority of last season with an arm injury?
by psugator on
Dec 15, 2008 9:25 AM EST
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Conger?
A guy almost certain to move to first base with zero patience and only average power? Someone will have to explain those votes to me. The idea that Conger might get on before Jason Castro or Adam Moore is just absurd.
by slamcactus on
Dec 15, 2008 12:04 PM EST
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