Community Prospect List: #99
by the pinstripes on Dec 12, 2008 12:09 PM EST
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PrintAfter 448 votes the winner of the poll is Nick Adenhart with 17% of the vote. Cole Rohrbough(6%), Nick Noonan(5%), Kila Ka'Aihue(5%), Ethan Martin(5%), Danny Duffy(4%), & Jeff Niemann(4%) will be removed from the poll because they fell below the 7% cutoff. Eric Hurley, Sean West, Andrew Lambo, Dominic Brown, David Cooper, Michael Taylor, & Matt Moore will be added to the poll.
1. MATT WIETERS - C (Baltimore)
2. DAVID PRICE - SP (Tampa Bay)
3. JASON HEYWARD - OF (Atlanta)
4. TRAVIS SNIDER - OF (Toronto)
5. MADISON BUMGARNER - SP (San Francisco)
6. COLBY RASMUS - OF (St. Louis)
7. CAMERON MAYBIN - OF (Florida)
8. TREVOR CAHILL - SP (Oakland)
9. NEFTALI FELIZ - SP (Texas)
10. MATT LAPORTA - 1B/OF/DH (Cleveland)
11. MIKE MOUSTAKAS - 3B (Kansas City)
12. TIM ALDERSON - SP (San Francisco)
13. PEDRO ALVAREZ - 3B (Pittsburgh)
14. RICK PORCELLO - SP (Detroit)
15. DEXTER FOWLER - OF (Colorado)
16. BRETT ANDERSON - SP (Oakland)*
17. DEREK HOLLAND - SP (Texas)
18. ANDREW McCUTCHEN - OF (Pittsburgh)
19. BUSTER POSEY - C (San Francisco)
20. CHRIS TILLMAN - SP (Baltimore)
21. LARS ANDERSON - 1B (Boston)
22. JUSTIN SMOAK - 1B (Texas)
23. THOMAS HANSON - SP (Atlanta)
24. ELVIS ANDRUS - SS (Texas)
25. ANGEL VILLALONA - 1B (San Francisco)
26. JHOULYS CHACIN - SP (Colorado)
27. BRIAN MATUSZ - SP (Baltimore)
28. ERIC HOSMER - 1B (Kansas City)
29. TIM BECKHAM - SS (Tampa Bay)
30. MAX RAMIREZ - C/1B (Texas)
31. JARROD PARKER - SP (Arizona)
32. MICHAEL STANTON - OF (Florida)
33. MAT GAMEL - 3B (Milwaukee)
34. JESUS MONTERO - C (New York-AL)
35. BRETT WALLACE - 3B (St. Louis)
36. JORDAN SCHAFER - OF (Atlanta)
37. WADE DAVIS - SP (Tampa Bay)
38. LOGAN MORRISON - 1B (Florida)
39. CARLOS SANTANA - C (Cleveland)
40. FERNANDO MARTINEZ - OF (New York-NL)
41. JAMES McDONALD - SP (Los Angeles-NL)
42. JEREMY HELLICKSON - SP (Tampa Bay)
43. JOSH VITTERS - 3B (Chicago-NL)
44. YONDER ALONSO - 1B (Cincinnati)
45. TAYLOR TEAGARDEN - C (Texas)
46. FREDDIE FREEMAN - 1B (Atlanta)
47. GORDON BECKHAM - SS (Chicago-AL)
48. BRETT CECIL - SP (Toronto)
49. ALCIDES ESCOBAR - SS (Milwaukee)
50. JORDAN ZIMMERMANN - SP (Washington)
51. CHRIS CARTER - 1B/DH (Oakland)
52. CARLOS TRIUNFEL - SS (Seattle)
53. AUSTIN JACKSON - OF (New York-AL)
54. BEN REVERE - OF (Minnesota)
55. MICHAEL BOWDEN - SP (Boston)
56. TYLER FLOWERS - C (Atlanta)
57. ADRIAN CARDENAS - SS (Oakland)
58. REID BRIGNAC - SS (Tampa Bay)
59. JAKE ARRIETA - SP (Baltimore)
60. JORDAN WALDEN - SP (Los Angeles-AL)
61. MICHAEL MAIN - SP (Texas)
62. WILMER FLORES - SS (New York-NL)
63. MATT DOMINGUEZ - 3B (Florida)
64. MICHAEL SAUNDERS - OF (Seattle)
65. DESMOND JENNINGS - OF (Tampa Bay)
66. CARLOS CARRASCO - SP (Philadelphia)
67. AARON CUNNINGHAM - OF (Oakland)
68. J.P. ARENCIBIA - C (Toronto)
69. GIO GONZALEZ - SP (Oakland)
70. PHILLIPPE AUMONT - SP (Seattle)
71. JEFF SAMARDZIJA - SP/RP (Chicago-NL)
72. MICHAEL INOA - SP (Oakland)
73. AARON HICKS - OF (Minnesota)
74. JEREMY JEFFRESS - SP (Milwaukee)
75. ANGEL SALOME - C (Milwaukee)
76. DANIEL CORTES - SP (Kansas City)
77. GREG HALMAN - OF (Seattle)
78. JACOB McGEE - SP/RP (Tampa Bay)
79. KYLE BLANKS - 1B (San Diego)
80. MARTIN PEREZ - SP (Texas)
81. JULIO BORBON - OF (Texas)
82. NICHOLAS WEGLARZ - OF (Cleveland)
83. JAMES SIMMONS - SP (Oakland)
84. GORKYS HERNANDEZ - OF (Atlanta)
85. JOSE TABATA - OF (Pittsburgh)
86. JASON DONALD - SS (Philadelphia)
87. KYLE SKIPWORTH - C (Florida)
88. DARYL JONES - OF (St. Louis)
89. AARON POREDA - SP (Chicago-AL)
90. MICHAEL BURGESS - OF (Washington)
91. CHRIS PEREZ - RP (St. Louis)
92. NEFTALI SOTO - 3B (Cincinnati)
93. JONATHAN NIESE - SP (New York-NL)
94. TODD FRAZIER - SS/3B (Cincinnati)
95. ENGEL BELTRE - OF (Texas)
96. ADAM MILLER - SP (Cleveland)
97. VINCENT MAZZARO - SP (Oakland)
98. NICK ADENHART - SP (Los Angeles-AL)
CANDIDATES - Ivan DeJesus, Christopher Marrero, Dellin Betances, Beau Mills, Jason Castro, Eric Hurley, Sean West, Andrew Lambo, Dominic Brown, David Cooper, Michael Taylor, & Matt Moore
TESTERS - Jose Ceda(93-0%), Brad Holt(95-4%), Ryan Tucker(95-3%), Nick Barnese(96-2%), Josh Reddick(96-3%), Chris Coghlan(96-2%), Scott Elbert(97-6%), Will Inman(97-2%), Zach McAllister(97-0%), Tim Melville(97-5%), and Cedric Hunter(97-1%), Cole Rohrbough(98-6%), Nick Noonan(98-5%), Kila Ka'Aihue(98-5%), Ethan Martin(98-5%), Danny Duffy(98-4%), & Jeff Niemann(98-4%)
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Chris Coghlan.
Above average defense at 2B.
Walks more than he strikes out.
Already in the upper minors.
30+ steals per year potential.
Plenty of doubles power that may turn into HR power, but even if it doesn’t, 30-40 doubles a season is solid.
"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile
+1 on Coghlan
He is probably one of the more underrated prospects on this site.
by tdot mariner fan on Dec 12, 2008 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Sure, but DeJesus can sort of play SS and he's a candidate.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 12, 2008 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed...
I like DeJesus as well. I think he should also be on the list and I have voted for him a few times when Coghlan wasn’t on it. Both seem to profile as very similar players, but Coghlan seems to be a better base stealer based on their numbers in the minors so far. DeJesus is younger, but since Coghlan was a college kid, I don’t think you can hold that against him. I am hearing that Dejesus could be about an average (or adequate) defensive SS, so I don’t know if he could be an above average 2B like Coghlan is. I still like Coghlan better, but I think both should have been on this list by now.
"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile
I like both, just prefer Coghlan slightly more
But at least DeJesus gets some support, Coghlan only recieved 8 votes last time which is somewhat dissapointing at this point.
by tdot mariner fan on Dec 12, 2008 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
In the absence of Duffy
Betances or Marrero. Went Betances. =
Jason Castro!
He’s an above-average hitter, who is patient, and has a quick swing. His power potential is average, maybe a little above. Goldstein says he has a plus arm – I think it’s a tick above-average. He has some problems with his footwork, but is a good receiver, and is very athletic for a catcher. He also has the ability to steal a bag. Castro played in short season A, and the Hawaii winter league (really fall) combining for .296 BA .438 OBP .420 SLG% .858 OPS in 216 at-bats. Castro’s XBH% was only 30% but, that is not a bad number – just not great – and his on base numbers were great. He struck out 54 times compared to 38 walks. Those are just his pro numbers. He also played for Stanford during the College World Series, and came up in the clutch in a number of instances for them – that’s when I was sold on Castro.
I think those numbers, particularly the OBP are top 100 numbers, and I think he has clearly established himself as one of the best prospects from the 2008 draft, after being immediately looked at as an overdraft. I also do not think you can undervalue what a good catcher can add to his team, especially the Astros, who have lacked one who can hit for a long time.
For those of you asking about his ETA, "Watch," Acta said, "Castro could be ready for the majors by the end of the season." That is a quote from Nationals manager Manny Acta during the winter meetings.
Jason Castro
I voted Castro.
I’m going with my gut on this one.
I liked him better than most did on draft day.
Haven’t see much to change my mind.
And the 5th best OPS in Hawaii only tends to reinforce my opinion.
by acerimusdux on Dec 12, 2008 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
CHRISTOPHER MARRERO
He was 27th(!) on BA’s top 100 coming into the year, one place ahead of Jason Heyward. His skills have not deterioated; he was just injured in the middle of the year.
It is his time.
+1
we have overlooked him big time. this is much worse of a slight than that bum adenhart.
I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?
by the pinstripes on Dec 12, 2008 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Heh
Even better- wait until Adenhart beats the Yankees and send him the game tape.
by David Tokarz on Dec 12, 2008 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
i pray that the angels throw adenhart out there against the yanks.
I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?
by the pinstripes on Dec 12, 2008 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
i wouldn’t hold my breath. the way the angels promoted him even though he didn’t necessarily warrant it bodes pretty well for rushing him again.
after this season he needs to wear a flack jacket. again, i can’t remember a top pitching prospect shelled like that before. i mean, he got smoked.
I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?
by the pinstripes on Dec 12, 2008 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
I think
they’ll be more carefull with him from now on. They had reason… at least a defensible position for rushing him last year. He was completely awesome in spring training except for his last start if I remember correctly. Then he imploded. Hopefully they learned their lesson. I’m not saying he’s a “top” pitching prospect, but he definately belongs in the top 100.
+1
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Dec 12, 2008 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Ivan DeJesus
I’m sorry, but it will be a crying shame (As in I may shed a tear, sad native american style) if DeJesus does not make the list. An average or better defensive shortstop who can hit for average with a little pop. May still be improving as a hitter as he progresses. Seems to be a perfect fit for the top 100.
Average defensive shortstop, above average defensive second basemen...
with the ability to hit for average, and a little pop.
Castro is an above average defensive catcher (with a plus arm – according to Goldstein). He has the ability to hit for average, and more pop than DeJesus. Sounds like Castro wins the heads up. VOTE CASTRO!
by byronlhsdrmr on Dec 12, 2008 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Blame it on
some of the others that shouldn’t be on the list – not the guys who are getting voted on now. Marerro >>> DeJesus.
tough one
at first glance, i’m thinking betances, moore, or mills. i voted dellin, because i’ve liked him for awhile and i think the potential is too high, but it’s a very lukewarm nod. i almost think people are underselling david cooper a bit and was tempted to go here, but i couldn’t talk myself into putting cooper ahead of mills.
What isn't hard
is leaving an A-ball pitcher with some suspect perifs off a top 100 list. Marerro is far more deserving.
true enough
but take a look at betances second half perifs. there’s nothing suspect about them.
I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?
by the pinstripes on Dec 12, 2008 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Went Matt Moore,
who along with Chris Marrero and Chris Coghlan, is being underrated on this list. I think I’d take those three over any of Borbon, Martin Perez, Gorkys, Tabata, Beltre, or Mazzaro.
"So's your mom"-David Sloane
Vote Betances!
His only problem was the walks, and during the second half of the year he solved it. What’s not to like?
--Pablo Zevallos of yankeesfuture.wordpress.com
Need to see more
a few good months in low-a just doesn’t do it for me. Need to see if he can sustain the lack of walks for a few months in hi-a this year.
For comparison
Here are the A’s who made this top 100 with the grade they received from John.
Cahill: B+
Anderson: B+
Chris Carter: B
Cardenas: B
Cunningham: B
Gio: B
Inoa: B-
Simmons: B-
Mazzaro: B-
We may have overrated some of these guys just a titch.
You seem to have "conveniently" forgotten the two A's who got full B's and aren't on this list
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
Time for more testers
Probably will be voting Marrero until he’s on.
Interesting that I havent seen anyone mention Mills at all, yet he is leading this poll.
Testers:
- Stubbs
- Montgomery
- Teheran
- Viciedo
- Weeks
- Doolittle
Watching the progression of this one
There has been a suspicious surge for Mills towards the end, but at this point who really cares.
if Inoa and Perez are on
Teheran should have been on ages ago as well. He’s living off glowing scouting reports just like the other two.
Then again, there are some…shall we say…well you know what I’m getting at.
Founder of the Johnny Giavotella fan club.
He's actually 21?
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
+1001
I’m with you there. Let’s get him on!
Ya I voted for him
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 12, 2008 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
We need more pitchers
Pitchers are desperately underrepresented on this list, especially considering almost a third of them are from the A’s and Rangers, who have cough a few fans on here.
I'm amused that the A's and Rangers are resented for getting too much attention.
Not that I disagree, especially after Kyle Blanks was ranked below about five A’s prospects that I’d trade for him.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 12, 2008 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
You might be misinterpreting me
While I think there have been some wonky rankings with guys from those teams (especially with the Rangers), I don’t resent the two best farm systems in baseball for having lots of guys on the list. My problem is that there are so few pitchers on the list. The fact that such a huge percentage of the pitchers on the list are from teams that are getting stuffed makes it all the more glaring. Perhaps we should have mimicked Sickels by doing a hitter list and pitcher list.
Beau Mills - Ballot Stuff
Why would you waste your time stuffing a guy like Mills?
www.thebaseballuniverse.blogspot.com
I have been voting for the triumverate of...
Mills
Melville
Martin
They are my killer M’s
Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
Crash Davis
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