Community Prospect List: #96
by the pinstripes on Dec 10, 2008 9:28 AM EST
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PrintAfter 398 votes the winner of the poll is Engel Beltre with 16% of the vote. Vincent Mazzaro again placed second with 14%. Andrew Lambo(5%), Brad Holt(4%), Jeff Niemann(3%), Michael Taylor(3%) & Ryan Tucker(3%) will be removed from the poll because they fell below the 7% cutoff. Dellin Betances, Nick Barnese, Josh Reddick, Matt Moore, Chris Coghlan & Nick Noonan will be added to the poll.
1. MATT WIETERS - C (Baltimore)
2. DAVID PRICE - SP (Tampa Bay)
3. JASON HEYWARD - OF (Atlanta)
4. TRAVIS SNIDER - OF (Toronto)
5. MADISON BUMGARNER - SP (San Francisco)
6. COLBY RASMUS - OF (St. Louis)
7. CAMERON MAYBIN - OF (Florida)
8. TREVOR CAHILL - SP (Oakland)
9. NEFTALI FELIZ - SP (Texas)
10. MATT LAPORTA - 1B/OF/DH (Cleveland)
11. MIKE MOUSTAKAS - 3B (Kansas City)
12. TIM ALDERSON - SP (San Francisco)
13. PEDRO ALVAREZ - 3B (Pittsburgh)
14. RICK PORCELLO - SP (Detroit)
15. DEXTER FOWLER - OF (Colorado)
16. BRETT ANDERSON - SP (Oakland)*
17. DEREK HOLLAND - SP (Texas)
18. ANDREW McCUTCHEN - OF (Pittsburgh)
19. BUSTER POSEY - C (San Francisco)
20. CHRIS TILLMAN - SP (Baltimore)
21. LARS ANDERSON - 1B (Boston)
22. JUSTIN SMOAK - 1B (Texas)
23. THOMAS HANSON - SP (Atlanta)
24. ELVIS ANDRUS - SS (Texas)
25. ANGEL VILLALONA - 1B (San Francisco)
26. JHOULYS CHACIN - SP (Colorado)
27. BRIAN MATUSZ - SP (Baltimore)
28. ERIC HOSMER - 1B (Kansas City)
29. TIM BECKHAM - SS (Tampa Bay)
30. MAX RAMIREZ - C/1B (Texas)
31. JARROD PARKER - SP (Arizona)
32. MICHAEL STANTON - OF (Florida)
33. MAT GAMEL - 3B (Milwaukee)
34. JESUS MONTERO - C (New York-AL)
35. BRETT WALLACE - 3B (St. Louis)
36. JORDAN SCHAFER - OF (Atlanta)
37. WADE DAVIS - SP (Tampa Bay)
38. LOGAN MORRISON - 1B (Florida)
39. CARLOS SANTANA - C (Cleveland)
40. FERNANDO MARTINEZ - OF (New York-NL)
41. JAMES McDONALD - SP (Los Angeles-NL)
42. JEREMY HELLICKSON - SP (Tampa Bay)
43. JOSH VITTERS - 3B (Chicago-NL)
44. YONDER ALONSO - 1B (Cincinnati)
45. TAYLOR TEAGARDEN - C (Texas)
46. FREDDIE FREEMAN - 1B (Atlanta)
47. GORDON BECKHAM - SS (Chicago-AL)
48. BRETT CECIL - SP (Toronto)
49. ALCIDES ESCOBAR - SS (Milwaukee)
50. JORDAN ZIMMERMANN - SP (Washington)
51. CHRIS CARTER - 1B/DH (Oakland)
52. CARLOS TRIUNFEL - SS (Seattle)
53. AUSTIN JACKSON - OF (New York-AL)
54. BEN REVERE - OF (Minnesota)
55. MICHAEL BOWDEN - SP (Boston)
56. TYLER FLOWERS - C (Atlanta)
57. ADRIAN CARDENAS - SS (Oakland)
58. REID BRIGNAC - SS (Tampa Bay)
59. JAKE ARRIETA - SP (Baltimore)
60. JORDAN WALDEN - SP (Los Angeles-AL)
61. MICHAEL MAIN - SP (Texas)
62. WILMER FLORES - SS (New York-NL)
63. MATT DOMINGUEZ - 3B (Florida)
64. MICHAEL SAUNDERS - OF (Seattle)
65. DESMOND JENNINGS - OF (Tampa Bay)
66. CARLOS CARRASCO - SP (Philadelphia)
67. AARON CUNNINGHAM - OF (Oakland)
68. J.P. ARENCIBIA - C (Toronto)
69. GIO GONZALEZ - SP (Oakland)
70. PHILLIPPE AUMONT - SP (Seattle)
71. JEFF SAMARDZIJA - SP/RP (Chicago-NL)
72. MICHAEL INOA - SP (Oakland)
73. AARON HICKS - OF (Minnesota)
74. JEREMY JEFFRESS - SP (Milwaukee)
75. ANGEL SALOME - C (Milwaukee)
76. DANIEL CORTES - SP (Kansas City)
77. GREG HALMAN - OF (Seattle)
78. JACOB McGEE - SP/RP (Tampa Bay)
79. KYLE BLANKS - 1B (San Diego)
80. MARTIN PEREZ - SP (Texas)
81. JULIO BORBON - OF (Texas)
82. NICHOLAS WEGLARZ - OF (Cleveland)
83. JAMES SIMMONS - SP (Oakland)
84. GORKYS HERNANDEZ - OF (Atlanta)
85. JOSE TABATA - OF (Pittsburgh)
86. JASON DONALD - SS (Philadelphia)
87. KYLE SKIPWORTH - C (Florida)
88. DARYL JONES - OF (St. Louis)
89. AARON POREDA - SP (Chicago-AL)
90. MICHAEL BURGESS - OF (Washington)
91. CHRIS PEREZ - RP (St. Louis)
92. NEFTALI SOTO - 3B (Cincinnati)
93. JONATHAN NIESE - SP (New York-NL)
94. TODD FRAZIER - SS/3B (Cincinnati)
95. ENGEL BELTRE - OF (Texas)
CANDIDATES - Vincent Mazzaro, Nick Adenhart, Ivan DeJesus, Adam Miller, Scott Elbert, Christopher Marrero, Dellin Betances, Nick Barnese, Josh Reddick, Matt Moore, Chris Coghlan & Nick Noonan
TESTERS - Zach McAllister, Cedric Hunter(86-0%), Danny Duffy(91-5%), Jason Castro(92-2%), Eric Hurley(93-2%), Jose Ceda(93-0%), Tim Melville(93-3%), Kila Ka'Aihue(93-5%), Cole Rohrbough(94-5%), Sean West(94-5%), Ethan Martin(94-5%), Beau Mills(94-5%), David Cooper(94-4%), Dominic Brown(94-3%), Andrew Lambo(95-5%), Brad Holt(95-4%), Jeff Niemann(95-3%), Michael Taylor(95-3%) & Ryan Tucker(95-3%)
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Inman
I find it strange that a 21-year-old with a 23.8 K% in the Texas League hasn’t even merited discussion. Especially when Nick Noonan is still running around in here.
Scouting reports suck
They basically regard him as a trick pitcher rather than one who really has the stuff to succeed in MLB as more than middle relief.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
Miller or Adenhart
Either way for me, really, though I went with Adenhart.
Chris Marrero
If not for injury, he would have been on here long ago. He went down just as he was heating up, thus freezing his line for the year in “meh” territory:
April: .200/.284/.353
May: .267/.356/.475
June: .294/.338/.559
INJURY
He was the same age as SNTS hero Andrew Lambo, a level up, and with huge power potential.
I voted Marrero
He and Lambo are pretty close IMO. Marrero has huge power potential, I totally agree with that statement. But his AA results have been less than stellar, and was a pretty big disappointment in 2008. I actually had him ranked higher than Snider going into the year. Their similar profiles/tools combined with Marrero flashing more power leaned me on the Marrero side. If he starts out hot in AA in 2009, he could skyrocket up prospect lists.
Betances is a top 80 prospect. This list sucks.
by schmosterballs92 on Dec 10, 2008 10:59 AM EST reply actions
go start your own list
Have some manners. Maybe if betances didn’t walk nearly 5 guys per 9 he’d be on by now. I don’t know. You’ll have to ask the community, which evidently collectively doesn’t exactly match your list. Shocking.
+1 on the manners
However, the community voted Jeffress onto the list at 74, and he has averaged 5.09 BB/9, with 10.39 K/9 versus Dellin’s 4.55 BB/9 and 10.43 K/9. Just looking at the numbers, Dellin is ahead. Even if you think otherwise, there is no way Jeffress is 22 spots better.
by cookiedabookie on Dec 10, 2008 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
perhaps true
I didn’t vote for jeffress either, but the community in all its flaws has spoken. :) You make a good point, and perhaps betances does belong on the list by now, but there are lots of deserving players. I went Ivan Jr. and think he should have been on by now.
+1 on manners, but
I’m not a big supporter of Jeffress and do think Betances is a top 100 prospect. However, I do think there is a big difference between them. Betances did it at a lower level and with a lower GB rate. To me, he has to prove it every level and will always be a step or two behind Jeffress because of it, unless either of them gains control, at which point one will vault away from the other.
Just looking at the numbers.....
Why would anyone “just look at the numbers” for a guy in the lower minors?
Betances was in low A ball this year, Jeffress was in A+/AA. Betances performance was somewhat similar to Jeffress a year ago at the same level (3.67 ERA, 1.27 WHIP, 2.29 K/BB vs. 3.13 ERA, 1.23 WHIP, 2.16 K/BB).
But I need more than numbers to go on for a guy in low A ball. Jeffress in A+ this year was selected as the fourth best prospect in the FSL by BA, based on input from coaches and managers. Betances, a level lower, didn’t make their top 20 for the SAL. In 2006, Jeffrress went in the 1st round, with the 16th pick of the draft, Betances went in the 8th round, with the 254th pick. Jeffries was recently ranked in the top 50 prospects in the game by the scouts surveyed by MLB for their list for the second year in a row.
I’m willing to be sold on Betances, but I have yet to see a reasonable case for him in the top 100. Show me the quotes, or scouting reports, from anyone who thinks he’s as good as Jeffress. Show me the rankings by actual scouts, coaches, or managers, or other experts who actually rank him that high.
by acerimusdux on Dec 10, 2008 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Betances
I’ve read several pieces that state Betances stuff is exceptional. I don’t think that’s really in question. The knock on him is/was always the command issues which were pretty significant. The only difference between the two is that Jeffress is doing it at a higher level.
However, one could argue that Betances has turned the corner with his second half results supporting that premise. I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Betances leap frog Jeffress next year.
Check out these numbers. His walks decreased dramatically while his hits per 9 and k rate stayed pretty much the same. If that’s not improvement I don’t know what is.
1st half: 60 / 40 / 41 / 70
2nd half: 55.1 / 47 / 18 / 65
I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?
by the pinstripes on Dec 10, 2008 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Don't forget
to send in your top 100 list. I know you have one!
DeJesus again.
OBP + SS/2B = 96
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 10, 2008 11:15 AM EST reply actions
+1
Has had solid plate discipline for 2 years. I’ll admit his power may be fluky in AA, but considering he played in the CAL league previously, an inflated SLG may not be the case. His IsoP did marginally increase between A+ and AA. He is likely a solid to above-average glove at short, and if moved, an above-average to excellent glove at second. He looks like starting middle infielder and should be ranked accordingly.
unless he is awful again
In which case it’ll seem like the collective we actually took 2008 into consideration. :)
right
let’s not pay ANY attention to his numbers which, oh by the way, were probably among the 10 worst in all of minor league baseball.
I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?
by the pinstripes on Dec 10, 2008 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Surprised...
that Coghlan, Mazzaro, and DeJesus are not on the list yet. Shouldn’t the A’s ballot stuffer(s) have him on the list about 15 spots ago? I also think Reddick should be in the Top 100.
"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile
I think whoever was stuffing for A's prospects gave it up a while ago, based on the vote patterns
There’s still the “large SBN fanbase/homer” vote but that’s not in the same range of swaying results.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
James Simmons disagrees
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Dec 10, 2008 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
18 different people posted each thread for like 20 polls asking you to try him as a tester.
People may have just realized he’s a really good prospect – who is going to be higher on BP’s and BA’s top 100 lists than we have him. Hell, he was higher last year IIRC
LOL
18 different people posted in EACH THREAD for 20 POLLS asking for me to put him as a tester? That is not nearly true. I have put numerous A’s on the list so please drop the nonsense that I have been unfair to them. I highly doubt that he will be higher on BP and BA’s top 100 list then he is on our list. I was just poking some fun at PT, he dishes it out and he also can take it, regarding the A’s fans ballot stuffing. It isn’t his fault that certain teams (i.e. Rangers, A’s) fans tend to stuff the ballot box more then others.
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Dec 10, 2008 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
alskor
exaggerating a bit, but Simmons did have support for quite awhile before hitting the list. He’s not the only case like that though. You’re doing a great job, and some guys are bound to fall thru the cracks now and then.
"So's your mom"-David Sloane
Voted Coghlan this time
I like his offensive upside a bit more than DeJesus right now. He has signs of growing power with 32 2B and Ks slightly less than DeJesus. They both have great K/BB ratios though with both being about even. Right now, I can see Coghlan being a 20/20 player with a very good OBP if all goes well.
DeJesus and Mills are next on my list.
by tdot mariner fan on Dec 10, 2008 12:20 PM EST reply actions
Coghlin
Will likely be a better player than half of these other prospects already on this list. At least.
Founder of the Johnny Giavotella fan club.
+1
that’s why I started calling for him to be a tester back in the 40s. He profiles very similar to Dustin Pedroia… who just won an MVP award. He has more speed than Pedroia, but probably less power. What is the downside of a player like Coghlan?
"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile
You can not...
ever compare any player to Dustin Pedroia. Players like him are very rare and are only as good as they are because of how hard they work.
You cannot...
not combine the words “can” and “not”. j/k
His tools seem very similar to Pedroia, so that’s where the comparison comes from. Plus, both were very underappreciated her on minorleagueball.com. I think Pedroia was only ranked in about the 60s two years ago. Both are plus defenders with great BB/K ratios. Both have some speed and some pop and hit over 300 on a yearly basis.
"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile
Being underappreciated on this site is a predictor of stardom
So Derek Holland is screwed.
Not sure...
if that was sarcasm or not, but I hope it wasn’t. You usually seem to have a very good perception of players (i.e. your opinions usually agree with mine lol).
"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile
SUCKS! .. :-)
I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?
by the pinstripes on Dec 10, 2008 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Matt Moore...
really couldn’t have possibly done any more than he did last year. His stuff is excellent, his stats downright silly. He deserves a ranking.
Vote Betances!
Plain and simple, he’s better than Mazzaro. Adenhart wouldn’t be bad here, either.
--Pablo Zevallos of yankeesfuture.wordpress.com
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