Brackman
Has anyone heard any positive buzz about Andrew Brackman's return to pitching? It looks from his stats like he's had some troubles with control and he's had a few bad and a few good outings. Just kind of curious as to what people are thinking about him right now as a major league prospect.
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Brackman
I’ve read (I think RiverAveBlues.com) that his velocity is back, but his control is just off. Not surprising considering all the time he’s missed.
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by hallofamer2000 on Nov 7, 2008 8:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Read similar on baseball america
Here is one report from an outing
Right hander Andrew Brackman (Yankees) went six innings allowing two runs (one earned) to get his third win of the winter season for Waikiki. Brackman has struggled with command at times in the HWB league. However, control was not a problem Thursday night as he allowed only four hits and one walk, while striking out seven
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I cannot find the one that talked about his velocity, but i read that it was up to mid 90s.
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by jbluestone on Nov 7, 2008 11:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Where would he rank
On a Yankees top prospects list? Is his upside still high enough to warrant a top 10, or did the surgery set him back too much? We’ll get to see what BA thinks next week. I would say he’s maybe a fringe guy at number 10, but that’s just me.
by brok515 on Nov 7, 2008 11:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
BA
Gave him #3
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by hallofamer2000 on Nov 8, 2008 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
!!!
Yeah!! Who needs a 7 footer with a mid 90’s FB as a prospect? I’ll admit that Brackman’s got a long way to go, but his upside is such that I think it’s worth holding one’s breath, if only for a little while.
by GuyinNY on Nov 8, 2008 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a huge project
who was always kind of a long shot.
It was a bad pick then, Keith Law is an idiot and was an idiot for putting him on the top 100, and its still a bad pick. He’s a bundle of red flags – previous injury, delivery, mechanics, secondary stuff, etc…
I dont care about his upside – Im saying dont hold your breath because I think there’s like a 7 percent chance of him making it. He’s got lots of hurdles to overcome – and the first is to even see if he’s healthy and can put in a healthy season.
Im not suggesting the Yanks release him or anything – all I said was “dont hold your breath” waiting for this guy to break out – because the odds are stacked against it.
by alskor on Nov 8, 2008 10:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but he can hit the jumper from 15 ft
he wasn’t a bad basketball player.
by wobatus on Nov 8, 2008 11:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
Have you ever even seen him pitch and you’re calling someone else an idiot (an IDIOT.. not merely wrong, but an IDIOT) for ranking him as a draft prospect?
This site is so worthless
by nms on Nov 9, 2008 1:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes an idiot.
For ranking a player who was having surgery and was a huge project as the 100th of his top 100th. Of course that’s just one of a hundred reasons I think Keith Law is an idiot. Actually, that goes for most people at ESPN.
Id say the problem with this site is snarky remarks, actually.
by alskor on Nov 9, 2008 2:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1) you realize that he doesnt work directly for espn, right?
2) maybe he thought that brackman had more of a chance to reach the big leagues than other ppl in the draft. its not like 100 is high
3) its not like brackman is a bust…far from it. heres my question, if he hadnt needed TJ surgery and had been pitching like this would klaw still be an idiot?
if anything the yankees were “idiots” for taking him so early + giving him a ML deal (IIRC)
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by knockoutking on Nov 9, 2008 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, no
obviously if he didnt need TJ Law wouldnt be an “idiot,” but I would still think it was a poor choice for a top 100 list. Kid is a major project. Its the sort of #100 pick that you see on community lists from sites like this. Its a “I dont have anybody high end left, so lets throw in Brackman” pick. It was hilarious, really. Ive never liked Law though, so maybe you’re asking the wrong guy. I regularly trash him.
Second, ESPN owns Scouts, Inc… and his work appears on ESPN.com.
by alskor on Nov 9, 2008 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dude
you’ve apparently NEVER EVEN SEEN THE GUY PITCH and you are critiquing what someone else, who has worked in an MLB front office and seen the guy pitch, says on him?
That makes NO sense.
Because what you’ve heard about the guy doesn’t match up with what Law says about him LAW is an idiot? How does that remotely make sense?
Why not just take Law’s opinion into consideration along with everything else you’ve heard, so as to have the best possible picture painted in your head?
by nms on Nov 9, 2008 7:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ive disagreed with him many times in the past.
Perhaps you should take what I AM SAYING into consideration along with everything else you’ve heard, so as to have the best possible picture painted in your head.
by alskor on Nov 9, 2008 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but what is your opinion based on
nothing. You’ve never seen the guy pitch.
Your opinion is based only what you’ve heard and maybe some college stats.
Isn’t it alot more productive to look at the original sources?
by nms on Nov 9, 2008 10:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Keith Law
Has almost certainly never seen this guy pitch.
by alskor on Nov 9, 2008 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and
even if he did, its was probably once. If you think that qualifies him as an expert on Andrew Brackman, I have to disagree. Im trusting other people who havent seen him pitch and whose opinions I dont regularly find moronic.
by alskor on Nov 9, 2008 11:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well then
If you, never seeing a guy play, form an opinion based on the uninformed opinions of others who have never seen a guy play where on earth do the opinions ultimately come from then? thin air?
by nms on Nov 10, 2008 12:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ask Keith Law
He’s doing pretty much the same thing. For the life of me I have no idea why youre being such a d*** about this, but Im not blinking first. Lots of people dislike Law and his opinions. Perhaps I was a little harsh calling him an “idiot” but Im not a journalist, just a poster, and I can say things like that and most people would just take them (correctly) to mean that “I disagree with Keith Law on Andrew Brackman.”
Instead, youve made it into a thing about having seen the guy pitch – which, again, Keith Law almost certainly hasnt seem him pitch. I understand what youre saying, and certainly Keith Law is more qualified than I am, but its not because he’s seen more guys pitch. I mean, Brackman has made 7 pro appearances in his career and they all occured in the last couple weeks in the Hawaiian League. I guess Keith Law may have been in attendance, but the odds seem against it. The odds also seem against him having seen Brackman at NC State. Finally, even if Law has seen Brackman, he certainly hasnt seen him enough times to register a valid opinion on him.
Its also funny that youre defending Keith Law on the matter of him having seen players play – when Keith Law is mostly known for being excluded from the BBWAA because he doesnt see enough games live in a season. Ive always thought this was stupid and defended Law on that count, but I find it quite amusing that someone is defending his professional opinion on those grounds.
My opinions, fyi, come from writers I respect more than Law (as I said 100 times already). Goldstein, Callis, Sickels. I trust BP and Mr. Sickels the most by far. Also from articles and lesser known writers. Also from statistical analysis. Ive never been a Law fan. If youve noticed Im first in line to rip him on this site when his top 100 comes out – and for more than just Brackman. He has too much Peter Gammons in him for me, as again evidenced by the Brackman pick. If youll notice, the ONLY top 100 list Brackman made was Law’s – and his inclusion was widely criticized. So its not like Im way off base here anyway. Law was the only analyst/writer who ranked Brackman that high, and I thought then and still think it was a bad choice – and Im hardly alone in that.
Lots of guys work for MLB front offices. Lots of guys work as analysts. They dont all agree on players. Nor is every Top Prospect List the same. My opinion is a valid one just as Keith Law’s is – regardless of the fact NEITHER of us have seen Brackman pitch enough to add to the discussion. Nevermind that my opinion is in large part based on the opinions of most every other scout/writer/analyst besides Law -a good amount of whom saw the draft pick of Brackman as a mistake and who see him as a longshot who doesnt belong anywhere near a top 100 list outside of Yankee fan sites.
If you have something substantial to discuss regarding Brackman and his merits we can continue this discussion – but if you want to just keep p***ing on my opinion because I “havent seen Brackman pitch” we have nothing more to discuss and you dont have a point. Ive already listed what I feel devalues Brackman as a prospect (project, mechanics, delivery, health, secondary stuff, etc..). See above. I would also wager Keith Law would agree with most of what Ive said above – from his comments he just apparantly feels Brackman’s upside is high enough to merit including him over some lower upside/better projection guy at #100. I disagree pretty strongly and had a long list of guys I would have had above Brackman. See above.
by alskor on Nov 10, 2008 1:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this
“. Perhaps I was a little harsh calling him an "idiot" but Im not a journalist, just a poster, and I can say things like that and most people would just take them (correctly) to mean that "I disagree with Keith Law on Andrew Brackman."”
Is the single, most mind-blowingly stupid and rude thing I have ever read.
Yes, you aren’t some fancy “journalist”, so why on earth try to maintain any sense of decorum! Just go ahead and sling crap around.
If you mean “I disagree” why on earth not just say “I disagree” rather than “so-n-so, who I disagree with, is an idiot”? How does doing otherwise remotely make sense?
How does calling a professional in his field an idiot an ANY way advance any silly point you were trying to make?
by nms on Nov 10, 2008 7:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so...
you say…
"Ive already listed what I feel devalues Brackman as a prospect (project, mechanics, delivery, health, secondary stuff, etc..). "
But how on earth do you have any idea about his mechanics and delivery AT ALL?
The guys you “respect” are getting their info from the same places as Law (pro scouts plus their own observations), so basically you’re calling a guy an idiot for making the cardinal sin of disagree with the people you are predisposed to liking.
And the guys you like wouldn’t qualify for BBWAA admission for the same reason as Law anyway.
You’re completely full of it, and this site has become such a drag to read lately for reasons like this.
People, who have never even seen the guys that they are pontificating on with such confidence, act as if they know things they aren’t even close to knowing.
How can you say anything about a guys mechanics if you have never seen him?
At most you can say, “I’ve heard his mechanics are iffy.” But that isn’t any kind of statement, as there is surely someone who can say they have “heard” the opposite. There is no exchange of real information in that!
by nms on Nov 10, 2008 7:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You
are twice as big an idiot as Law and twice as rude as you claim other people are. Youre a piece of work, pal.
Maybe you should find yourself another website if you have such a problem with this one.
by alskor on Nov 10, 2008 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I expect an apology
when Brackman’s “career” never amounts to anything and Keith Law is fired for incompetence.
Keith Law: Idiot.
by alskor on Nov 10, 2008 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think you are
overplaying this “bundle of red flags”
whats wrong with his delivery/mechanics? just because carlos gomez doesnt like tall/fall guys doesnt mean there’s anything wrong with them
as for his secondary stuff, he has a plus curve, but he needs to work on his change, which goes for just about every pitching prospect in the minors.
by skiinginNJ on Nov 10, 2008 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Alright...
I don’t get it. Are you saying that he’s nothing really special? Just like how Clay Bucholz is better than Joba Chamberlain for a long and tedious reason of injury?
Just sayin’ , is all
by McLoving on Nov 8, 2008 7:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A lost year but still plenty of upside
I don’t have a problem with Brackman third on the Yankees list since Hagadone was in the same spot on the Red Sox top ten. The knock on Brackman is he’s all tools and lagging in performance. For example, he didn’t exactly have Maddux-like control at NC State therefore I don’t think you can chalk a lack of command completely to being rusty . Regardless, he’s a year behind in harnessing those tools, but still has great potential.
by mg050369 on Nov 8, 2008 9:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
FYI
Keith Law recently declared Chase Utley the best player in baseball. The man is grossly incompetent. It was in a chat on 11-06-08.
Keith Law: Idiot.
by alskor on Nov 11, 2008 2:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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