Community Prospect List: #33

by King Billy Royal on Nov 4, 2008 8:20 PM EST Comment 57 comments

After 266 votes Michael Stanton has been declared the winner with 22% of the votes. Matt Gamel came in second with 14%. Austin Jackson will be removed from the poll as he received less then 5%. Carlos Triunfel and Jeremy Hellickson will be added to the poll. If you wish to vote other just list the person below. This way we're not wasting a spot.

1. MATT WIETERS - C (Baltimore)
2. DAVID PRICE - SP (Tampa Bay)
3. JASON HEYWARD - OF (Atlanta)
4. TRAVIS SNIDER - OF (Toronto)
5. MADISON BUMGARNER - SP (San Francisco)
6. COLBY RASMUS - OF (St. Louis)
7. CAMERON MAYBIN - OF (Florida)
8. TREVOR CAHILL - SP (Oakland)
9. NEFTALI FELIZ - SP (Texas)
10. MATT LAPORTA - 1B/OF/DH (Cleveland)
11. MIKE MOUSTAKAS - 3B (Kansas City)
12. TIM ALDERSON - SP (San Francisco)
13. PEDRO ALVAREZ - 3B (Pittsburgh)
14. RICK PORCELLO - SP (Detroit)
15. DEXTER FOWLER - OF (Colorado)
16. BRETT ANDERSON - SP (Oakland)*
17. DEREK HOLLAND - SP (Texas)
18. ANDREW McCUTCHEN - OF (Pittsburgh)
19. BUSTER POSEY - C (San Francisco)
20. CHRIS TILLMAN - SP (Baltimore)
21. LARS ANDERSON - 1B (Boston)
22. JUSTIN SMOAK - 1B (Texas)
23. THOMAS HANSON - SP (Atlanta)
24. ELVIS ANDRUS - SS (Texas)
25. ANGEL VILLALONA - 1B (San Francisco)
26. JHOULYS CHACIN - SP (Colorado)
27. BRIAN MATUSZ - SP (Baltimore)

28. ERIC HOSMER - 1B (Kansas City)

29. TIM BECKHAM - SS (Tampa)

30. MAX RAMIREZ - C/1B (Texas)

31. JARROD PARKER - SP (Arizona)

32. MICHAEL STANTON - OF (Florida)

CANDIDATES - Fernando Martinez, Freddie Freeman, Josh Vitters, Jesus Montero, Brett Wallace, Mat Gamel, Wade Davis, Jordan Schafer, Jeremy Hellickson, Carlos Triunfel

TESTERS - Greg Halman, Michael Saunders, Gordon Beckham, Ben Revere, Matt Dominguez, James McDonald, Michael Bowden, Yonder Alonso, Austin Jackson, Philippe Aumont, Carlos Santana, Logan Morrison, Alcides Escobar, Wilmer Flores, Brett Cecil, Chris Carter

Please post more ideas for testers and we will consider them

Poll

Who is the #33 Community Prospect?

Carlos Triunfel

24 votes

Jeremy Hellickson

12 votes

Jesus Montero

53 votes

Freddie Freeman

34 votes

Matt Gamel

54 votes

Josh Vitters

28 votes

Brett Wallace

39 votes

Fernando Martinez

34 votes

Jordan Schafer

29 votes

Wade Davis

22 votes

329 votes | Poll has closed

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voted schafer

in order from most to least, of who i’m sure can flat rake at the major league level:

wallace
gamel
montero
schafer
freeman
martinez
vitters
triunfel

When they should be sacrifice bunting, they are buying effeminate designer jeans. When they should be fouling off pitches, they are masturbating. Always, they are masturbating.

by variablesdont on Nov 4, 2008 8:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

+1

Two Braves on the list both are taking votes away from one another.

by Jay212033 on Nov 5, 2008 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If Braves are taking away from each other

Then people are voting for the wrong reason.

by aap212 on Nov 5, 2008 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Nov 5, 2008 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Vote Montero!!!!!

It is time for Jesus to get on the list. He had an unbelievable season as an 18 year old in full season ball. Here are some numbers to support him taking the #33 spot:

.326 AVG
.491 SLG
.867 OPS
17 HR

Scouts rave about his swing and believe that his bat will play at either 1B, OF, or DH down the line. John Sickels stated:

“He is still just 18, and hitting like this in a full-season league is an excellent marker at that age.”

Kevin Goldstein loves his bat saying “Wonderful offensive prospect who projects to hit for average and power. " When asked if scouts believe that Montero’s power is an 80 on the scouting scale he said "By some, absolutely. It’s monster power.”

It is time to end the insanity and put Jesus on the list.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Nov 4, 2008 8:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

+1

I don’t get how Villalona gets here above Stanton and Montero too, btw.

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by hallofamer2000 on Nov 4, 2008 10:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

because of ballot stuffing

by LCT on Nov 5, 2008 10:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It's just funny

The idea of ballot stuffing is so dumb. It’s like Giants (or insert other team) fans believe that if they’re team’s prospect is ranked higher, then they’ll actually be better.

The Dodgers won't win a playoff series until the Cool-a-Coo returns.

by mckeeno on Nov 5, 2008 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

+1 and -1

I voted Montero here. Totally agree with the Villalona comment, as I actually have Montero rated higher than Angel. But Stanton and Montero are pretty equal in my eyes, with Stanton slightly ahead due to that massive power display last year. Gotta love Monero’s bat though.

Wallace is next in my eyes, after Montero. He’s another guy that can flat out rake.

by guru4u on Nov 5, 2008 10:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

went w/ montero

I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?

by the pinstripes on Nov 5, 2008 10:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Testers Idea

because the vote is so wide spread now among the candidates and the list of testers so long, is it possible to bump the needed % to go onto the next poll to 8-10%?

by MightyMoose on Nov 4, 2008 8:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

We are leaving it at 5%

We are trying to maintain a level of consistency throughout the polling process. While not always possible we are doing our best and therefore it will be kept at 5%. We added an extra player in the polling option already in an effort to get more testers on. Usually 3-4 testers are added each poll so it shouldn’t be long before everyone currently on the list gets a chance in the polling.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Nov 4, 2008 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

its not a question of not doing your best

i’m not sure where that comes from? It wasn’t a criticism. I was just saying based on how widespread the vote is now becoming and the testers aren’t really being given the same consideration as those that keep advancing with 5-6%, i just thought it might be a good idea to up the % required for candidates to go on to the next poll. Therefore more opportunities are given to the other testers, that’s all.

Keep up the good work.

by MightyMoose on Nov 4, 2008 8:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I didn't think you were criticizing

Trust me when I say I wasn’t at all offended by your post.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Nov 4, 2008 8:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

KRB

good bro. certainly didn’t mean to come across as complaining.

by MightyMoose on Nov 4, 2008 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Other - Logan Morrison

followed by Freeman, Montero and Wallace (though a case can be made for all those guys now, I think)

Morrison was 3-5 today with another HR, Double and 3 Rbi’s pushing his AFL line to:

Team League Avg. G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG OPS
.452 15 62 13 28 5 2 4 19 49 0 9 1 0 .452 .790 1.242

by MightyMoose on Nov 4, 2008 8:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

+1

morrison should of been on the poll for atleast the last 3 picks

by tulolince on Nov 4, 2008 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't get the lack of love for Morrison

Every time he gets on the poll he gets his butt kicked. He seems to have a lot of supporters in the comments section but it never seems to translate to votes.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Nov 4, 2008 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I vote Morrison

I think we got a little pitcher happy, low A guys with mid 3 eras over Morrison. I betcha John gives him an A-. Low 20s, 21-22 is about where he belongs.

by wobatus on Nov 4, 2008 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

morrison

been asking for him up there for a good while too he has been a stud playing in a killer set of pitchers parks in the FSL

by Fishfan79 on Nov 5, 2008 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Morrison

He has been put on the poll 4 times, as recently as #29, and he can’t garner the 5% to stay on the ballot. I think he is a great prospect but I guess the community doesn’t feel that hignly on him.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Nov 5, 2008 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Carlos Santana

once again

by JP_Frost on Nov 4, 2008 8:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I like him too

I would vote Morrison and santana over alderson, alvarez, smoak, andrus, villalona, matusz, hosmer, beckham, maxram, and maybe Anderson Lars and Brett, Snider, Tillman, McCucthen. Some of them may end up better but haven’t shown enough yet.

I must admit I don’t know ,uch about what the scouts say, but having Jarrod Parker beat these guys out is very surprising to me. Nice k-bb, but not especially stunning midwest league line to me. He seems like he could be quite good, but I definitely need to see more at higher levels. Not like he dominated.

by wobatus on Nov 4, 2008 10:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

The 2008 Rogelio Moret League Fantasy Baseball Champions!

by The Congo Hammer on Nov 5, 2008 9:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

by slamcactus on Nov 5, 2008 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Freeman

.316, .378, .521, .899, 33 2Bs, 18 HRs, 46/84 BB/K

VERY impressive for an 18 year old in Low A.

Heyward definitely benefited from having Freeman has protection all season long.

Now raise your goblet of rock. It's a toast to those who rock!

by Dewey Finn on Nov 4, 2008 9:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

-1

did you take a look at Freeman post heyward promotion?

.130/.167/.174 (3-for-23)

if anything i think Freeman benefitted from heyward batting infront of him

by PHGold09 on Nov 5, 2008 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

-1 again

Line-up protection is more myth than anything else.

by slurve on Nov 5, 2008 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Bingo

If you read “The Baseball Economist” it proves that lineup protection is definitely a myth.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Nov 5, 2008 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

23 at-bats?

A tad early, no?

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by OldProspects on Nov 5, 2008 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Wallace

The bat is there right now.

by matt0177 on Nov 4, 2008 9:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

so is the ass

per Sickels.

by wobatus on Nov 4, 2008 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Amazing

21 year old AA pitcher of the year at with 90-94 MPH biting sinker and 4 quality pitches does not even sniff top 50.

by david.aaron on Nov 4, 2008 9:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Vince Mazzaro??

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Nov 4, 2008 9:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Jordan Schafer would be on this list already if it wasn't for the HGH thing

so, for those of you who haven’t got the memo: HGH does not improve player performance in baseball. (If anything, it worsens it in the short term.) All it does is help you recover faster from injuries.

Schafer’s numbers are legit and his defensive skills make him much preferable in the abstract to the array of DH-in-waiting types.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Nov 4, 2008 9:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

How is Michael Main not even considered on here?

Check out some results and videos. The kid is damn good. Not to mention if pitching were to fail, he was touted as a plus outfielder.

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by NYTXFAN on Nov 4, 2008 10:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Yonder Alonso

.312/.418/.519 in the Hawaiian Winter League currently.

www.redsminorleagues.com

by dougdirt on Nov 4, 2008 10:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

todd frazier

.310/.371/.595 in the HWL, as well.

When they should be sacrifice bunting, they are buying effeminate designer jeans. When they should be fouling off pitches, they are masturbating. Always, they are masturbating.

by variablesdont on Nov 4, 2008 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You can't use the HWL or AFL as a main argument

Or you can, but it’s not a very strong argument.

by aap212 on Nov 4, 2008 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I like your first statement more...

Winter league stats are garbage.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Nov 4, 2008 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Rey Ordoñez once win a batting title in the Winter leagues

how about that?

by LCT on Nov 5, 2008 10:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Really?

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Nov 5, 2008 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i control todd frazier in my sim league, so i just wanted to point out that he's still alive and well.

i think he can flat hit, and i think he’s gonna prove it in AA next year.

When they should be sacrifice bunting, they are buying effeminate designer jeans. When they should be fouling off pitches, they are masturbating. Always, they are masturbating.

by variablesdont on Nov 5, 2008 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Kyler Burke last year

333/.402/.483 in HWL

not a good measure

by uwbadger on Nov 4, 2008 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

u can use caribbean stats

andrus .311/.304, 2 caught stealing, no steals

escobar even worse, .232/.235

No, I know it’s meaningless. Kinda.

by wobatus on Nov 4, 2008 11:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Still waiting for Morrison to be on the ballot...

Never, Never, NEVER give up

by hero66 on Nov 4, 2008 11:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

He has been on the ballots plenty of times....

The problem is that he is unable to get 5% to stay on the ballot. I am a big Morrison fan but if he doesn’t get 5% he goes off like everyone else. The last time that Morrison was on the ballot was #29 which is only 3 spots ago since we didn’t do a poll for #30 so you really haven’t been waiting that long.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Nov 5, 2008 12:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ah

I missed poll 29. Wasnt here. My fault.

Never, Never, NEVER give up

by hero66 on Nov 5, 2008 12:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Also

He was on at #29, #26, #21, and #18.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Nov 5, 2008 12:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Other

Michael Bowden

by whonichol on Nov 5, 2008 12:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Vitters

then Schafer and Freeman. Vitters is one year removed from being considered by some to be the best bat in the draft, and hasn’t done anything but succeed in the low minors…it’s a no brainer at this point

by PrincetonCubs on Nov 5, 2008 1:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Not sure about that

I like Vitters too, but he struggled mightily 2 years ago. Last year was a bit of a redemption year for him, but I wouldn’t go saying that he has “done nothing but succeed” so far. He failed in 2007.

There are a few more hitters like Montero and Wallace that I like more than Vitters right now, but I can totally see Vitters going around #40 or so.

by guru4u on Nov 5, 2008 10:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

More to the point, what he has done, besides succeed, is demonstrate a propensity for injuries

Perhaps he resembles Howie Kendrick in more ways than one might think.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Nov 5, 2008 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Struggled 2 years ago?

You gotta be kidding me. DBSSS. It was a whopping 51 AB’s as a 17 year old who was still feeling effects of pnuemonia from a few months prior. Stats in the lowest levels in the minors are worth squat to begin with – factor in it was 2 miniscule sample sizes at 2 different levels along with the illness and age and you’ve got perhaps the worst arguement against a player ever waged on this site.

by slurve on Nov 5, 2008 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Wasn't he taking the SATS two years ago?

Were his struggles with math or verbal?

by aap212 on Nov 5, 2008 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

READ SLURVE

Princeton said Vitters has “done nothing but succeed”. Albeit in a very small sample size, I would not place a .118/.164/.118 line under “success” – even if it was only 51 ABs.

Yes, Vitters had a nice 2008, but that was even against short-season competition.

by guru4u on Nov 6, 2008 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

2 years ago

he had just 51 abs after finishing high school. I don’t think that qualifies as a failure. last year, he hit very well. I think any propensity for injuries could likely be attributed to lingering weaknesses after recovering from pneumonia…hopefully this year, a full season in A/A+/maybe in AA will allow him to grow into his projection.

by PrincetonCubs on Nov 5, 2008 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs