Community Prospect List: #81
by King Billy Royal on Nov 30, 2008 7:05 PM EST
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PrintAfter 232 votes the winner of the poll is Martin Perez with 20% of the vote. Vincent Mazzaro, Beau Mills, Scott Elbert, and Todd Frazier will be removed from the poll as they failed to achieve at least 7% of the vote. Jeff Niemann, Nick Noonan, Julio Borbon, Chris Coghlan, and Aaron Poreda will be added to the poll. PLEASE NOTE THAT I HAVE INCREASED THE MINIMUM REQUIRED PERCENTAGE TO 7% TO REMAIN ON THE BALLOT.
1. MATT WIETERS - C (Baltimore)
2. DAVID PRICE - SP (Tampa Bay)
3. JASON HEYWARD - OF (Atlanta)
4. TRAVIS SNIDER - OF (Toronto)
5. MADISON BUMGARNER - SP (San Francisco)
6. COLBY RASMUS - OF (St. Louis)
7. CAMERON MAYBIN - OF (Florida)
8. TREVOR CAHILL - SP (Oakland)
9. NEFTALI FELIZ - SP (Texas)
10. MATT LAPORTA - 1B/OF/DH (Cleveland)
11. MIKE MOUSTAKAS - 3B (Kansas City)
12. TIM ALDERSON - SP (San Francisco)
13. PEDRO ALVAREZ - 3B (Pittsburgh)
14. RICK PORCELLO - SP (Detroit)
15. DEXTER FOWLER - OF (Colorado)
16. BRETT ANDERSON - SP (Oakland)*
17. DEREK HOLLAND - SP (Texas)
18. ANDREW McCUTCHEN - OF (Pittsburgh)
19. BUSTER POSEY - C (San Francisco)
20. CHRIS TILLMAN - SP (Baltimore)
21. LARS ANDERSON - 1B (Boston)
22. JUSTIN SMOAK - 1B (Texas)
23. THOMAS HANSON - SP (Atlanta)
24. ELVIS ANDRUS - SS (Texas)
25. ANGEL VILLALONA - 1B (San Francisco)
26. JHOULYS CHACIN - SP (Colorado)
27. BRIAN MATUSZ - SP (Baltimore)
28. ERIC HOSMER - 1B (Kansas City)
29. TIM BECKHAM - SS (Tampa Bay)
30. MAX RAMIREZ - C/1B (Texas)
31. JARROD PARKER - SP (Arizona)
32. MICHAEL STANTON - OF (Florida)
33. MAT GAMEL - 3B (Milwaukee)
34. JESUS MONTERO - C (New York-AL)
35. BRETT WALLACE - 3B (St. Louis)
36. JORDAN SCHAFER - OF (Atlanta)
37. WADE DAVIS - SP (Tampa Bay)
38. LOGAN MORRISON - 1B (Florida)
39. CARLOS SANTANA - C (Cleveland)
40. FERNANDO MARTINEZ - OF (New York-NL)
41. JAMES McDONALD - SP (Los Angeles-NL)
42. JEREMY HELLICKSON - SP (Tampa Bay)
43. JOSH VITTERS - 3B (Chicago-NL)
44. YONDER ALONSO - 1B (Cincinnati)
45. TAYLOR TEAGARDEN - C (Texas)
46. FREDDIE FREEMAN - 1B (Atlanta)
47. GORDON BECKHAM - SS (Chicago-AL)
48. BRETT CECIL - SP (Toronto)
49. ALCIDES ESCOBAR - SS (Milwaukee)
50. JORDAN ZIMMERMANN - SP (Washington)
51. CHRIS CARTER - 1B/DH (Oakland)
52. CARLOS TRIUNFEL - SS (Seattle)
53. AUSTIN JACKSON - OF (New York-AL)
54. BEN REVERE - OF (Minnesota)
55. MICHAEL BOWDEN - SP (Boston)
56. TYLER FLOWERS - C (Atlanta)
57. ADRIAN CARDENAS - SS (Oakland)
58. REID BRIGNAC - SS (Tampa Bay)
59. JAKE ARRIETA - SP (Baltimore)
60. JORDAN WALDEN - SP (Los Angeles-AL)
61. MICHAEL MAIN - SP (Texas)
62. WILMER FLORES - SS (New York-NL)
63. MATT DOMINGUEZ - 3B (Florida)
64. MICHAEL SAUNDERS - OF (Seattle)
65. DESMOND JENNINGS - OF (Tampa Bay)
66. CARLOS CARRASCO - SP (Philadelphia)
67. AARON CUNNINGHAM - OF (Oakland)
68. J.P. ARENCIBIA - C (Toronto)
69. GIO GONZALEZ - SP (Oakland)
70. PHILLIPPE AUMONT - SP (Seattle)
71. JEFF SAMARDZIJA - SP/RP (Chicago-NL)
72. MICHAEL INOA - SP (Oakland)
73. AARON HICKS - OF (Minnesota)
74. JEREMY JEFFRESS - SP (Milwaukee)
75. ANGEL SALOME - C (Milwaukee)
76. DANIEL CORTES - SP (Kansas City)
77. GREG HALMAN - OF (Seattle)
78. JACOB McGEE - SP/RP (Tampa)
79. KYLE BLANKS - 1B (San Diego)
80. MARTIN PEREZ - SP (Texas)
CANDIDATES - Jose Tabata, Gorkys Hernandez, Daryl Jones, Jason Donald, Nick Weglarz, Chris Perez, James Simmons, Jeff Niemann, Nick Noonan , Julio Borbon, Aaron Poreda, Chris Coghlan
TESTERS - David Cooper (76-2%), Michael Burgess (77-6), Neftali Soto (77-5), Christopher Marrero (77-3), and Adam Miller (77-5) , Dellin Betances (77-5), Kila Ka'aihue (77-5), Michael Taylor(77-1) and Andrew Lambo (77-2), Ivan DeJesus (79-4), Jonathan Niese (79-5), Matt Moore (79-2), Brad Holt (79-1), Todd Frazier (80-3), Beau Mills (80-4), Scott Elbert (80-2), Vincent Mazzaro (80-3)
NOTE: I have listed by each tester the last time they were on a poll and the percentage of votes they obtained. This should help us with selecting who should be placed back on the poll etc
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So how many times have you voted for Weglarz in the last couple days?
I guess the answer to Would You? is obviously yes.
+1
Good season, big ceiling, strong tools. I guarantee both BA & BP have him higher than this, for what that’s worth.
+1 "...for what that's worth."
i can answer that, almost EVERYTHING
by IHateMitchMustain on Nov 30, 2008 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
+1
i’ll take care of the morning poll. thanks kingbilly for holding down the fort.
I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?
by the pinstripes on Nov 30, 2008 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
Welgarz?
I understand the great OBP skills, but what else does he offer?
Re-tooling his swing
And developing his plate discipline in 08; in 07, he showed big power, and has super power upside (70 power potential?). I expect him to become Justin Morneau with more walks and with fringe-average (at best) defense in the OF.
From BA: “Weglarz has uncanny discipline for a player his age and size, rarely offering at pitches outside of the strike zone and showing the potential to draw 100 walks in a season. He generates excellent loft, bat speed and leverage with his swing and shows plus-plus power potential, giving him an outstanding combination of power and patience.”
Sounds a lot better than Jose Tabata...
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
really
morneau with more walks? if people actually thought he had that potential, he would be top ten. morneau is a perennial mvp candidate.
He shouldn't be
That he is is a sign that the MVP voters have utterly no idea what makes baseball players valuable. He was about 40 runs worse than Mauer this season, yet got more MVP votes.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
I could see Niemann
He’s a solid SP, nothing flashy, but a solid #3 or #4 innings eater. I voted Daryl Jones for the upside, but either Niemann or Poreda wouldn’t be a terrible choice here.
by David Tokarz on Nov 30, 2008 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
Donald
For me,the next ten, in order, are:
Donald,
Moore,
Frazier,
Betances,
Soto,
Holt,
Taylor,
Burgess,
Dejesus,
Borbon.
Although
I might switch Weglarz for Borbon.
by cookiedabookie on Nov 30, 2008 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
mazzaro why was he removed from this poll?
due to the low # in the previous one?
Read the top of the poll.
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Nov 30, 2008 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
Kellen Kulbacki
2005 – Fresh: .343/.392/.552
2006 – Soph: .464/.568/.943
2007 – Junior: .398/.538/.785
2007 – NWL (61 games): .301/.382/.491
2008 – MWL (18 games): .164/.260/.295
2008 – CAL (84 games): .332/.428/.589
Dude can flat out hit!
+1
I think Kulbacki should be added to the tester pool.
by byronlhsdrmr on Nov 30, 2008 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
Daryl Jones
It’s a shame he isn’t on yet. Definitely better than some of the OF prospects already on.
Now raise your goblet of rock. It's a toast to those who rock!
Donald/Jones
I went Donald this poll, but voted for Jones once and I think he would be my next vote.
Poreda/Simmons
I voted for Donald, but I am surprised the vote for Simmons is 3-1 over Poreda. I actually prefer Poreda.
why simmons over Poreda?
I’d like to see this case laid out.
Same league, same age. Poreda gave up fewer hits and homers per 9, his k rate was slightly lower but above 7, k-bb also just slightly lower, slightly higher groundball rate. Plus he’s lefty. They are close, but I’d say Poreda has been slightly better. And he was one draft spot ahead of Simmons (gives one an idea how close they are).
Being a lefty doesn't matter for SP
Fewer hits pretty much never matters for anyone— if a guy is elite, he’ll have the K/9 and K/BB to back it up. If not, it’s probably just luck.
And many of Poreda’s stats were compiled in a weaker league.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
poreda
was better in the same league. And I think such a large discrepancy in hits per 9 matters. The homer rate certainly does.
They didn't pitch
in the same league. Poreda pitched in Carolina and Southern Leagues, both pitcher’s leagues. Simmons spent the whole year in the Texas League, a hitter’s league. While the numbers are very similar, Simmons posting them in the tougher league puts him ahead for me. Poreda is the next pitcher for me after Simmons, and I’d have both of them on already if it was me. There are at least 5 pitchers on the list that I have behind both of these guys, some very far behind them.
"So's your mom"-David Sloane
agree and Disagree
Your argument for Simmons is exactly right….
Disagree on them belonging on the list at this point and the top 100 is questionable.
+3Skipworth, Castro and Bryan Anderson are the best catchers available at this point
plus Ivan de Jesus Jr
by LCT on Dec 1, 2008 7:38 AM EST up reply actions
I think it's about time for Jason Donald
Passable shortstop on defense and his bat is likely to play above average.
Perez v. Borbon
They are so very different, position, eta, ceiling, likelihood of at least being an average regular, which are all things I look at, all very, different. Personally I would go with the bird in the hand in Borbon a little before Perez but it is very much a matter of taste.
Agreed
and while I’m no great fan of Borbon, I can’t for the life of me see how anyone could vote Nick Noonan or Tabata over him.
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