Community Prospect List: #81

by King Billy Royal on Nov 30, 2008 7:05 PM EST Comment 54 comments

After 232 votes the winner of the poll is Martin Perez with 20% of the vote. Vincent Mazzaro, Beau Mills, Scott Elbert, and Todd Frazier will be removed from the poll as they failed to achieve at least 7% of the vote. Jeff Niemann, Nick Noonan, Julio Borbon, Chris Coghlan, and Aaron Poreda will be added to the poll. PLEASE NOTE THAT I HAVE INCREASED THE MINIMUM REQUIRED PERCENTAGE TO 7% TO REMAIN ON THE BALLOT.

1. MATT WIETERS - C (Baltimore)
2. DAVID PRICE - SP (Tampa Bay)
3. JASON HEYWARD - OF (Atlanta)
4. TRAVIS SNIDER - OF (Toronto)
5. MADISON BUMGARNER - SP (San Francisco)
6. COLBY RASMUS - OF (St. Louis)
7. CAMERON MAYBIN - OF (Florida)
8. TREVOR CAHILL - SP (Oakland)
9. NEFTALI FELIZ - SP (Texas)
10. MATT LAPORTA - 1B/OF/DH (Cleveland)
11. MIKE MOUSTAKAS - 3B (Kansas City)
12. TIM ALDERSON - SP (San Francisco)
13. PEDRO ALVAREZ - 3B (Pittsburgh)
14. RICK PORCELLO - SP (Detroit)
15. DEXTER FOWLER - OF (Colorado)
16. BRETT ANDERSON - SP (Oakland)*
17. DEREK HOLLAND - SP (Texas)
18. ANDREW McCUTCHEN - OF (Pittsburgh)
19. BUSTER POSEY - C (San Francisco)
20. CHRIS TILLMAN - SP (Baltimore)
21. LARS ANDERSON - 1B (Boston)
22. JUSTIN SMOAK - 1B (Texas)
23. THOMAS HANSON - SP (Atlanta)
24. ELVIS ANDRUS - SS (Texas)
25. ANGEL VILLALONA - 1B (San Francisco)
26. JHOULYS CHACIN - SP (Colorado)
27. BRIAN MATUSZ - SP (Baltimore)
28. ERIC HOSMER - 1B (Kansas City)
29. TIM BECKHAM - SS (Tampa Bay)
30. MAX RAMIREZ - C/1B (Texas)
31. JARROD PARKER - SP (Arizona)
32. MICHAEL STANTON - OF (Florida)
33. MAT GAMEL - 3B (Milwaukee)
34. JESUS MONTERO - C (New York-AL)
35. BRETT WALLACE - 3B (St. Louis)
36. JORDAN SCHAFER - OF (Atlanta)
37. WADE DAVIS - SP (Tampa Bay)
38. LOGAN MORRISON - 1B (Florida)
39. CARLOS SANTANA - C (Cleveland)
40. FERNANDO MARTINEZ - OF (New York-NL)
41. JAMES McDONALD - SP (Los Angeles-NL)
42. JEREMY HELLICKSON - SP (Tampa Bay)
43. JOSH VITTERS - 3B (Chicago-NL)
44. YONDER ALONSO - 1B (Cincinnati)
45. TAYLOR TEAGARDEN - C (Texas)
46. FREDDIE FREEMAN - 1B (Atlanta)
47. GORDON BECKHAM - SS (Chicago-AL)
48. BRETT CECIL - SP (Toronto)
49. ALCIDES ESCOBAR - SS (Milwaukee)
50. JORDAN ZIMMERMANN - SP (Washington)

51. CHRIS CARTER - 1B/DH (Oakland)
52. CARLOS TRIUNFEL - SS (Seattle)
53. AUSTIN JACKSON - OF (New York-AL)
54. BEN REVERE - OF (Minnesota)
55. MICHAEL BOWDEN - SP (Boston)
56. TYLER FLOWERS - C (Atlanta)
57. ADRIAN CARDENAS - SS (Oakland)
58. REID BRIGNAC - SS (Tampa Bay)
59. JAKE ARRIETA - SP (Baltimore)
60. JORDAN WALDEN - SP (Los Angeles-AL)
61. MICHAEL MAIN - SP (Texas)
62. WILMER FLORES - SS (New York-NL)
63. MATT DOMINGUEZ - 3B (Florida)
64. MICHAEL SAUNDERS - OF (Seattle)
65. DESMOND JENNINGS - OF (Tampa Bay)
66. CARLOS CARRASCO - SP (Philadelphia)
67. AARON CUNNINGHAM - OF (Oakland)
68. J.P. ARENCIBIA - C (Toronto)
69. GIO GONZALEZ - SP (Oakland)
70. PHILLIPPE AUMONT - SP (Seattle)
71. JEFF SAMARDZIJA - SP/RP (Chicago-NL)
72. MICHAEL INOA - SP (Oakland)
73. AARON HICKS - OF (Minnesota)

74. JEREMY JEFFRESS - SP (Milwaukee)

75. ANGEL SALOME - C (Milwaukee)

76. DANIEL CORTES - SP (Kansas City)

77. GREG HALMAN - OF (Seattle)

78. JACOB McGEE - SP/RP (Tampa)

79. KYLE BLANKS - 1B (San Diego)

80. MARTIN PEREZ - SP (Texas)

CANDIDATES - Jose Tabata, Gorkys Hernandez, Daryl Jones, Jason Donald, Nick Weglarz, Chris Perez, James Simmons, Jeff Niemann, Nick Noonan , Julio Borbon, Aaron Poreda, Chris Coghlan

TESTERS - David Cooper (76-2%), Michael Burgess (77-6), Neftali Soto (77-5), Christopher Marrero (77-3), and Adam Miller (77-5) , Dellin Betances (77-5), Kila Ka'aihue (77-5), Michael Taylor(77-1) and Andrew Lambo (77-2), Ivan DeJesus (79-4), Jonathan Niese (79-5), Matt Moore (79-2), Brad Holt (79-1), Todd Frazier (80-3), Beau Mills (80-4), Scott Elbert (80-2), Vincent Mazzaro (80-3)

NOTE: I have listed by each tester the last time they were on a poll and the percentage of votes they obtained. This should help us with selecting who should be placed back on the poll etc

Poll

Who is Community Prospect #81?

Jose Tabata

54 votes

Gorkys Hernandez

41 votes

Daryl Jones

29 votes

Jason Donald

28 votes

Nick Weglarz

41 votes

Chris Perez

20 votes

James Simmons

45 votes

Jeff Niemann

9 votes

Nick Noonan

41 votes

Julio Borbon

49 votes

Aaron Poreda

24 votes

Chris Coghlan

13 votes

394 votes | Poll has closed

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Weglarz!

come on…

by daveh33 on Nov 30, 2008 7:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

+1

by spoondoggie on Nov 30, 2008 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

So how many times have you voted for Weglarz in the last couple days?

I guess the answer to Would You? is obviously yes.

by LBDirtbags on Dec 1, 2008 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

Good season, big ceiling, strong tools. I guarantee both BA & BP have him higher than this, for what that’s worth.

by gogotabata on Nov 30, 2008 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

+1 "...for what that's worth."

i can answer that, almost EVERYTHING

by IHateMitchMustain on Nov 30, 2008 11:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

i’ll take care of the morning poll. thanks kingbilly for holding down the fort.

I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?

by the pinstripes on Nov 30, 2008 8:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Chris Perez

Weglarz
Poreda
Donald
Jones
Simmons
Tabata

by slurve on Nov 30, 2008 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

Go Pirates!!!

by cool hand Charlie on Nov 30, 2008 11:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

As soon as Simmons is on

by alskor on Nov 30, 2008 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Welgarz?

I understand the great OBP skills, but what else does he offer?

by Take3 on Nov 30, 2008 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Re-tooling his swing

And developing his plate discipline in 08; in 07, he showed big power, and has super power upside (70 power potential?). I expect him to become Justin Morneau with more walks and with fringe-average (at best) defense in the OF.

From BA: “Weglarz has uncanny discipline for a player his age and size, rarely offering at pitches outside of the strike zone and showing the potential to draw 100 walks in a season. He generates excellent loft, bat speed and leverage with his swing and shows plus-plus power potential, giving him an outstanding combination of power and patience.”

by gogotabata on Nov 30, 2008 10:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Sounds a lot better than Jose Tabata...

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Nov 30, 2008 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

really

morneau with more walks? if people actually thought he had that potential, he would be top ten. morneau is a perennial mvp candidate.

by zeisenbe on Dec 1, 2008 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He shouldn't be

That he is is a sign that the MVP voters have utterly no idea what makes baseball players valuable. He was about 40 runs worse than Mauer this season, yet got more MVP votes.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Dec 1, 2008 12:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Niemann

seems about time

by AndrewTorrez on Nov 30, 2008 7:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I could see Niemann

He’s a solid SP, nothing flashy, but a solid #3 or #4 innings eater. I voted Daryl Jones for the upside, but either Niemann or Poreda wouldn’t be a terrible choice here.

by demondeaconsbaseball on Nov 30, 2008 8:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

GO

TABATA!!!

by joegonzo on Nov 30, 2008 7:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Neftali Soto

Still gotta go with the Puerto Rican slugger.

www.redsminorleagues.com

by dougdirt on Nov 30, 2008 7:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

You mean

Reds Slugger;)

by killa on Nov 30, 2008 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Donald

For me,the next ten, in order, are:
Donald,
Moore,
Frazier,
Betances,
Soto,
Holt,
Taylor,
Burgess,
Dejesus,
Borbon.

by cookiedabookie on Nov 30, 2008 8:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Although

I might switch Weglarz for Borbon.

by cookiedabookie on Nov 30, 2008 8:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

haha, you forgot poreda

by Craig Grebeck on Dec 1, 2008 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

jason donald

dude can flat hit. he’s got the inside track at starting on opening day for the world fucking champions.

he’s gotta get on at some point.

When they should be sacrifice bunting, they are buying effeminate designer jeans. When they should be fouling off pitches, they are masturbating. Always, they are masturbating.

by variablesdont on Nov 30, 2008 8:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

question

What position do you see him playing on the Phillies next year? I like him, but he is blocked at SS and 2B since Utley and Rollins aren’t going anywhere. Utley’s injury might create an opening, but I think the Phils would be best served usings an veteran utility player at second until Chase comes back.

I am not sure if he has been playing at 3B that much this past year, but if Donald could slide to 3B with average defense it might be the best fit for the team. What do you think?

Slowey is a control freak, and I like it!!

by melonhead202 on Nov 30, 2008 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Utley

He might be out until June, so Donald could go in there

--Pablo Zevallos of yankeesfuture.wordpress.com

by Pablo Zevallos on Nov 30, 2008 9:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

utley is out. feliz is hurting, but beyond that, he's not very good

Utley had an arthroscopic debridement of his labrum and a bony lesion that was present. Kelly reported the surgery went well and the findings yesterday were consistent with the diagnostic studies performed prior to surgery. It is anticipated that he will have a four to six month recovery period as previously described.

Third baseman Pedro Feliz had a lumbar discectomy performed on November 20 by Dr. Robert Watkins in Los Angeles and the procedure went well. The discectomy was performed on the L4-5 disc and Feliz will return home to complete his rehabilitation program, which is expected to require eight to 12 weeks.

linkage

so, basically, donald is the only middle infielder of consequence above low A for the phillies. the starting 2Bman is out for 6 months, and the best alternate option hit .217/.297/.297 in the majors last year in what was considered a successful season.

the way i see it, donald is the only option other than rushing one of the best players in the league back from surgery in a year when the need to win now has been sated.

the thing is, donald is a hell of a player, and once he gets his foot in the door, he’s not gonna let it go easily. he gon hit.

When they should be sacrifice bunting, they are buying effeminate designer jeans. When they should be fouling off pitches, they are masturbating. Always, they are masturbating.

by variablesdont on Nov 30, 2008 9:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Feliz is the most underrated league-average player in baseball

The guy can’t hit for shit, but people haven’t seemed to pick up on the fact that he’s an amazing defender at third base. Or was, at least. I suppose the back problems might slow him down a bit.

He’s Joe Crede’s non-gritty-white-guy, Caribbean-hacking-at-slop twin.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Dec 1, 2008 12:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Feliz is the most frustrating player

Some days I love him, some days I just shake my head in disgust. Totally agree about his D, he has one of the best arms from 3rd base around, every single throw is a perfect chest high rope to first base.

by Southwest on Dec 1, 2008 4:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

mazzaro why was he removed from this poll?

due to the low # in the previous one?

by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 30, 2008 9:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Read the top of the poll.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Nov 30, 2008 9:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Kellen Kulbacki

2005 – Fresh: .343/.392/.552
2006 – Soph: .464/.568/.943
2007 – Junior: .398/.538/.785
2007 – NWL (61 games): .301/.382/.491
2008 – MWL (18 games): .164/.260/.295
2008 – CAL (84 games): .332/.428/.589

Dude can flat out hit!

by pffriberg on Nov 30, 2008 9:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

+1

I think Kulbacki should be added to the tester pool.

by byronlhsdrmr on Nov 30, 2008 11:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

honestly though

borbon should have been on here b4 perez

by blalock84 on Nov 30, 2008 9:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Daryl Jones

It’s a shame he isn’t on yet. Definitely better than some of the OF prospects already on.

Now raise your goblet of rock. It's a toast to those who rock!

by Dewey Finn on Nov 30, 2008 10:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Donald/Jones

I went Donald this poll, but voted for Jones once and I think he would be my next vote.

by wobatus on Nov 30, 2008 10:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

I’ve been trumpeting this guy like yourself Dewey for quite a while. Weglarz is next for me. after Jones.

by guru4u on Nov 30, 2008 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Poreda/Simmons

I voted for Donald, but I am surprised the vote for Simmons is 3-1 over Poreda. I actually prefer Poreda.

by wobatus on Nov 30, 2008 10:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

My next 5...

Simmons
Tabata
Poreda
Chris Perez
Weglarz

by byronlhsdrmr on Nov 30, 2008 11:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

why simmons over Poreda?

I’d like to see this case laid out.

Same league, same age. Poreda gave up fewer hits and homers per 9, his k rate was slightly lower but above 7, k-bb also just slightly lower, slightly higher groundball rate. Plus he’s lefty. They are close, but I’d say Poreda has been slightly better. And he was one draft spot ahead of Simmons (gives one an idea how close they are).

by wobatus on Nov 30, 2008 11:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I am biased against White Sox prospects for sweeping the Astros in the 2005 World Series

by byronlhsdrmr on Nov 30, 2008 11:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Being a lefty doesn't matter for SP

Fewer hits pretty much never matters for anyone— if a guy is elite, he’ll have the K/9 and K/BB to back it up. If not, it’s probably just luck.

And many of Poreda’s stats were compiled in a weaker league.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Dec 1, 2008 12:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

poreda

was better in the same league. And I think such a large discrepancy in hits per 9 matters. The homer rate certainly does.

by wobatus on Dec 1, 2008 1:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

They didn't pitch

in the same league. Poreda pitched in Carolina and Southern Leagues, both pitcher’s leagues. Simmons spent the whole year in the Texas League, a hitter’s league. While the numbers are very similar, Simmons posting them in the tougher league puts him ahead for me. Poreda is the next pitcher for me after Simmons, and I’d have both of them on already if it was me. There are at least 5 pitchers on the list that I have behind both of these guys, some very far behind them.

"So's your mom"-David Sloane

by gatling on Dec 1, 2008 1:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

agree and Disagree

Your argument for Simmons is exactly right….

Disagree on them belonging on the list at this point and the top 100 is questionable.

by novaoakland on Dec 1, 2008 5:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Really? Theyre both going to be Top 100 prospects

on BA and BP. Guaranteed.

by alskor on Dec 1, 2008 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

by slurve on Dec 1, 2008 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

oops

my bad. OK, I can see it being sort of a toss up.

I voted for Donald anyway. :)

by wobatus on Dec 1, 2008 8:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I still like Skipworth

Rowdy Hardy Fan Club member.

by doublestix on Nov 30, 2008 11:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

+3Skipworth, Castro and Bryan Anderson are the best catchers available at this point

plus Ivan de Jesus Jr

by LCT on Dec 1, 2008 7:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

by byronlhsdrmr on Nov 30, 2008 11:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

poreda 'til he's on.

by Craig Grebeck on Dec 1, 2008 12:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

I think it's about time for Jason Donald

Passable shortstop on defense and his bat is likely to play above average.

by DiegoAsFan on Dec 1, 2008 12:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Perez v. Borbon

They are so very different, position, eta, ceiling, likelihood of at least being an average regular, which are all things I look at, all very, different. Personally I would go with the bird in the hand in Borbon a little before Perez but it is very much a matter of taste.

by Dalman on Dec 1, 2008 2:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs