Community Prospect List: #80
by King Billy Royal
on Nov 30, 2008 1:35 PM EST
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After 254 votes the winner of the runoff poll is Kyle Blanks with 35% of the vote. Martin Perez was next with 33%. Ivan Dejesus, Jonathan Niese, Matt Moore, and Brad Holt will be removed from the poll as they failed to achieve at least 7% of the vote. Beau Mills, Scott Elbert, Chris Perez, Todd Frazier, James Simmons will be added to the poll. PLEASE NOTE THAT I HAVE INCREASED THE MINIMUM REQUIRED PERCENTAGE TO 7% TO REMAIN ON THE BALLOT.
1. MATT WIETERS - C (Baltimore)
2. DAVID PRICE - SP (Tampa Bay)
3. JASON HEYWARD - OF (Atlanta)
4. TRAVIS SNIDER - OF (Toronto)
5. MADISON BUMGARNER - SP (San Francisco)
6. COLBY RASMUS - OF (St. Louis)
7. CAMERON MAYBIN - OF (Florida)
8. TREVOR CAHILL - SP (Oakland)
9. NEFTALI FELIZ - SP (Texas)
10. MATT LAPORTA - 1B/OF/DH (Cleveland)
11. MIKE MOUSTAKAS - 3B (Kansas City)
12. TIM ALDERSON - SP (San Francisco)
13. PEDRO ALVAREZ - 3B (Pittsburgh)
14. RICK PORCELLO - SP (Detroit)
15. DEXTER FOWLER - OF (Colorado)
16. BRETT ANDERSON - SP (Oakland)*
17. DEREK HOLLAND - SP (Texas)
18. ANDREW McCUTCHEN - OF (Pittsburgh)
19. BUSTER POSEY - C (San Francisco)
20. CHRIS TILLMAN - SP (Baltimore)
21. LARS ANDERSON - 1B (Boston)
22. JUSTIN SMOAK - 1B (Texas)
23. THOMAS HANSON - SP (Atlanta)
24. ELVIS ANDRUS - SS (Texas)
25. ANGEL VILLALONA - 1B (San Francisco)
26. JHOULYS CHACIN - SP (Colorado)
27. BRIAN MATUSZ - SP (Baltimore)
28. ERIC HOSMER - 1B (Kansas City)
29. TIM BECKHAM - SS (Tampa Bay)
30. MAX RAMIREZ - C/1B (Texas)
31. JARROD PARKER - SP (Arizona)
32. MICHAEL STANTON - OF (Florida)
33. MAT GAMEL - 3B (Milwaukee)
34. JESUS MONTERO - C (New York-AL)
35. BRETT WALLACE - 3B (St. Louis)
36. JORDAN SCHAFER - OF (Atlanta)
37. WADE DAVIS - SP (Tampa Bay)
38. LOGAN MORRISON - 1B (Florida)
39. CARLOS SANTANA - C (Cleveland)
40. FERNANDO MARTINEZ - OF (New York-NL)
41. JAMES McDONALD - SP (Los Angeles-NL)
42. JEREMY HELLICKSON - SP (Tampa Bay)
43. JOSH VITTERS - 3B (Chicago-NL)
44. YONDER ALONSO - 1B (Cincinnati)
45. TAYLOR TEAGARDEN - C (Texas)
46. FREDDIE FREEMAN - 1B (Atlanta)
47. GORDON BECKHAM - SS (Chicago-AL)
48. BRETT CECIL - SP (Toronto)
49. ALCIDES ESCOBAR - SS (Milwaukee)
50. JORDAN ZIMMERMANN - SP (Washington)
51. CHRIS CARTER - 1B/DH (Oakland)
52. CARLOS TRIUNFEL - SS (Seattle)
53. AUSTIN JACKSON - OF (New York-AL)
54. BEN REVERE - OF (Minnesota)
55. MICHAEL BOWDEN - SP (Boston)
56. TYLER FLOWERS - C (Atlanta)
57. ADRIAN CARDENAS - SS (Oakland)
58. REID BRIGNAC - SS (Tampa Bay)
59. JAKE ARRIETA - SP (Baltimore)
60. JORDAN WALDEN - SP (Los Angeles-AL)
61. MICHAEL MAIN - SP (Texas)
62. WILMER FLORES - SS (New York-NL)
63. MATT DOMINGUEZ - 3B (Florida)
64. MICHAEL SAUNDERS - OF (Seattle)
65. DESMOND JENNINGS - OF (Tampa Bay)
66. CARLOS CARRASCO - SP (Philadelphia)
67. AARON CUNNINGHAM - OF (Oakland)
68. J.P. ARENCIBIA - C (Toronto)
69. GIO GONZALEZ - SP (Oakland)
70. PHILLIPPE AUMONT - SP (Seattle)
71. JEFF SAMARDZIJA - SP/RP (Chicago-NL)
72. MICHAEL INOA - SP (Oakland)
73. AARON HICKS - OF (Minnesota)
74. JEREMY JEFFRESS - SP (Milwaukee)
75. ANGEL SALOME - C (Milwaukee)
76. DANIEL CORTES - SP (Kansas City)
77. GREG HALMAN - OF (Seattle)
78. JACOB McGEE - SP/RP (Tampa)
79. KYLE BLANKS - 1B (San Diego)
CANDIDATES - Martin Perez, Jose Tabata, Gorkys Hernandez, Daryl Jones, Jason Donald, Vincent Mazzaro, Nick Weglarz, Beau Mills, Scott Elbert, Chris Perez, Todd Frazier, James Simmons
TESTERS - Jeff Niemann (74-2%), David Cooper (76-2%), Nick Noonan (75-4%), , Julio Borbon, Aaron Poreda(77-6), Chris Coghlan, Michael Burgess (77-6), Neftali Soto (77-5), Christopher Marrero (77-3), and Adam Miller (77-5) , Dellin Betances (77-5), Kila Ka'aihue (77-5), Michael Taylor(77-1) and Andrew Lambo (77-2), Ivan DeJesus (79-4), Jonathan Niese (79-5), Matt Moore (79-2), Brad Holt (79-1)
NOTE: I have listed by each tester the last time they were on a poll and the percentage of votes they obtained. This should help us with selecting who should be placed back on the poll etc
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went tabata
but i could be swayed to gorkys or daryl jones….those are certainly the next three position players on my list
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
by biggentleben on
Nov 30, 2008 1:41 PM EST
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Neftali Soto
He has a lot of upside and he has shown the results.
by dougdirt on
Nov 30, 2008 1:43 PM EST
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this is jason donald's time
the guy has performed like a stud in AA, in the olympics, in the arizona fall league, and he’s got the inside track at starting next year in the 2 hole for the world fucking champions.
When they should be sacrifice bunting, they are buying effeminate designer jeans. When they should be fouling off pitches, they are masturbating. Always, they are masturbating.
by variablesdont on
Nov 30, 2008 1:43 PM EST
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I like Donald
and he would be my second choice after James Simmons. To me, a 21 year old pitcher who has excelled in AA is a significantly stronger prospect than any 17 year old, no matter how high his upside may be
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by OldProspects on
Nov 30, 2008 2:05 PM EST
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A stud in AA?
Those numbers are not even close to being studly for a 23 year old in AA.
by nyy601 on
Nov 30, 2008 3:00 PM EST
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An .883 OPS from a SS is pretty good in AA, even if he is a little old.
Never, Never, NEVER give up
by hero66 on
Nov 30, 2008 3:12 PM EST
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Donald is a 3B when he reaches the majors
by byronlhsdrmr on
Nov 30, 2008 6:13 PM EST
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For the Phillies probably . . .
But for most other teams he’s a SS/2B. I imagine the Phils would put him at second if they didn’t have Utley.
by Southwest on
Nov 30, 2008 8:00 PM EST
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For a middle infielder?
Who’s better? The other options are players who are further behind in him, have less production, and play less demanding positions
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by OldProspects on
Nov 30, 2008 4:01 PM EST
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Any of the Rangers homers want to explain Perez > Moore ??
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by doublestix on
Nov 30, 2008 2:28 PM EST
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He keeps racking up votes
While we get no explanation.
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by doublestix on
Nov 30, 2008 3:39 PM EST
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Well, I'm not a Rangers fan
and I don’t think Perez should be chosen now, but a 17 year who does well in A- ball is stronger than a 19 year old who does terrifically in Rookie ball, especially considering the scouts are, if anything, a little more pro-Perez than Moore
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by OldProspects on
Nov 30, 2008 4:00 PM EST
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Homer pick
Went with my favorite prospect, Simmons.
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by hero66 on
Nov 30, 2008 2:31 PM EST
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Martin Perez hopes to become James Simmons in four years
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 30, 2008 2:33 PM EST
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I don't get it
Scouting reports on Simmons are underwhelming and he has been very hittable thus far in his career while putting up a so-so K rate. I see many A’s fans even project him as a two pitch reliever. I don’t see it with him.
by groundingout on
Nov 30, 2008 3:13 PM EST
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Grover is suddenly "many A's fans"?
I know the guy is vocal, but last time I checked he hadn’t cloned himself. And I think his position is quite a bit more nuanced than you’re giving him credit for, although I grant he makes it easy to caricature in that way.
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 30, 2008 4:13 PM EST
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I disagree
I’d much rather Simmons than Perez right now, but Perez’s ceiling is clearly significantly higher than Simmons’. That being said, I still don’t understand why one would vote for a guy so far away when Simmons, who has a good shot of being a solid major league pitcher right now, is still on the board
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by OldProspects on
Nov 30, 2008 4:02 PM EST
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IF you like proven guys close to the majors
How about one with some nice upside like Chris Perez.
by novaoakland on
Nov 30, 2008 4:32 PM EST
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I don't think he's eligible, is he?
He pitched 43 innings in the majors…
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on
Nov 30, 2008 4:53 PM EST
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He is eligible
The cutoff is 50 innings. In next years poll I would prefer to do a 30 inning cutoff for relievers but under this years rules he qualifies.
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by King Billy Royal on
Nov 30, 2008 5:00 PM EST
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Simmons has more upside than Perez does
because he’s a starting pitcher.
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 30, 2008 6:27 PM EST
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James Simmons?
Martin Perez is due, given his age and upside. Chris Perez should be considered too. I don’t see Simmons as much more than a long reliever, kind of like a “poor mans” Dustin Hernanson
by giantsloseagain on
Nov 30, 2008 5:35 PM EST
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Really
So the A’s “long reliever” led the team in ERA this season, then.
A long reliever started game 4 of the World Series, then.
A long reliever posted a 3.91 FIP for the Twins and almost got them to the postseason despite Johan Santana’s absence.
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 30, 2008 6:29 PM EST
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After 89 votes
29% Martin Perez 26 votes
13% Jose Tabata 12 votes
8% Gorkys Hernandez 8 votes
5% Daryl Jones 5 votes
8% Jason Donald 8 votes
3% Vincent Mazzaro 3 votes
7% Nick Weglarz 7 votes
6% Beau Mills 6 votes
1% Scott Elbert 1 votes
4% Chris Perez 4 votes
2% Todd Frazier 2 votes
7% James Simmons 7 votes
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by King Billy Royal on
Nov 30, 2008 3:04 PM EST
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looks like...
It’s going to be Perez. Then I would like to see Simmons, and Tabata go in the next two.
by byronlhsdrmr on
Nov 30, 2008 6:16 PM EST
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Martin Perez...
is the most overrated pitching prospect since Deolis Guerra. He’s a decent prospect, but there’s no way he should be ranked. People are taking the Johan Santana comp far too literally.
Age relative to league is meaningless for pitchers unless they’re already absolutely dominating. Their development curve is unpredictable as all hell and the fact that they’re this young and haven’t even hit the injury nexus yet mitigates against them. It’s not a mark in their favor.
Young pitchers with live arms who can’t miss bats yet are sleepers. They’re not top-100 prospects.
by slamcactus on
Nov 30, 2008 6:25 PM EST
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+1
Nice 60 first 60 innings a career. What else am I missing?
by mraver on
Nov 30, 2008 6:43 PM EST
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-1
It isn’t like people are saying he is a top 50 prospect. We are at #80 on the list and this is where I think it makes a lot of sense to place guys with extremely high upside.
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by King Billy Royal on
Nov 30, 2008 6:45 PM EST
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"extremely high upside"
There’s the problem. People are inferring ‘extremely high upside’ from his age and the fact that someone said he physically resembles Johan Santana, and very little else. The pitchers with ‘extremely high upside’ who deserve to get ranked are guys who throw 98 but haven’t harnessed their stuff yet.
A teenager who sits in the low 90s, K’s fewer than a batter an inning, and doesn’t have a usable third pitch yet (especially when he’s a lefty and the missing pitch is a changeup) has theoretical upside that’s based on the idea that he has time to become a completely different pitcher with a different repertoire. He doesn’t have ‘extremely high upside’ until that transformation happens.
Like I said, he’s a guy you love to have in your system. He could even become great. That said, he’s not a top prospect yet, and there are quite a few guys in the minors I’d rather have who haven’t been ranked yet.
by slamcactus on
Nov 30, 2008 7:24 PM EST
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not missing bats?
im not sure how 53Ks in 62 innings is considered not missing bats, especially for a 17 yr old playing in a lg where he’s 3 yrs younger than almost every hitter…
I also dont think you can just look at his numbers and make a descision on him, He’s definitely a guy where you really need to look at the scouting reports to make a good judgement on. And i think every single scouting report i’ve heard or read is very, very high on him
by blalock84 on
Nov 30, 2008 7:10 PM EST
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His k-rate...
is perfectly adequate, but it isn’t special. To be one of the top-100 prospects out of the several thousand guys in the minor leagues, it should be special. Major league pitchers dominate short-season leagues. They don’t get by.
As I said above, his age is pretty much irrelevant. Yes, it’s possible that he’ll get better at inducing swinging strikes, but it’s not something you can project just based on the fact that he’s 17. It’s not like power for hitters. At least as many pitchers throw their arms out and peak in their teens as improve their stuff, command, and pitchability.
Perez is a nice prospect, but he belongs in the same category as guys like Juan Ramirez from the Mariners. Live arm, some idea of what to do with it, could fly up prospect lists if things break right, but not a current top prospect.
by slamcactus on
Nov 30, 2008 7:16 PM EST
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My "TESTERS"
I love that Burgess and Soto finally made the list, but a couple more I would be voting for before I vote for Hernandez, Jones, Donald, Mazzaro, Mills, Elbert or Simmons…
Matt Antonelli
Julio Teheran
Juan Duran
Yorman Rodriguez
Jharmidy De Jesus
by team name deleted on
Dec 1, 2008 1:01 PM EST
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Hm...
De Jesus maybe, but Duran and Rodriguez don’t belong here until/unless they show something in game situations.
by slamcactus on
Dec 1, 2008 3:17 PM EST
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RE:Hm...
72. MICHAEL INOA – SP (Oakland)
Duran and Y-Rod were the top of their class… and along with Iona, had they entered the draft would have been to 10 picks!
by team name deleted on
Dec 1, 2008 4:34 PM EST
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Inoa...
is a historically highly-touted prospect. Duran and the 2 Rodriguez’s were not. Nothing in the reports suggests they’re any further advanced than the top-level hitters in any given year’s international FA crop. It takes really special hype to get someone considered for a t-100 list before their 17th birthday.
Inoa might have been a top-10 pick in a theoretical world where he could be drafted, but there’s no way in hell any of those hitters would have been.
by slamcactus on
Dec 1, 2008 6:51 PM EST
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