Community Prospect List: #78

by King Billy Royal on Nov 29, 2008 1:43 AM EST Comment 39 comments

After 316 votes the winner is Greg Halman with 14% of the vote. Aaron Poreda, Michael Burgess, Neftali Soto, Christopher Marrero, and Adam Miller will be removed from the poll as they failed to achieve at least 7% of the vote. Delin Betances, Kila Ka'aihue, Ivan Dejesus, Michael Taylor, Jason Donald, and Andrew Lambo will be added to the poll. PLEASE NOTE THAT I HAVE INCREASED THE MINIMUM REQUIRED PERCENTAGE TO 7% TO REMAIN ON THE BALLOT.

1. MATT WIETERS - C (Baltimore)
2. DAVID PRICE - SP (Tampa Bay)
3. JASON HEYWARD - OF (Atlanta)
4. TRAVIS SNIDER - OF (Toronto)
5. MADISON BUMGARNER - SP (San Francisco)
6. COLBY RASMUS - OF (St. Louis)
7. CAMERON MAYBIN - OF (Florida)
8. TREVOR CAHILL - SP (Oakland)
9. NEFTALI FELIZ - SP (Texas)
10. MATT LAPORTA - 1B/OF/DH (Cleveland)
11. MIKE MOUSTAKAS - 3B (Kansas City)
12. TIM ALDERSON - SP (San Francisco)
13. PEDRO ALVAREZ - 3B (Pittsburgh)
14. RICK PORCELLO - SP (Detroit)
15. DEXTER FOWLER - OF (Colorado)
16. BRETT ANDERSON - SP (Oakland)*
17. DEREK HOLLAND - SP (Texas)
18. ANDREW McCUTCHEN - OF (Pittsburgh)
19. BUSTER POSEY - C (San Francisco)
20. CHRIS TILLMAN - SP (Baltimore)
21. LARS ANDERSON - 1B (Boston)
22. JUSTIN SMOAK - 1B (Texas)
23. THOMAS HANSON - SP (Atlanta)
24. ELVIS ANDRUS - SS (Texas)
25. ANGEL VILLALONA - 1B (San Francisco)
26. JHOULYS CHACIN - SP (Colorado)
27. BRIAN MATUSZ - SP (Baltimore)
28. ERIC HOSMER - 1B (Kansas City)
29. TIM BECKHAM - SS (Tampa Bay)
30. MAX RAMIREZ - C/1B (Texas)
31. JARROD PARKER - SP (Arizona)
32. MICHAEL STANTON - OF (Florida)
33. MAT GAMEL - 3B (Milwaukee)
34. JESUS MONTERO - C (New York-AL)
35. BRETT WALLACE - 3B (St. Louis)
36. JORDAN SCHAFER - OF (Atlanta)
37. WADE DAVIS - SP (Tampa Bay)
38. LOGAN MORRISON - 1B (Florida)
39. CARLOS SANTANA - C (Cleveland)
40. FERNANDO MARTINEZ - OF (New York-NL)
41. JAMES McDONALD - SP (Los Angeles-NL)
42. JEREMY HELLICKSON - SP (Tampa Bay)
43. JOSH VITTERS - 3B (Chicago-NL)
44. YONDER ALONSO - 1B (Cincinnati)
45. TAYLOR TEAGARDEN - C (Texas)
46. FREDDIE FREEMAN - 1B (Atlanta)
47. GORDON BECKHAM - SS (Chicago-AL)
48. BRETT CECIL - SP (Toronto)
49. ALCIDES ESCOBAR - SS (Milwaukee)
50. JORDAN ZIMMERMANN - SP (Washington)

51. CHRIS CARTER - 1B/DH (Oakland)
52. CARLOS TRIUNFEL - SS (Seattle)
53. AUSTIN JACKSON - OF (New York-AL)
54. BEN REVERE - OF (Minnesota)
55. MICHAEL BOWDEN - SP (Boston)
56. TYLER FLOWERS - C (Atlanta)
57. ADRIAN CARDENAS - SS (Oakland)
58. REID BRIGNAC - SS (Tampa Bay)
59. JAKE ARRIETA - SP (Baltimore)
60. JORDAN WALDEN - SP (Los Angeles-AL)
61. MICHAEL MAIN - SP (Texas)
62. WILMER FLORES - SS (New York-NL)
63. MATT DOMINGUEZ - 3B (Florida)
64. MICHAEL SAUNDERS - OF (Seattle)
65. DESMOND JENNINGS - OF (Tampa Bay)
66. CARLOS CARRASCO - SP (Philadelphia)
67. AARON CUNNINGHAM - OF (Oakland)
68. J.P. ARENCIBIA - C (Toronto)
69. GIO GONZALEZ - SP (Oakland)
70. PHILLIPPE AUMONT - SP (Seattle)
71. JEFF SAMARDZIJA - SP/RP (Chicago-NL)
72. MICHAEL INOA - SP (Oakland)
73. AARON HICKS - OF (Minnesota)

74. JEREMY JEFFRESS - SP (Milwaukee)

75. ANGEL SALOME - C (Milwaukee)

76. DANIEL CORTES - SP (Kansas City)

77. GREG HALMAN - OF (Seattle)

CANDIDATES - Martin Perez, Jose Tabata, Gorkys Hernandez, Jacob McGee, Kyle Blanks, Darryl Jones, Dellin Betances, Kila Ka'aihue, Ivan DeJesus, Michael Taylor, Jason Donald, Andrew Lambo

TESTERS - Vincent Mazzaro, Jonathan Niese, Matt Moore, Beau Mills(3%), Nick Weglarz(73-4%) & Scott Elbert, Brad Holt, Chris Perez (74-4%), Todd Frazier (75-4%), Jeff Niemann (74-2%), David Cooper (76-2%), Nick Noonan (75-4%), James Simmons, Chris Coghlan, Julio Borbon, Aaron Poreda(77-6), Michael Burgess (77-6), Neftali Soto (77-5), Christopher Marrero (77-3), and Adam Miller (77-5)

NOTE: I have listed by each tester the last time they were on a poll and the percentage of votes they obtained. This should help us with selecting who should be placed back on the poll etc

Poll

Who is Community Prospect #78?

Martin Perez

24 votes

Jose Tabata

37 votes

Gorkys Hernandez

25 votes

Jacob McGee

44 votes

Kyle Blanks

25 votes

Darryl Jones

22 votes

Dellin Betances

14 votes

Kila Ka'aihue

13 votes

Ivan Dejesus

19 votes

Michael Taylor

6 votes

Jason Donald

22 votes

Andrew Lambo

6 votes

257 votes | Poll has closed

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Mazzaro

by matt0177 on Nov 29, 2008 2:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Rest of the list

Went w Blanks this time.

My choices for the final 23 spots (not in order):

J. Tabata
N. Noonan
M. Burgess
K. Blanks
C. Marrero
J. Reddick
D. Stubbs
J. Borbon
C. Coghlan
G. Hernandez
V. Mazzaro
C. Perez
Ad. Miller
J. McGee
A. Poreda
Ma. Perez
M. Montgomery
A. Lambo
N. Weglarz
B. Mills
C. Hunter
J. Weeks
J. Teheran

by rhd on Nov 29, 2008 2:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

No Daryl Jones?

by Dfarth on Nov 29, 2008 3:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That was my first reaction

by wolviex18 on Nov 29, 2008 4:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Blanks until someone can convince me he's really this much worse than LaPorta

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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 29, 2008 2:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Enough 1B to field a whole league already.

by aap212 on Nov 29, 2008 2:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

A lot of people are voting for a top 100 FANTASY list

if you ask me.

by alskor on Nov 29, 2008 3:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

So no Simmons

and instead we get Betances and Kila? That’s messed up.

by alskor on Nov 29, 2008 2:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Simmons

I stated in the LAST poll:

I have added him as a tester. Please note that there are quite a few prospects to get to that haven’t been on the polls yet before I get to him.

Everyone can’t have their favorite tester on each poll. I increased the minimum percentage requirement to 7% in order to speed up the testers. If you notice we have SIX new guys this poll. Simmons will get on the poll soon enough but there are still five testers who have still not been on a poll. It is getting a little tiring having to deal with all the various complaints and to maintain a balance that satisfies everybody. If I put Simmons on this poll I will have people, who have been waiting for a tester (ie. Niese) to be polled, complain to me that he is not on the poll even though Niese was added as a tester first. When I don’t put Simmons on a poll I get “That’s messed up”. If everyone would just be patient it would really make my life a lot easier.

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-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Nov 29, 2008 2:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Something like ten people said they would vote for him if he was on the poll in the last thread.

What’s more important? The polling system? Or getting a list that makes sense?

I dont understand the rules youve created for testers and what not – but if theyre creating results that dont make sense they should be ignored. Its not just Simmons. Whatever the rationale for the testers we are now at a point where most people who are voting seem to believe there are a group of better players that arent on the list. If this means Dellin Betances or 25 year Kila Kildfefhaggahue gets “cheated” out of a tester, that’s too bad, IMHO. This has been the common thread of comments in the last ten or so threads. The best players available arent on the poll. Not just one. The next group of players available.

by alskor on Nov 29, 2008 3:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

wow.

back off and perhaps be a bit appreciative that King BIlly Royal is taking all of the time to do this, and in a much more organized and excellent way than in years past. Also, it’s just a list…relax.

by benzalman on Nov 29, 2008 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

+/-1

alskor has a point. I appreciate what KBR and pinstripes have done and the system worked early on for cycling players on/off the list, but it is no longer working. Not just a little out of whack – it’s very pronounced right now – most of the testers are much better than the players being voted on and it’s been that way for a while.

by slurve on Nov 29, 2008 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

In fact

I’d say it’s time to make wholesale changes to the voting list. I’d move to swap the testers list with the voting list.

by slurve on Nov 29, 2008 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

and that's all fine

As long as we’re reasonably patient, polite and progressive as you were above, Slurve. I don’t think it’s as if the people kindly organizing this are trying to rig it, if we need to make changes, let’s suggest some in a constructive manner and see what makes sense.

by benzalman on Nov 29, 2008 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think

anyone thinks anyone is trying to rig anything other than the ballot stuffing. At the same time, I understand the frustration alskor is displaying as there has been a “my way or the highway” attitude when it has come to getting this thing back on a reasonable track. It’s gotten to the point that they either need radical change or this thing has completely run its course. Maybe they’re OK with that, which is fine too.

by slurve on Nov 29, 2008 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Did you notice how I changed it to 7%?

I did that to speed up the testers as it should get 5-6 new guys on the poll each time.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Nov 29, 2008 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Daryl Jones til he's on

Then probably Donald.

by aap212 on Nov 29, 2008 2:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Kyle Skipworth

Rowdy Hardy Fan Club member.

by doublestix on Nov 29, 2008 3:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

I don't get why players that have already been 'tested' in the poll

are getting placed in front of players on there for the first time.

by Emmett89 on Nov 29, 2008 5:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

well thanks for raising the percentage

not exactly what I would have had, but at least you’re acknowledging the necessity for change.

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by The Congo Hammer on Nov 29, 2008 8:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

jake mcgee leads the current poll

(14 votes) although he is coming off TJ surgery and was not dominant at AA this year. Tabata and Perez come next (10 votes), and while young, I don’t think they have performed well enough quite yet to be on the list this high. Then Gorkys at 8 votes. Same thing. .348/.387 at AA even at 20 doesn’t do it for me. I need to see some performance.

I went with Kila. I know, old and another 1B, and the season was out of whack with the rest of his career to a degree. But it was such a monster season, and, although some of had said this is a fantasy baseball list, there is a reason fantasy baseball rewards huge sluggers with patience. They are the guys who help you win, as in real life (especially if your league gives points for runs, homers, etc.).

But I can see folks hesitating to vote for Kila. I think Jones, Donald, Dejesus, Blanks and Taylor all make sense right around here. Certainly more sense than the current top 4 vote-getters (or James Simmons, who maybe I’d put toward the back of the top 100.

by wobatus on Nov 29, 2008 8:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

other...poreda

still can’t believe he’s not on yet. i can’t imagine any list will have him this low.

by Craig Grebeck on Nov 29, 2008 9:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Poreda

I’d take him over Mcge. Better numbers this year and no TJ surgery.

by wobatus on Nov 29, 2008 10:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i'd have him pegged around 80.

and i think most reputable lists will, too. which makes it kind of odd he isn’t even on the poll.

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by larry on Nov 29, 2008 10:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

he was on poll at 77

and got 6% of the vote. He’ll be back on eventually.

by wobatus on Nov 29, 2008 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i understand that.

i’m just finding his (eventual) low ranking on this list rather odd. i suppose once we get past about 50 or so you’ve got a lot of prospects that don’t have a whole lot of daylight between them and aren’t as well known by people. but poreda was regarded by most commentators as a top 100 prospect last year and has improved his stock in the eyes of most scouts considering he now actually has a secondary offering to go with his fastball. rather odd to not see any improvement on his ranking. whatever.

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by larry on Nov 29, 2008 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah, my "this low" comment had more to do with the fact that he's getting waxed by some pretty questionable guys.

he’s obviously not the sexiest pick at this point, but he’s more of a safe pick than a lot of guys.

by Craig Grebeck on Nov 29, 2008 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

well, yeah.

this list got silly a while ago. not sure a community list like this really works much past 50.

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by larry on Nov 29, 2008 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

All the guys on the list are great and would likely make solid major leaguers down the line, but none of them strike me as major league “stars”. Gorkys Hernandez? Martin Perez? Fringe major leaguers at best.

Adam Miller is surely a HUGE injury risk, but if he can stay healthy (a huge if…I know) he’s got “star” written all over him.

by fartballs on Nov 29, 2008 9:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs