Community Prospect List: #77
by King Billy Royal
on Nov 28, 2008 1:33 PM EST
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After 370 votes the winner is Daniel Cortes with 14% of the vote. David Cooper and Nick Noonan will be removed from the poll as they failed to achieve at least 5% of the vote. Christopher Marrero, Adam Miller, Darryl Jones will be added to the poll.
1. MATT WIETERS - C (Baltimore)
2. DAVID PRICE - SP (Tampa Bay)
3. JASON HEYWARD - OF (Atlanta)
4. TRAVIS SNIDER - OF (Toronto)
5. MADISON BUMGARNER - SP (San Francisco)
6. COLBY RASMUS - OF (St. Louis)
7. CAMERON MAYBIN - OF (Florida)
8. TREVOR CAHILL - SP (Oakland)
9. NEFTALI FELIZ - SP (Texas)
10. MATT LAPORTA - 1B/OF/DH (Cleveland)
11. MIKE MOUSTAKAS - 3B (Kansas City)
12. TIM ALDERSON - SP (San Francisco)
13. PEDRO ALVAREZ - 3B (Pittsburgh)
14. RICK PORCELLO - SP (Detroit)
15. DEXTER FOWLER - OF (Colorado)
16. BRETT ANDERSON - SP (Oakland)*
17. DEREK HOLLAND - SP (Texas)
18. ANDREW McCUTCHEN - OF (Pittsburgh)
19. BUSTER POSEY - C (San Francisco)
20. CHRIS TILLMAN - SP (Baltimore)
21. LARS ANDERSON - 1B (Boston)
22. JUSTIN SMOAK - 1B (Texas)
23. THOMAS HANSON - SP (Atlanta)
24. ELVIS ANDRUS - SS (Texas)
25. ANGEL VILLALONA - 1B (San Francisco)
26. JHOULYS CHACIN - SP (Colorado)
27. BRIAN MATUSZ - SP (Baltimore)
28. ERIC HOSMER - 1B (Kansas City)
29. TIM BECKHAM - SS (Tampa Bay)
30. MAX RAMIREZ - C/1B (Texas)
31. JARROD PARKER - SP (Arizona)
32. MICHAEL STANTON - OF (Florida)
33. MAT GAMEL - 3B (Milwaukee)
34. JESUS MONTERO - C (New York-AL)
35. BRETT WALLACE - 3B (St. Louis)
36. JORDAN SCHAFER - OF (Atlanta)
37. WADE DAVIS - SP (Tampa Bay)
38. LOGAN MORRISON - 1B (Florida)
39. CARLOS SANTANA - C (Cleveland)
40. FERNANDO MARTINEZ - OF (New York-NL)
41. JAMES McDONALD - SP (Los Angeles-NL)
42. JEREMY HELLICKSON - SP (Tampa Bay)
43. JOSH VITTERS - 3B (Chicago-NL)
44. YONDER ALONSO - 1B (Cincinnati)
45. TAYLOR TEAGARDEN - C (Texas)
46. FREDDIE FREEMAN - 1B (Atlanta)
47. GORDON BECKHAM - SS (Chicago-AL)
48. BRETT CECIL - SP (Toronto)
49. ALCIDES ESCOBAR - SS (Milwaukee)
50. JORDAN ZIMMERMANN - SP (Washington)
51. CHRIS CARTER - 1B/DH (Oakland)
52. CARLOS TRIUNFEL - SS (Seattle)
53. AUSTIN JACKSON - OF (New York-AL)
54. BEN REVERE - OF (Minnesota)
55. MICHAEL BOWDEN - SP (Boston)
56. TYLER FLOWERS - C (Atlanta)
57. ADRIAN CARDENAS - SS (Oakland)
58. REID BRIGNAC - SS (Tampa Bay)
59. JAKE ARRIETA - SP (Baltimore)
60. JORDAN WALDEN - SP (Los Angeles-AL)
61. MICHAEL MAIN - SP (Texas)
62. WILMER FLORES - SS (New York-NL)
63. MATT DOMINGUEZ - 3B (Florida)
64. MICHAEL SAUNDERS - OF (Seattle)
65. DESMOND JENNINGS - OF (Tampa Bay)
66. CARLOS CARRASCO - SP (Philadelphia)
67. AARON CUNNINGHAM - OF (Oakland)
68. J.P. ARENCIBIA - C (Toronto)
69. GIO GONZALEZ - SP (Oakland)
70. PHILLIPPE AUMONT - SP (Seattle)
71. JEFF SAMARDZIJA - SP/RP (Chicago-NL)
72. MICHAEL INOA - SP (Oakland)
73. AARON HICKS - OF (Minnesota)
74. JEREMY JEFFRESS - SP (Milwaukee)
75. ANGEL SALOME - C (Milwaukee)
76. DANIEL CORTES - SP (Kansas City)
CANDIDATES - Martin Perez, Jose Tabata, Gorkys Hernandez, Greg Halman, Jacob McGee, Aaron Poreda, Kyle Blanks, Michael Burgess, Neftali Soto, Christopher Marrero, Adam Miller, Darryl Jones
TESTERS - Dellin Betances (66-2%), Kila Ka'aihue (67-3%), Ivan DeJesus, Michael Taylor, Vincent Mazzaro, Jason Donald(69-4%), Jonathan Niese, Matt Moore, Andrew Lambo(70-4%), Beau Mills(3%), Nick Weglarz(73-4%) & Scott Elbert, Brad Holt, Chris Perez (74-4%), Todd Frazier (75-4%), Jeff Niemann (74-2%), David Cooper (76-2%), Nick Noonan (75-4%), James Simmons, Chris Chris Coghlan,
NOTE: I have listed by each tester the last time they were on a poll and the percentage of votes they obtained. This should help us with selecting who should be placed back on the poll etc
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Neftali Soto
Big time bat potential and already showing good results.
by dougdirt on
Nov 28, 2008 1:48 PM EST
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Daryl Jones til he's on
Breakout year, great tools, great upside.
by aap212 on
Nov 28, 2008 1:52 PM EST
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+1
Prospect hounds usually drool over a guy like this. I’m really surprised he has lasted this long, and even more surprised that noone seems to be talking about him.
by guru4u on
Nov 28, 2008 4:52 PM EST
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Colby Rasmus casts a long shadow
Also— I know he’s younger than Jon Jay, but does that really make up for a 100 point OPS difference? Jay hasn’t been talked about at all, but I think he should actually be making the list somewhere about now.
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 28, 2008 7:03 PM EST
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Gorkys
Highest ceiling.
Lets not ignore defense here. He could be a very valuable player and his floor is pretty high, too.
by alskor on
Nov 28, 2008 1:54 PM EST
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Other good choices
Perez, Poreda, Jones
by alskor on
Nov 28, 2008 1:55 PM EST
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Just based on ceiling...
Halman has a higher ceiling than Hernandez.
Hernandez has more polish and has age-relative-to-league going for him, but remember that Halman’s only 2 weeks older. It’s scary to think that he STILL has tons of projection left despite already having maybe the most raw power of any up the middle player in the minors. And like Hernandez, Halman is an above average fielder at a premium position.
by slamcactus on
Nov 28, 2008 2:19 PM EST
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Think Gorkys Ceiling is Higher than Jones?
Jones was a two-sport star in HS. Could have played DI college football had he not wanted to so he has great athletic ability. He has also showed decent patience. To me, he seems like Desmond Jennings without the injuries.
by Dfarth on
Nov 28, 2008 4:27 PM EST
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Blanks until he's on
which should have been about 10-15 spots ago at least….
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
by biggentleben on
Nov 28, 2008 1:57 PM EST
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He's a good choice too
Im just not excited about him, but I understand why others would be. 1B prospects… I dont know… they have to be something really special for me to vote them. Id rather take a guy with defensive value like Gorkys or live arms like Poreda. I mean, this isnt a fantasy baseball top 100. Blanks is very promising though, and should be in my next few votes.
by alskor on
Nov 28, 2008 2:16 PM EST
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If you would vote for James Simmons on this poll, please +1 this post
It’s clearly more than we can ask for him to be put on the actual poll.
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 28, 2008 2:16 PM EST
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Simmons
I have added him as a tester. Please note that there are quite a few prospects to get to that haven’t been on the polls yet before I get to him. So when he is not on the poll in the next few I don’t want you to start throwing a big ‘Paul Thomas Pity Party’.
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by King Billy Royal on
Nov 28, 2008 4:03 PM EST
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Oh, don't worry... I wasn't nearly naive enough to expect THAT
You really need to turn the ballot over more. A 5% cutoff is just ridiculous at this point— none of these guys are that much better than the rest. Hell, Mazzaro has been in the tester pile for 11 votes now without coming up on a ballot (though I don’t think he’s top 75 material, personally).
Incidentally, if anyone’s interested, Sean Doolittle just got done kicking the ass of Mazzaro, Simmons and Inoa in AN’s community poll. Looks like Simmons will win #8 based on early returns.
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 28, 2008 7:17 PM EST
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+1/2
I’d consider him. My choices right now though are McGee, Poreda and Jones, though. He’d definitely be in my top 4 though.
by demondeaconsbaseball on
Nov 28, 2008 5:31 PM EST
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+1/2
I’d put him behind Miller and Blanks among the poll/tester list, but that’s about it.
I know that's a pisser, baby.
by Blicks on
Nov 28, 2008 6:56 PM EST
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Well, scratch Miller, but Blanks would be marginally ahead of him.
Quick lapse in judgment.
I know that's a pisser, baby.
by Blicks on
Nov 28, 2008 6:57 PM EST
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Hm...
I voted for Halman, and only once, but that was a pretty damn big swing in his favor in 20 minutes. If people are poll-bombing, just stop. It’s dumb.
by slamcactus on
Nov 28, 2008 2:44 PM EST
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I went with Jones
but I’m fine with McGee here, or Halman i guess.
bring back Weglarz!
by daveh33 on
Nov 28, 2008 2:55 PM EST
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Julio Borbon
" He throws it where he wants it, his breaking ball kept getting better and better and of course God gave him that special arm. He's great." ~ Neftali Feliz on Derek Holland.
by Kinslerhomer on
Nov 28, 2008 3:50 PM EST
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Blanks
Til he’s on.
Never, Never, NEVER give up
by hero66 on
Nov 28, 2008 4:08 PM EST
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In that last poll, a guy brought up a good point...
That all these prospects are so underwhelming that they vote is getting split very evenly and not enough guys are getting bumped off of the poll each time.
by Emmett89 on
Nov 28, 2008 4:17 PM EST
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whoever that guy was had it right...
preach it!
by byronlhsdrmr on
Nov 28, 2008 5:02 PM EST
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+1
I think we should cycle guys who get under 8% at this point. Just too many prospects to make our way through if only one or two guys are getting replaced each poll.
I voted Burgess, but considering how little support he’s gotten, I would hope he’s not on the next poll, since he has no shot of winning anyway.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on
Nov 28, 2008 6:43 PM EST
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+1
More testers, try keeping only the top 4 or 5 winners on the next poll so more guys get a chance.
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by The Congo Hammer on
Nov 28, 2008 6:57 PM EST
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+1
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 28, 2008 7:04 PM EST
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and...
get rid of more guys, but bring them back more often. Especially if they had a high percentage. But, more turnover is a must.
by byronlhsdrmr on
Nov 28, 2008 11:46 PM EST
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I'd take
Weglarz over any of these guys other than McGee
by TCapone30 on
Nov 28, 2008 5:44 PM EST
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Question
Then why did you vote for Michael Burgess?
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by King Billy Royal on
Nov 28, 2008 5:48 PM EST
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Billy, can please add Borbon to the Testers?
" He throws it where he wants it, his breaking ball kept getting better and better and of course God gave him that special arm. He's great." ~ Neftali Feliz on Derek Holland.
by Kinslerhomer on
Nov 28, 2008 6:34 PM EST
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Halman...
I know his approach is a mess, but it’s easy to forget he was 20 last year. He has all the time in the world to shore up the swing and work on discipline, and I’ve got some faith he’ll get it done with a new regime in charge of minor league instruction for the Mariners.
by slamcactus on
Nov 28, 2008 6:28 PM EST
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Brian Bogusevic
I voted Halman, but I want Bogu to get a shot at the poll next time around. Great tools, and his production this year has me giddy for his 2009 campaign.
by Take3 on
Nov 28, 2008 6:35 PM EST
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Adam Miller!
Brad Lidge like closer potential.
by prestonb1291 on
Nov 28, 2008 11:21 PM EST
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AT the moment...
the results look like this.
Who is Community Prospect #77?
9Martin Perez 28 votes
9Jose Tabata 29 votes
9Gorkys Hernandez 28 votes
15Greg Halman 46 votes
11Jacob McGee 35 votes
6Aaron Poreda 20 votes
9Kyle Blanks 30 votes
5Michael Burgess 18 votes
5Neftali Soto 16 votes
3Christopher Marrero 12 votes
4Adam Miller 14 votes
8Daryl Jones 25 votes
301 votes
Go Halman!
by rhd on
Nov 29, 2008 12:36 AM EST
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We are about to put a guy on a top 100 list
whose contact skills make Jack Cust look like Placido Polanco in comparison.
Don’t let this happen! : /
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 29, 2008 12:47 AM EST
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Actually...
Cust’s K% at age 20: 31.87%
Halman’s: 28.86%
Now, Halman didn’t have Cust’s ability to draw walks, but he does have speed, defense, and age working for him.
Get back to studying torts :)
by slamcactus on
Nov 29, 2008 1:00 AM EST
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Re: plate discipline
While Halman’s plate discipline obviously needs work, I’m actually encouraged that it improved from last year, w/o a drop in production. In fact, his production improved, too.
K/BB ratio
2007: 162/29 = 5.59
2008: 142/32 = 4.44
Halman’s plate discipline is not as bad as guys already on the list:
Villalona: 118/18 = 6.56 (horrendous!)
Arencibia: 101/18 = 5.61 (almost as bad)
Several guys had more K’s:
Snider: 153
Stanton: 153
Carter: 156
Do you think Villalona and Arencibia also should not be on the list? Neither has Halman’s power/speed combo.
by rhd on
Nov 29, 2008 1:15 AM EST
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Don't forget...
defense. Halman plays it well at a hard position. Villalona and Carter don’t, while Snider and Stanton are passable, but definitely not assets with the glove.
by slamcactus on
Nov 29, 2008 1:17 AM EST
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Villalona is only justifiable at #77
based on projection. He’s a joke at #25, or wherever he is on this list.
Arencibia’s a catcher, so the standards for him are a bit lax hitting-wise. However, I think he’s probably overrated on here. So we’re seeing a pattern— guys with zero plate discipline are being systematically overrated, given how hard it is for that kind of player to actually be an asset with the bat.
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 29, 2008 2:41 AM EST
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