Community Prospect List: #76
by King Billy Royal on Nov 27, 2008 4:23 PM EST
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After 343 votes the winner is Angel Salome with 13% of the vote. Jeff Niemann and Todd Frazier will be removed from the poll as they failed to achieve at least 5% of the vote. Neftali Soto, David Cooper, and Nick Noonan will be added to the poll.
1. MATT WIETERS - C (Baltimore)
2. DAVID PRICE - SP (Tampa Bay)
3. JASON HEYWARD - OF (Atlanta)
4. TRAVIS SNIDER - OF (Toronto)
5. MADISON BUMGARNER - SP (San Francisco)
6. COLBY RASMUS - OF (St. Louis)
7. CAMERON MAYBIN - OF (Florida)
8. TREVOR CAHILL - SP (Oakland)
9. NEFTALI FELIZ - SP (Texas)
10. MATT LAPORTA - 1B/OF/DH (Cleveland)
11. MIKE MOUSTAKAS - 3B (Kansas City)
12. TIM ALDERSON - SP (San Francisco)
13. PEDRO ALVAREZ - 3B (Pittsburgh)
14. RICK PORCELLO - SP (Detroit)
15. DEXTER FOWLER - OF (Colorado)
16. BRETT ANDERSON - SP (Oakland)*
17. DEREK HOLLAND - SP (Texas)
18. ANDREW McCUTCHEN - OF (Pittsburgh)
19. BUSTER POSEY - C (San Francisco)
20. CHRIS TILLMAN - SP (Baltimore)
21. LARS ANDERSON - 1B (Boston)
22. JUSTIN SMOAK - 1B (Texas)
23. THOMAS HANSON - SP (Atlanta)
24. ELVIS ANDRUS - SS (Texas)
25. ANGEL VILLALONA - 1B (San Francisco)
26. JHOULYS CHACIN - SP (Colorado)
27. BRIAN MATUSZ - SP (Baltimore)
28. ERIC HOSMER - 1B (Kansas City)
29. TIM BECKHAM - SS (Tampa Bay)
30. MAX RAMIREZ - C/1B (Texas)
31. JARROD PARKER - SP (Arizona)
32. MICHAEL STANTON - OF (Florida)
33. MAT GAMEL - 3B (Milwaukee)
34. JESUS MONTERO - C (New York-AL)
35. BRETT WALLACE - 3B (St. Louis)
36. JORDAN SCHAFER - OF (Atlanta)
37. WADE DAVIS - SP (Tampa Bay)
38. LOGAN MORRISON - 1B (Florida)
39. CARLOS SANTANA - C (Cleveland)
40. FERNANDO MARTINEZ - OF (New York-NL)
41. JAMES McDONALD - SP (Los Angeles-NL)
42. JEREMY HELLICKSON - SP (Tampa Bay)
43. JOSH VITTERS - 3B (Chicago-NL)
44. YONDER ALONSO - 1B (Cincinnati)
45. TAYLOR TEAGARDEN - C (Texas)
46. FREDDIE FREEMAN - 1B (Atlanta)
47. GORDON BECKHAM - SS (Chicago-AL)
48. BRETT CECIL - SP (Toronto)
49. ALCIDES ESCOBAR - SS (Milwaukee)
50. JORDAN ZIMMERMANN - SP (Washington)
51. CHRIS CARTER - 1B/DH (Oakland)
52. CARLOS TRIUNFEL - SS (Seattle)
53. AUSTIN JACKSON - OF (New York-AL)
54. BEN REVERE - OF (Minnesota)
55. MICHAEL BOWDEN - SP (Boston)
56. TYLER FLOWERS - C (Atlanta)
57. ADRIAN CARDENAS - SS (Oakland)
58. REID BRIGNAC - SS (Tampa Bay)
59. JAKE ARRIETA - SP (Baltimore)
60. JORDAN WALDEN - SP (Los Angeles-AL)
61. MICHAEL MAIN - SP (Texas)
62. WILMER FLORES - SS (New York-NL)
63. MATT DOMINGUEZ - 3B (Florida)
64. MICHAEL SAUNDERS - OF (Seattle)
65. DESMOND JENNINGS - OF (Tampa Bay)
66. CARLOS CARRASCO - SP (Philadelphia)
67. AARON CUNNINGHAM - OF (Oakland)
68. J.P. ARENCIBIA - C (Toronto)
69. GIO GONZALEZ - SP (Oakland)
70. PHILLIPPE AUMONT - SP (Seattle)
71. JEFF SAMARDZIJA - SP/RP (Chicago-NL)
72. MICHAEL INOA - SP (Oakland)
73. AARON HICKS - OF (Minnesota)
74. JEREMY JEFFRESS - SP (Milwaukee)
75. ANGEL SALOME - C (Milwaukee)
CANDIDATES - Martin Perez, Jose Tabata, Daniel Cortes, Gorkys Hernandez, Greg Halman, Jacob McGee, Aaron Poreda, Kyle Blanks, Michael Burgess, David Cooper, Nick Noonan, Neftali Soto,
TESTERS - Christopher Marrero(65-1%), Dellin Betances (66-2%), Adam Miller (67-3%), Kila Ka'aihue (67-3%), Ivan DeJesus, Michael Taylor, Vincent Mazzaro, Jason Donald(69-4%), Jonathan Niese, Matt Moore, Andrew Lambo(70-4%), Beau Mills(3%), Daryl Jones(73-4%), Nick Weglarz(73-4%) & Scott Elbert, Brad Holt, Chris Perez (74-4%), Todd Frazier (75-4%), Jeff Niemann (74-2%)
NOTE: I have listed by each tester the last time they were on a poll and the percentage of votes they obtained. This should help us with selecting who should be placed back on the poll etc
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this choice is terrible.
you should all be ashamed of yourselves.
When they should be sacrifice bunting, they are buying effeminate designer jeans. When they should be fouling off pitches, they are masturbating. Always, they are masturbating.
by variablesdont on Nov 27, 2008 4:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
martin perez
17 years old. maybe by the time he’s 23 he’ll be john danks, but he’s nowhere near that right now and there’s a huge likelihood he never will be.
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by variablesdont on Nov 27, 2008 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I think someone (maybe Jim Callis?) threw a Johan Santana comp on this kid and people are eating that up. He has a looooong way to go.
by eaheckman10 on Nov 27, 2008 7:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dan cortes
great, a flyball pitcher who does nothing exceptionally. is there any organization in baseball that doesn’t have dan cortes?
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by variablesdont on Nov 27, 2008 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
gorkys hernandez
solid power and discipline, with decent speed. but his batting average has dropped 30 points through each stop in A ball, and he’s not a plus defender.
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by variablesdont on Nov 27, 2008 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
solid power?
I don’t know about that.
by wobatus on Nov 28, 2008 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd characterize it as "potentially fringe-average"
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by PaulThomas on Nov 28, 2008 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
greg halman
‘hey, my upside is cody ross. that’s top 100 worthy’
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by variablesdont on Nov 27, 2008 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
halman's upside
is a lot higher than Cody Ross. But the kid cannot hit a breaking ball to save his life
by eaheckman10 on Nov 27, 2008 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
jake mcgee
probably the best of the bunch. he’s got a live arm, and tremendous stats, plus he’s advanced past A ball. he’s out for a while with TJ, but at least he has both an awesome upside and a solid chance at reaching it.
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by variablesdont on Nov 27, 2008 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
aaron poreda
he’s got one plus-plus pitch, but hasn’t shown even a mediocre anything else.
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by variablesdont on Nov 27, 2008 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not true at all
but keep rolling with it
by Craig Grebeck on Nov 27, 2008 10:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm.
i guess this goes to show that quantity posting doesn’t disguise a lack of quality. let’s read scouting reports from at least this year, mmkay.
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by larry on Nov 28, 2008 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
kyle blanks
he hits for average and power and plate discipline, but none are better than slightly above average, and as a 1Bman, at least one of those skills have to be great for him to stand out.
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by variablesdont on Nov 27, 2008 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How is he 60 positions worse than Matt LaPorta?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 27, 2008 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Because
LaPorta’s about 20 spots too high.
by Daniel Plainview on Nov 28, 2008 12:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
michael burgess
tremendous raw power, solid defense, but is he gonna hit for average? i’d say .260 would be a stretch for him, and he doesn;t have the discipline to make up for it.
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by variablesdont on Nov 27, 2008 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
david cooper
great, he’s lyle overbay.
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by variablesdont on Nov 27, 2008 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nick noonan
no plate discipline and average power.
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by variablesdont on Nov 27, 2008 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
neftali soto
yeah, todd frazier has no position because he might not stick at SS, but what do we call someone who has no lateral quickness at age 19, with not enough speed to play LF?
he can flat hit, though.
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by variablesdont on Nov 27, 2008 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What we call him is "Angel Villalona"
I have to say, I like Soto more than Villalona… at least he’s actually producing…
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by PaulThomas on Nov 27, 2008 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Neftali Soto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SG8NWFHJz8
Powerful swing, lots of contact.
by dougdirt on Nov 27, 2008 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i should also say that i still have jason donald, todd frazier, andrew lambo, and now,
nick weglarz, daryl jones, chris perez, and michael taylor as being the most deserving prospects right now.
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by variablesdont on Nov 27, 2008 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
jose tabata
well, at least he managed to hit .340. what? that was only a 90 AB sample with a .410 BABIP, oh well, i’m sure we can overlook the other 1000+ ABs where he’s been anywhere from terrible to ‘hey, i can hit .300! what power or discipline?’
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by variablesdont on Nov 27, 2008 4:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Gawd, shut-up already.
" He throws it where he wants it, his breaking ball kept getting better and better and of course God gave him that special arm. He's great." ~ Neftali Feliz on Derek Holland.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 27, 2008 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i don't know
looking at it, i’ll probably vote mcgee, but still this choice sucks, and it has for 4 polls now.
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by variablesdont on Nov 27, 2008 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I think someone has been hittin the sauce again. Looks like he handles his sauce about as well as Mark Reynolds handles a breaking ball.
by slurve on Nov 28, 2008 7:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this choice is just plain terrible, and the conversations have long ago stopped trying to be civil.
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by variablesdont on Nov 28, 2008 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually the choice
was probabably pretty accurate.
by slurve on Nov 28, 2008 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
O yea...
your right. Tabata has not shown he can hit every other year in the minors. He has one pretty bad year as a 20 year old in AA and your talking like he should not even be on the top 100 list. He has shown he can hit for average and steal bases. The power will come later.
by joegonzo on Nov 27, 2008 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
in 5 years, i could imagine that tabata will be a very nice, alex rios type player
but in the mid, i don’t think it’s very likely that he’ll be an effective major league player, and i can’t imagine voting for someone who i think will need to hit .310 to be better than replacement level in the next 4 years.
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by variablesdont on Nov 27, 2008 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
alex rios
anyone that would turn into an alexis rios type player deserves to be a top 100 prospect. Not saying he would, but you threw that out there.
But I do agree with you that Donald, for one, is more deserving than anyone on the ballot.
by wobatus on Nov 27, 2008 9:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rios
Anyone that would Alex Rios production is top 10.
by slurve on Nov 28, 2008 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
How can someone say they ‘imagine’ that a player becomes a Alex Rios type player in 5 years and then say he shouldn’t be #76 on a prospect list? That is just dumb.
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by King Billy Royal on Nov 28, 2008 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesnt matter
because the comp makes no sense to begin with.
by alskor on Nov 28, 2008 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Im gonna keep lobbying for Borbon
to be one of the testers… IMO he should be ahead of Perez after the season he had. His #’s were as good as or better than any of the top CF prospects.
by blalock84 on Nov 27, 2008 4:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
+1
" He throws it where he wants it, his breaking ball kept getting better and better and of course God gave him that special arm. He's great." ~ Neftali Feliz on Derek Holland.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 27, 2008 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+2
He should absolutely be ahead of Martin Perez at the very least
by eaheckman10 on Nov 27, 2008 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
[raises hand]
I mean, Blanks is solid. The rest of this list is a pile.
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by PaulThomas on Nov 27, 2008 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Sorry, but TJ or not, he doesn’t deserve to fall this far.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Nov 28, 2008 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Crap
Scratch the +1- that was meant for PT.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Nov 28, 2008 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
-1
Some people were projecting him as a reliever before the TJ. Now that he has elbow troubles, the chances that he ends up as a quality set-up man or closer rather than a plus starter are much higher.
by slamcactus on Nov 28, 2008 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are much higher
as is 100% that he doesnt become a starter. He’s in the bullpen in the minors for 09.
Between injury, risk and bullpen I dont think he’s a top 100 anymore – at least until he comes back and shows me something in 09.
by alskor on Nov 28, 2008 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
James Simmons as a tester
Dude’s got a good shot as anyone left at making the majors.
by Emmett89 on Nov 27, 2008 5:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He's certain to make the majors unless his arm literally falls off...
so, yes, a good shot…
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by PaulThomas on Nov 27, 2008 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
simmons IS kennedy/slowey when coming up
by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 27, 2008 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't tell if this is a compliment or not
Slowey is a very good pitcher.
Kennedy is not a very good pitcher.
by Emmett89 on Nov 27, 2008 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the minors version...sure
the small sample size mlb version…hopefully not
by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 27, 2008 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
-1
He has way better stuff than those two. WAY better
by alskor on Nov 27, 2008 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree, but it's because you're underrating Slowey's stuff
His average fastball velo this year was almost exactly 90 MPH, which is roughly what I expect to see out of Simmons.
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by PaulThomas on Nov 27, 2008 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Get Simmons on this list… now.
by byronlhsdrmr on Nov 27, 2008 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet he'll get in on the first poll he's on...
Well, that’s pretty close to par for the course for A’s prospects. Apart from Inoa, I don’t think there’s been a single instance of an A’s guy actually scoring under 5% on any vote…
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by PaulThomas on Nov 28, 2008 2:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the whole testers and 30 people on the poll is screwed up
people who didn’t get 5% because there are 15 people on the poll should be put back on quickly and not sit out many votes, weglarz should be on this list, he was getting a decent number of votes until one bad showing
by IHateMitchMustain on Nov 27, 2008 6:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Its 12 people on each poll
Also, if somebody had a high % on a poll (i.e. 3-4%) I have been trying to get them back on the polls sooner rather then later. Weglarz will be back on fairly shortly.
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by King Billy Royal on Nov 28, 2008 12:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
James Simmons
Yes, please. He’s looking like a stud compared to the group on the poll now. Weglarz, Jones, and Niese would also be more deserving than some of these guys.
by horns91 on Nov 27, 2008 6:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Daryl Jones please
He would easily top this list.
by aap212 on Nov 27, 2008 8:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Voted for Burgess
Love this kid, don’t know why other people don’t . . .he’s very young, has plus-plus power and draws some walks. Strikes out a ton, but with a deceptively decent eye for his age and his tremendous bat speed the potential is there for him to improve on this. Good athlete with a strong arm.
I can’t really think of a good comp. Toolshed with big power, bat speed, and problems with strikeouts makes me think of Glenallen Hill, but Glenallen was bigger and right-handed.
by mrkupe on Nov 27, 2008 8:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Where is Ivan DeJesus?
If guys like Elvis Andrus are ranked 24, Alcides Escobar is 49, and Adrian Cardenas is 57, then it is completely insane that DeJesus isn’t top 75 (especially since DeJesus is better than Escobar and Cardenas)
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by Buzz Bissinger on Nov 27, 2008 9:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
+1
He might get a shot with the Dodgers this year…
by wonderphenom on Nov 27, 2008 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this but I'd still pick Blanks.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 27, 2008 11:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My hypothesis...
right now the list contains a bunch of guys who do not deserve to be this high. So, what happens is we all vote evenly across the board. No one gets under 5% and leaves the list, and more deserving players Weglarz, Adam Miller, etc. Heck, I have not seen DeJesus move up at all on the testers list, and he should have made an appearance on the poll already, same for Scott Elbert – still has a great arm. What I’m saying is that we need some fresh prospects… although Tabata, Poreda, and Blanks I would vote for soon.
I hope Gorkys or Cortes do not win this poll… vote for Tabata!
by byronlhsdrmr on Nov 28, 2008 12:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yay Tabata!
He used to be pretty okay, for his age! And a Yankee!
by DrunkIrish on Nov 28, 2008 3:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Another close poll...
so I’m posting this.
Who is Community Prospect #76?
8Martin Perez 20 votes
10Jose Tabata 25 votes
14Daniel Cortes 32 votes
11Gorkys Hernandez 27 votes
8Greg Halman 20 votes
11Jacob McGee 27 votes
6Aaron Poreda 14 votes
8Kyle Blanks 19 votes
8Michael Burgess 19 votes
1David Cooper 3 votes
3Nick Noonan 9 votes
5Neftali Soto 13 votes
228 votes
by rhd on Nov 28, 2008 12:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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