DMB keeper league -- draft recap

by gogotabata on Nov 24, 2008 11:38 AM EST Comment 9 comments

I'm in my second year in a DMB keeper league with salaries and minor league systems. The draft lasts just 5 rounds, and basically everyone is eligible to be drafted except players still in high school and international free agents who haven't been playing in a system for at least a year (so, Inoa and Flores and Teheran are not eligible for our draft, but Strasburg is, and Alvarez/Smoak/Matusz were already drafted).

I think it may have actually taken 6 months for the draft to occur, so there are some picks that seem odd now, such as Holland and Carlos Santana falling as far as they did, but this was mostly due to a month or so lag in the draft.

Anyway, I'm always curious to see how things go in fantasy drafts, which is one of the best ways of gauging perceived value.

Round 1

1 Pittsburgh - Tim Beckham, SS, Griffin HS, Tampa Bay Rays
2 Texas - Buster Posey, C, Florida St, SF Giants
3 Baltimore - Gordon Beckham, SS, Georgia

4 Colorado - Stephen Strasburg, RHP, San Diego State
5 Philadelphia - Yonder Alonso, 1B, Miami University
6 Philadelphia - Kyle Skipworth C, Patriot HS

7 Pittsburgh - Jhoulyls Chacin, P, Rockies Org.
8 Houston - Nick Blackburn, SP, Twins Org.
9 Minnesota - Alcides Escobar, SS, Brewers Org

10 Atlanta - Eric Hosmer, 1B, Royals Org
11 Washington - Jason Castro, C, Stanford U
12 Toronto - Jason Donald, SS, Phillies Org

13 Baltimore - Daryl Thompson, SP, Reds Org
14 Oakland - Michael Saunders, OF, Mariners org.
15 Colorado - Jesus Montero, C, Yankees Organization

16 Chicago (N) - Christian Friedrich, SP, Eastern Kentucky, Rockies org
17 Colorado - Ethan Martin, SP, Dodgers Org
18 Cleveland - Aaron Hicks, OF, Wilson HS, Twins Org

19 Detroit - Brett Lawrie, C, Brookswood, Brewers Org
20 Texas - Todd Frazier, SS, Reds Org
21 Minnesota - Mike Stanton, OF, Marlins Org

22 Kansas City - Luke Hughes, 3b, Twins Org
23 Texas - Jess Todd, SP, Cardinals Org
24 Colorado - Henry Rodriguez, SP, Oakland Org

25 Arizona - Brandon Hicks, SS, Braves Org
26 San Francisco - Alex White, RHP, NC
27 Anaheim - Kyle Gibson, SP, U. of Missouri

28 Cincinnati - Engel Beltre, OF, Rangers Org
29 Houston - Jordan Zimmermann, RHP, Nationals Org
30 Chicago (A) - Fautino De Los Santos, P, White Sox Org.

Supplemental 1st round

1.A Toronto - David Huff, SP, Indians Org
1.B Philly - Josh Reddick, OF, Red Sox Org
1.C Houston - Logan Morrison, 1B, FLO

1.D Colorado - Gerrit Cole, SP, Orange Lutheran HS, Yankees Org
1.E San Diego - David "Reese" Havens, SS, Mets Org
1.F Chicago Cubs - Sean Doolittle, 1b, A's Org

1.G Arizona - Anonio Bastardo, SP, Phil's Org
1.H Texas - Jake Arrieta ,SP, Orioles Org
1.I Florida - David Robertson, RP, Yankees Org

1.K New York Yankees - Kelvin De la cruz, SP, Indians Org
1.L Baltimore - Tanner Scheppers, RHP, Fresno State, Pirates Org
1.M Arizona - Lou Marson, C, Phillies Org

1.N Texas - David Cooper - 1B, Toronto Blue Jays org
1.O Florida - Jared Burton, RP, Reds Org
1.P Baltimore - Shooter Hunt, SP, Tulane, Twins org

1.Q Arizona - Grant Green, SS, USC
1.R Florida - Neftali Soto, 3B, Reds Org

2nd round

1 Boston - Freddie Freeman, 1B, Braves Org.
2 Kansas City - Brad Holt, RHP, Mets Org.
3 St Louis - Allan Dykstra, 1B, Wake Forest

4 Toronto - Jon Jay, OF, Cardinals Org.
5 Philadelphia - Jonathon Niese, LHP, Mets Org
6 Washington - Kyle Lobstein, LHP, Coconino HS

7 Pittsburgh - Emilio Bonifacio, 2b, Nationals Org.
8 Houston - Armando Galarraga, RHP, Tigers Org.
9 Colorado - Tim Melville, RHP, Holt HS, Royals Org

10 Atlanta - David Hernandez, P, Orlioles Org
11 New York (N) - Edward Cegarra, RHP, Royals Org
12 Seattle - Josh Donaldson, C, A's Org

13 Chicago (A) - Ryan Perry, P, U. of Arizona
14 Oakland - Carlos Rosa, SP, Royals Org
15 San Diego - Casey Kelly, SS - Sarasota HS (FL)

16 Chicago (N) - Jonathan Lucroy, C, Brewers Org
17 Los Angeles - Chris Hernandez, LHP, Miami
18 Cleveland - Andrew Cashner, rhp, Texas Christian

19 Detroit - Connor Gillaspie, 3b, Wichita St U
20 Milwaukee - Lonnie Chisenhall, SS, Indians org
21 Arizona - Vin Mazzaro, P, Athletics Org

22 Tampa Bay - Mike Aviles, SS, Royals Org.
23 Texas - Joshua Fields, RHP, Seattle Mariners
24 Minnesota - Jose Ceda, P, Cubs Org

25 Florida - Oscar Tejeda, SS, Red Sox
26 San Francisco - Zach Collier, OF, Phillies Org
27 Anaheim - Anthony Hewitt, SS, Phillies Org

28 Cincinnati - Chris (Vernon) Carter, 1B, Oakland A's
29 New York (A) - Hector Rondon, RHP, Indians Org
30 Baltimore - Cody Satterwhite, SP, Tigers Org

Round 3

1 Boston - Esmailyn Gonzalez, SS, Nationals Org
2 Kansas City - Jacob Odorizzi, RHP, Highland HS (IL)
3 St Louis - Daniel Schlereth, LHP, Diamondbacks Org

4 Toronto - Brad Ziegler, RP, Athletics Org
5 Philadelphia - Ryan Kalish, OF, Red Sox Org
6 Washington - Tyler Ladendorf, SS, Twins Org

7 Pittsburgh - Pablo Sandoval, C/1B, Giants Org.
8 Houston - Jorge Campillo, SP, Cardinals Org.
9 Colorado - Greg Halman, OF, Mariners Org.

10 Atlanta - Ryan Jackson, SS Miami University
11 New York (N) - Ryan Flaherty, SS, Cubs Org
12 Seattle - Felipe Paulino, RHP, Astros Org

13 Chicago (A) - Eric Thames, OF, Pepperdine
14 Oakland - Matthew Buschmann, SP, Padres org
15 San Diego - Mike Montgomery, LHP, Hart HS, Royals Org

16 Chicago (N) - Scott Campbell, 2B, Blue Jays Org
17 Los Angeles - Blake Dean, OF, LSU Tigers
18 Cleveland - Carlos Gutierrez, RHP, Twins Org

19 Detroit - Eddie Kunz, P, Mets Org.
20 Milwaukee - Lance Lynn, SP, Cardinals Org
21 Arizona - Brad Bergeson, RHP, Orioles Org

22 Tampa Bay - Peter Bourjos, OF, Angels Org
23 Texas - Kyle McClellan, RP, Cardinals Org
24 Minnesota - Ryan Tucker, P, Marlins Org

25 Florida - Nick Evans, 1B, Mets org.
26 San Francisco - Derek Holland, SP, Rangers Org.
27 Anaheim - Carlos Santana, C, Indians org

28 Cincinnati - Wilson Ramos, C, Minnesota Twins
29 New York (A) - Matthew Joyce, OF, Tigers org
30 Baltimore - Brett Hunter, SP, Pepperdine/A's

Round 4

1 Seattle - Nick Barnese, RHP, TB org
2 Houston - Zach McAllister, SP, NYY
3 St Louis - Evan Frederickson, LHP, Brewers Org

4 Toronto - Pat Venditte, P, Yankees Organization
5 Philadelphia - Daniel Murphy, UT, Mets Org
6 Detroit - Chris Dickerson, LF, Reds Org.

7 Seattle - Wilmer Font, RHP, Rangers org
8 Houston - Ben Francisco, OF, Indians org
9 Pittsburgh - Neil Ramirez, P, Rangers Org.

10 Philadelphia - Tyler Flowers, C, Braves Org
11 Kansas City - Danny Espinosa, SS, Nationals Org
12 Houston - Caleb Gindl, OF, Brewers org.

13 Seattle - James Darnell, 3B, Padres org
14 Oakland - Trevor Reckling, LHP, Angels org.
15 Toronto - Shelby Ford, 2B, Pirates Org

16 Chicago (N) - Michael Taylor, OF, Phillies org
17 Baltimore - Andrew Oliver, SP, Oklahoma St.
18 San Francisco - Josh Lindblom, SP, Dodgers Org

19 Seattle - Adam Moore, C, Sea org
20 Milwaukee - Jordan Lyles, SP, Astros org
21 Kansas City - Destin Hood, OF, St Pauls Episcopal HS (AL), Nationals Org.

22 Cincinnati - Michael Pineda, SP, Mariners Org.
23 Baltimore - Jordy Mercer, ss, Oklahoma St., Pirates Org
24 Cincinatti - Daryl Jones, OF, St. Louis Cardinals

25 Cincinnati - Kila Ka’aihue, 1B, Royals Org
26 San Francisco - Brett DeVall, LHP, Braves org.
27 Philadelphia - Carlos Rivero, SS, Indians Org

28 Seattle - Cale Iorg, SS, Tigers org
29 Seattle - Justin Maxwell, OF, Nationals org
30 Houston - Alfredo Aceves, SP, Yankees Org

5.01 Boston - Jeff Locke, LHP, Braves Org.
5.02 Houston - Jesse Carlson, RP, TO
5.03 St Louis - Wade Miley, LHP, Diamondbacks Org.

5.04 Toronto - Ryan Strieby, 1B, Tigers Org
5.05 Philadelphia - Juan Ramirez, RHP, Mariners Org
5.06 Detroit - Brandon Douglas, SS, Tigers Org.

5.07 Baltimore - SKIP
5.08 Houston - Sharon Martis, SP, Nationals Org
5.09 Colorado - Mike Minor, LHP, Vanderbilt

5.10 Cincinnati - Marcus Lemon, SS, Rangers org
5.11 Seattle - Michael Olt, SS, UConn
5.12 Baltimore - SKIP

5.13 Los Angeles - Scott Woodward, 3B, Coastal Carolina
5.14 Oakland - David Freese, 3B, Cardinals org.
5.15 Minnesota - Jose Martinez, OF, white sox Org

5.16 Chicago (N) - Brad Mills, LHP, Blue Jays org
5.17 New York (N) - Jason Motte, RP, STL org
5.18 Cleveland

5.19 Cincinnati - Martin Perez, SP, Rangers org
5.20 Milwaukee - John Raynor, OF, Marlins org
5.21 Arizona - Craig Italiano, SP, Athletics org

5.22 Seattle - Robbie Shields, SS, FLA Southern
5.23 Minnesota - Dennis Raben, OF Seattle Org
5.24 Cincinnati - Matt Moore, SP, Rays

5.25 Cincinnati - Justin Jackson, SS, Blue Jays
5.26 San Francisco - Ross Seaton, RHP, HOU Org
5.27 Philadelphia - Kendal Volz, RHP, Baylor

5.28 Cincinnati - Wilin Rosario, C, Rockies Org
5.29 Cincinnati - Nick Hagadone, SP, Red Sox Org
5.30 Oakland - Mike McKenry, C, Rockies org

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Who are you in ISBL? I just gave up the Red Sox because they can’t keep the league running smoothly.

by jfish26101 on Nov 24, 2008 11:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Reds

I wish you didn’t give up! I got frustrated off and on this season, but I’m in the middle of my three year plan, and I want to try and see it through. Last season went a lot more smoothly than this one.

by gogotabata on Nov 24, 2008 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Well with my own league starting (which I offered twice to you) and WLSB which has been doing much better lately, I just said screw it. I don’t really like some of their rules anyhow so it wasn’t that hard to give up.

by jfish26101 on Nov 24, 2008 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

a 6 month draft

is reason enough to give up on a league……that is ridiculous

by Wheelhouse on Nov 24, 2008 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

If I were to give up on this league, I would’ve jumped to yours, but it would’ve been hard for me to add another league and give the team full attention. I’ve completely remodeled a team that went 68-94 the year before I got it, and have put together 105 and 100 win seasons in my first two years.

Looking back, it was a 5 month draft process, not 6. Still, pretty long.

by gogotabata on Nov 24, 2008 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Well GL with it. I wish everyone over there the best but as much as I heard how great things were there, when they finally gave me a team it was about the opposite as far as I’m concerned. I think I did the Red Sox good in my short stay but I just didn’t feel like putting the time needed to turn a 120 loss team into a contender into a league whose governing body didn’t seem to care to much. /me shrugs

by jfish26101 on Nov 24, 2008 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

As far as the draft goes though, the Sox went in with 2 goals and that was to add pitching and a long term solution at SS.

At the top of our draft, we had Chacin/Strasburg and then Grant Green. Now I was fairly certain neither Chacin/Strasburg would fall to 2.1 based on past drafts there but I really thought Green would fall. When he went 2 picks before ours, we went with BPA and took Freeman even though we picked up Villalona (was then a 3B), Wallace (is now a 3B), Smoak and Ackley (is now an OF) last year. In hindsight, I’d taken Holland at 2.1 but as you said, the early picks were taken in June with the later picks being finished in Nov so I’m not going to beat myself up about it.

Having missed on Green and our 2 main targets for pitching in the 2nd, we went into the 3rd continuing our 2 main goals. I had Ryan Perry at the top of my list for pitching and my co-GM (who I brought on just before the draft to take over the team at the end of the season) wanted Aviles. Once again, both were gone but this time we at least picked up a SS in Esmailyn Gonzalez.

For the 5th, we needed pitching bad and pretty much said we were going to take the best pitcher we could. We had Barnese at the top and McAllister/Oliver in the discussion but with all of them gone we took Jeff Locke.

All and all, I was pretty disappointed in my draft. Pretty much nothing went my way but it doesn’t really matter now since I’m not even in the league. Hopefully Shane can continue building what I helped get going.

by jfish26101 on Nov 24, 2008 1:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

My plan going in for the Reds

It was pretty basic for me; do two things: 1) get high upside guys, 2) fill out holes in my system.

This was my pre-draft depth chart for 2009.

C: Kelly Shoppach, JR House. Minors: ___________.
1b: _____________. Minors: ____________.
2b: Kelly Johnson.
3b: ______________, Joe Dillon. Minors: Pedro Alvarez.
SS: Jason Bartlett. Minors: Hector Gomez.
LF: Manny Ramirez. Minors: ______________
CF: Dexter Fowler, Chris Denorfia. Minors: Felix Pie.
RF: Ryan Ludwick. Minors: Brent Clevlen.

SP: Chad Billingsley. Minors: Neftali Feliz.
SP: Edinson Volquez. Minors: Trevor Cahill.
SP: Erik Bedard. Minors: Jeff Manship.
SP: Justin Duchscherer. Minors: _____________.
SP: Chris Carpenter. Minors: ___________.

Bullpen: Michael Wuertz and a big bunch of nothing.

My first pick was Engel Beltre, with the philosophy that, late in the first round, I want to grab the highest upside guy I saw, no matter how far away. I just basically want to fill up my system with big ceilings if I can, and if one or two work out, then I get to keep long term and cheap the sorts of guys that you pay out your ass for in free agency.

I felt really great at the time picking up big Chris Carter at the end of the 2nd round, as I saw a lot of inferior guys taken before him. Derek Holland was number two on my depth chart, and I think Carlos Santana was in my top 5 at this point, but first base had been my biggest organizational hole since trading away Joey Votto in the pre-season. And since we play in a power-friendly park, my thought is/was to get the guy with the biggest slugging upside I saw, and that is Carter. Looking back, I would rather have Holland or especially Santana, but it’s still a pick that fits my philosophy.

Going into my pick at the end of the third round, I sent in my list of top 3 guys, since my pick was third in that day’s rotation (when running smoothly, the draft does three picks at a time, so overnight 1.25 sends in one guy, 1.26 sends in two, 1.27 sends in three, for instance). My three, in order, were 1. Holland, 2. Santana, 3. Ramos. So I couldn’t believe it that, after a whole round when they were by far the two best prospects available, that both Holland and Santana got picked up right in front of me. Oh well. I still love Ramos as a catcher, and would’ve picked him in the next round regardless.

In the fourth round, I picked up Michael Pineda, Daryl Jones, and Kila Ka’aihue. Pineda hasn’t received much BA love, but his combination of frame, youth, numbers and stuff has got me really excited; I was torn between taking him or Juan Ramirez here. Daryl Jones is a pretty similar profile as Dexter Fowler and Felix Pie, two other OFs in my system, but the idea of a super-fast, high OBP CF/LF combo of Fowler and Jones was too much to pass up. Ka’aihue may be this year’s Geovany Soto, but regardless, he should sim well enough to be my starting 1B and bat fifth or sixth next year.

I loaded up on 5th round picks via trade before the draft, asking for them in big trades, or dealing away say Adam Everett and picking up his salary. And I think this is where my draft jumped up from pretty good to quite good, though there’s one guy I’m less big on now than I was at the time. So, in this round, I picked up Marcus Lemon, Martin Perez, Matt Moore, Justin Jackson, Wilin Rosario, and Nick Hagadone. The only guy I might want to switch picks on is Lemon, but if nothing else he still gives me positional depth up the middle. I think I got three huge upside arms in Perez, Moore, and Hagadone; if they stay healthy, in worst case I end up with some strikeouts in my bullpen. Best case, and I have one or two front of the rotation starters. Jackson is another guy I’m taking a gamble on, just looking for athletes and tools that can maybe season into production in three or so years. And Rosario I put up there with Ramos, a notch or two behind Santana, though.

This is my post-draft depth chart now:

C: Kelly Shoppach, JR House. Minors: Wilson Ramos, Wilin Rosario.
1b: Kila Ka’aihue. Minors: Chris Carter.
2b: Kelly Johnson. Minors: Marcus Lemon.
3b: ______________, Joe Dillon. Minors: Pedro Alvarez.
SS: Jason Bartlett. Minors: Justin Jackson, Hector Gomez.
LF: Manny Ramirez. Minors: Daryl Jones.
CF: Dexter Fowler, Chris Denorfia. Minors: Felix Pie.
RF: Ryan Ludwick. Minors: Engel Beltre, Brent Clevlen.

1: Chad Billingsley. Minors: Neftali Feliz, Martin Perez.
2: Edinson Volquez. Minors: Trevor Cahill, Matt Moore.
3: Erik Bedard. Minors: Michael Pineda.
4: Justin Duchscherer. Minors: Nick Hagadone.
5: Chris Carpenter. Minors: Jeff Manship..

by gogotabata on Nov 24, 2008 2:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs