Washington Nationals Top 20 Prospects for 2009
Alexander Hamilton, my favorite Founding Father
All grades are EXTREMELY PRELIMINARY and subject to change. Don’t get too worried about exact rankings at this point, especially once you get out of the top 10. Grade C+/C guys are pretty interchangeable depending on what you are looking for.
1) Jordan Zimmerman, RHP, Grade B+: I liked this guy in college, and I think he is significantly underrated on a national basis.
2) Michael Burgess, OF, Grade B+: Power, youth, power, youth. Strikeouts are a concern. Maybe a Grade B?
3) Chris Marrero, 1B, Grade B: I will cut him some slack due to age/league and injury.
4) Ross Detwiler, LHP, Grade B-: Numbers at
5) Garrett Mock, RHP, Grade B-: Another guy underrated, love the K/IP rate in the majors, needs better control.
6) Jack McGeary, LHP, Grade B-: High ceiling, a long way from the majors, maybe a C+?
7) Justin Maxwell, OF, Grade C+: Love the tools, skills are developing, but can’t stay healthy and already 25.
8) Esmailyn Gonzalez, SS, Grade C+: Need to see at higher levels, but made progress this year.
9) Destin Hood, OF, Grade C+: Great tools, not much performance data at this point.
10) Shairon Martis, RHP, Grade C+: Quite young, held his own at advanced levels, but not beloved by scouts.
11) Rogerarvin Bernadina, OF, Grade C+: An ideal fourth outfielder, finally put his tools to use.
12) Adrian Nieto, C, Grade C+: Need more performance data, could be a steal in the fifth round.
13) Derek Norris, C, Grade C+: Power, walks, throwing arm, need some full season data, but very promising sleeper. Could rank as high as 8 depending on emphasis.
14) Colton Willems, RHP, Grade C+: Would like to see a higher strikeout rate, grade will drop if that doesn’t improve.
15) Josh Smoker, LHP, Grade C+: Would rank higher if healthy. This grade is generous.
16) Marvin Lowrance, OF, Grade C+: For some reason I like this guy. Nice power.
17) Paul Demny, RHP, Grade C+: Another guy who is a long way away, but has upside.
18) J.P. Ramirez, OF, Grade C+: Quick bat, but questions about power potential. Could rank much higher next year.
19) Tyler Clippard, RHP, Grade C: A forgotten man, but still an outside shot at being a useful pitcher.
20) Ian Desmond, SS, Grade C: Good tools, can field, probably won’t hit enough.
Others include: Adrian Alaniz, Will Atwood, Mike Daniel, Leonard Davis, Danny Espinosa, Marco Estrada, Graham Hicks, J.R. Higley, Mike Hinckley, Marcus Jones, Stephen King, Luke Montz, Yunior Novoa, and Brad Peacock.
If there is someone else that you really think should be included, make your case. I always miss someone. Space is limited and some of the players above will probably get cut if I have to add someone else.
The system isn’t as bad as I first thought, but they have a big mass of C+/C type guys. Complaints about exact placement on the list from positions 8-20 don’t mean much at this point, as it all depends on what you are trying to emphasize and a lot of these grades are not final. I really struggled with grades for Detwiler, McGeary, and Maxwell. Feel free to weigh in.
SYSTEM IN BRIEF:
The Nationals system is not as bad as you think it is, but it isn’t very good, either. They have a lot of depth in C+ style prospects, but lack impact talents beyond the top few, and even guys like
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wasn't hamilton a warmonger who pushed adams out of office
and singlehandedly veered the nation down the path towards the war of 1812?
When they should be sacrifice bunting, they are buying effeminate designer jeans. When they should be fouling off pitches, they are masturbating. Always, they are masturbating.
by variablesdont on Nov 21, 2008 7:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hamilton
Yes, he did get his hated rival from the Washington administration Jefferson the support necessary to make Adams a one-term President. I doubt any warmongering he did prior to his death in 1804 led us into the War of 1812. He was pro-British, even though he served in the Revolution.
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by DAM on Nov 22, 2008 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Revolution of 1800
Well, Hamilton was stuck between a rock and a hard place with respect to 1800….he either had to support a man he loathed in Jefferson or a man he considered the Anti-Christ in Burr
by Caernarvon on Nov 23, 2008 12:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hamilton?
Really? I know he had a romantic death and all…
by mhsiegel14 on Nov 21, 2008 7:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
c'mon John
James Madison was the one with all the brains.
by Cabbage on Nov 21, 2008 8:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tommy J...
Jefferson (not John) is the man.
by basemonkey on Nov 21, 2008 10:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
jefferson
I’m not much for Jefferson and Madison at this point. Both of them were pretty enthusiastic about the French Revolution, even after it got into the bloodthirsty phase.
Hamilton had his flaws, but his anti-slavery stance was much stronger than most of the other Fathers, and I think he was exactly right about the Bank of the United States.
by John Sickels on Nov 22, 2008 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 on the Bank of the US
It’s basically what allowed the nation to survive past the post-revolution “liberty euphoria”. If the country had embraced Jefferson’s “nation full of yeoman” policy, the states would’ve all broken apart from each other and some European military power probably would’ve waltzed in and taken things over.
I think Hamilton shaped the US into the nation it is today more than any other founding father (for good and bad I suppose).
by jibs on Nov 22, 2008 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You have to love the irony in the fact that Jefferson was completely against the Bank when proposed by Hamilton’s reports, but was forced to use the Bank to complete one of his key accomplishments — The Louisiana Purchase
by Caernarvon on Nov 23, 2008 12:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True That
Good points. But I have to say Jefferson was my favorite because I got my degree from his university.
by mhsiegel14 on Nov 22, 2008 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Leonard Davis
Surprised that he didn’t warrant at C+ at least. He obviously wasn’t ready for AAA, even at age 24, but he spent all of ten games at AA. He’s doing great in the AFL (.325/.415/.600, 11/16 BB/SO, 12 XBH out of 26), and the Nats did add him to their 40. His numbers at A+/AA were so much better than what he did at A/A+ the previous year that you know there’s progress there. And he’s a LHB with at least some potential to play a valuable position or offer versatility.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 21, 2008 8:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
PJ Dean?
I thought Dean would make the list. A 1.57 ERA and 0.91 WHIP in 10 short season starts at age 19. Last year he went 4.06 and 1.23 in the GCL. He looks projectable, having added a few mph to his fastball, and he has some room to fill out. A short resume, but very compelling.
by Jaywin jake on Nov 21, 2008 11:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't he
in the Olsen/Willingham deal?
"So's your mom"-David Sloane
by gatling on Nov 22, 2008 1:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Quite well and truly
Along with Bonifacio and some other weenie I can’t remember right now, but I posted: http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/11/10/658344/willingham-olsen-to-wait-t
"That is like saying my ‘upside’ is Brad Pitts face, with Einstein’s brain, and Ron Jeremy’s unit. It is nice to dream, but that ceiling isn’t going to happen." (King Billy Royal)
by drjayphd on Nov 22, 2008 1:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well dang!!!
Guess I’ll go scrape the egg off my face…
thanks.
by Jaywin jake on Nov 22, 2008 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Detwiler
I’ve been hearing scouts don’t like his stuff anymore, and he’s not really a power arm at all.
by Take3 on Nov 21, 2008 8:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I've been reading the same
I’ve read that he’s “not as advertised”, and doesn’t have the stuff people thought he did coming out of college.
by jibs on Nov 21, 2008 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Haven’t heard anything good about his ‘power arm’ in over a year.
by gogotabata on Nov 22, 2008 7:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like...
Zimmerman, McGeary, Nieto, Norris, Smoker, and J.P Ramirez. The Nationals have a bunch of sleepers and could have one of the best farm systems in a few years with out adding anyone. With that being said it will also look much better next year if they Strasburg in their 1 spot.
by joegonzo on Nov 21, 2008 9:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i love Nieto
was hoping teh Royals would take him…would have been sweet letting him and Hosmer move through the system together.
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by doublestix on Nov 21, 2008 9:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hamilton
Hamilton was born in the West Indies and there was confusion about his age when he moved to the colonies. I guess that means that today he’d be a shortstop.
Not sure I agree that the system is getting better unless you see a lot of sleepers. Gonzalez’ first year GCL numbers were better than Hood’s, but Gonzo didn’t even get a top-20 sniff last year.
Hood aside, I think a team like Washington should have more representation from the current draft year nearer the top. Losing Crow really hurt.
by Jaywin jake on Nov 21, 2008 10:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
"Hamilton was born in the West Indies and there was confusion about his age when he moved to the colonies. I guess that means that today he’d be a shortstop."
Maybe the single greatest thing ever posted on this site.
by mrkupe on Nov 21, 2008 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
It’s the humor on this site, really, that keeps me coming back.
by Lunkwill Fook on Nov 22, 2008 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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—If Mock and Balester had a duel, who would win? As in, who will have the better career? (Balester was a B- last year, Mock a B- this year).
by The Colonel on Nov 23, 2008 2:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
i think the grades
for marrero and burgess are way too high….i’d give marrero a B- and give burgess a B. thoughts?
by psugator on Nov 23, 2008 12:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hard to argue with the list.....
Burgess definately has the potential, although the K’s are a little scary.
For all those wanting Marrero below a B grading, where he is is just right – all he did wrong this year was get a leg break and miss time.
A little suprised Davis didn’t sneak onto the end of the list – 25HR this year and added to the 40-man.
The one omission I’m surprised about is Bill Rhinehart. Made it all the way to AA in his first full year with 20HRs, and a pretty nice encore in the AFL to boot.
Thought Marco Estrada might be worthy of a place on the top 20 also.
Maxwell has all the talent in the world, but makes Eric Davis look healthy (I wonder; how good a comp might that be, in terms of a ceiling? Ron Gant?)
Basically, 6 or 8 prospects worthy of a long look (or more), and a whole bunch of C+’s and C’s…….
by Kirkie on Nov 23, 2008 1:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Why Clippard is Top 20 is unfathomable
He was a typically over-hyped product of a NY farm system and showed nothing this year that would indicate promise..
King, Davis, Daniel, even Claudio Fukunaga would be better than Clippard.
by VladiHondo on Nov 23, 2008 10:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Norris
I saw him play against the Lowell Spinners this summer. He hit a bomb in his first AB and was pitched around the rest of the game. He looked like a man amongst boys.
by faketeams on Nov 24, 2008 9:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Anyone here seen Lowrance play?
I’m curious about him.
by Vlad on Nov 25, 2008 7:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Zimmerman
What type of pither does Jordan Zimmerman profile to be? His FIP and actual ERA have been comparable, so he isn’t abnormally lucky with his numbers. He limits baserunners and he gets a fair share of K’s. I’ve only seen him pitch once, and that was in college (I live in Green Bay and the Pointers are one of the few good teams in the general area). Just curious what the general concensus is on Zimmerman.
by ILuvDaBush on Nov 25, 2008 11:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mcgeary
Him being a New England kid…I have interest. Any idea on his ETA? Is he spending the school year at Stanford and then pitching during the summer? that would obviously impact his progress.
by NYSOX on Nov 26, 2008 9:43 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
















