BA Detroit Tigers Top 10 Prospects

by demondeaconsbaseball on Nov 21, 2008 12:27 PM EST Comment 29 comments

1. Rick Porcello, rhp
2. Ryan Perry, rhp
3. Cale Iorg, ss
4. Casey Crosby, lhp
5. Jeff Larish, 1b/3b
6. Wilkin Ramirez, of
7. Scott Sizemore, 2b
8. Cody Satterwhite, rhp
9. Dusty Ryan, c
10. Guillermo Moscoso, rhp It's not the best system in the majors, but it's definitely improving. Whether that's a product of a solid draft, or because there was nowhere to go but up, I don't know. But Porcello/Perry/Iorg is a much better top 3 than quite a few systems (yeah, I know that still doesn't say a lot...)..

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Ouch...

this is what happens when you trade all your prospects away for veterans. Second worst system in the minors.

by slamcactus on Nov 21, 2008 12:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Eh

Porcello/Perry/Iorg is not a much better top 3 than quite a few systems. Better than the Astros, and maybe the Nats as well.

Porcello is a top 10-20 prospect at the least, but Perry is a B prospect and the rest are all B-/C+ at best.

by mrkupe on Nov 21, 2008 12:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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I like Iorg and Crosby better than Perry.

by SBcaptain2 on Nov 21, 2008 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

What's the difference between this and the White Sox?

To people like Poreda more than Porcello… because otherwise…

by alskor on Nov 21, 2008 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'll take...

Beckam/Poreda/Viciedo over the Tigers’ top 3 any day.

by slamcactus on Nov 21, 2008 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Viciedo

Right… forgot.

Otherwise… I still would say CHW have the better system… I was just pointing out its not a huge gap.

by alskor on Nov 21, 2008 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Difference

Poreda and Porcello really arent in the same league. Poreda is a good prospect but Porcello is the second best pitching prospect in all of baseball in my opinion.

by Kazmir2657 on Nov 21, 2008 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He doesn’t make the Tigers a better system all by himself. Porcello isn’t head over heals above Beckham in the grand scheme of things. The White Sox don’t have a good system, but they at least have some depth. I think they have 4 players who’d rank as the #2 prospect in the Tigers’ system (Beckham, Poreda, Viciedo, and Allen).

by slamcactus on Nov 21, 2008 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

My top ten

1. Rick Porcello
2. Cale Iorg
3. Casey Crosby
4. Ryan Perry
5. Wilkin Ramirez
6. Jeff Larish
7. James Skelton
8. Brandon Hamilton
9. Brett Jacobson
10. Cody Satterwhite

by SBcaptain2 on Nov 21, 2008 1:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Skelton

Left unprotected in the Rule V – I assume he’ll be taken.

by Daniel Plainview on Nov 21, 2008 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Probably, but

I think the Tigers hope that whoever grabs him isn’t able to keep him on the 25 man the whole year. Although, as a Braves fan who had to sit through a year of Corky Miller, I’m hoping there’s one team that’ll take a shot at him.

I still don’t understand it though. Do the Tigers really even have a catcher? I’d rather take a risk on him than most of the other options out there. He’s cheap and has got atleast a chance to be somewhat better than complete crap, which is more than I can say for a lot of the catching options.

by OldDutchPots on Nov 21, 2008 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

when cale iorg is your no. 2 prospect...

i just can’t get that excited….

by psugator on Nov 21, 2008 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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“I think Cale Iorg is going to be an All-Star, and I think he’s going to be an All-Star very soon — I mean, real soon.” -Dave Dombrowski

The numbers aren’t awe-inspiring, but the circumstances are unusual. I’m just trusting Dave and the scouts on this one.

by SBcaptain2 on Nov 22, 2008 12:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Wow

A quote from his own GM… well, you cant argue with something like that.

by alskor on Nov 22, 2008 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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Just throwing that out there. Dave never throws around praise like that. I’m not saying it will happen, but he was clearly shaking off rust this year. Next year we should see what he can really do.

by SBcaptain2 on Nov 22, 2008 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think the real question would be what scouts from other organizations think

Iorg seems like the type of kid that a front office would like “as a person” — what with the church missons and gritty, intense style of play and everything. I’m sure it’s easy for his own GM to praise him in that way if he’s rooting for him to succeed. Now if that comment came from an unnamed rival AL Central front office guy, it would carry more weight in my mind.

The big issue I have with Iorg is that his offensive profile was supposed to be a good contact hitter with solid strike zone judgement, but his stats so far have not supported that at all. You’re right in that he has unusual circumstances, so maybe he was still shaking off the rust. If his defense is as advertised, he still can be a useful major league player, and without anybody really blocking him in that organization he could rise quickly. He seems far too raw offensively to peg him as a MLB all star in the near future though.

by jibs on Nov 22, 2008 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Damn you alskor...

Serves me right for taking the dogs for a walk in the middle of my post…

by jibs on Nov 22, 2008 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Quietly decent system

Nothing hugely exciting, but there are a number of guys here (Larish, Ramirez, Ryan, maybe Skelton, Clevlen if he counts) who could still pan out as average regulars.

Moscosco, if he stays healthy, I think is a big helium possibility for ’09, and I could see him ending up as the 2nd best prospect in the system after Porcello, a B+ type of dude.

I’m pretty sure I’d rather have this system than the D’Backs, Angels, Nats, Astros, White Sox, Phils, Padres.

by gogotabata on Nov 21, 2008 1:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

+1

The number of unexciting, yet solid prospects that could contribute cheaply in the future is what I’m looking at here.

by demondeaconsbaseball on Nov 21, 2008 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Matt Joyce?

Where woud Matt Joyce rank if he were still eligible? Does anyone have a scouting report on Joyce’s defense?

by klmstrat on Nov 21, 2008 2:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Joyce

Joyce would definitely be in the top 5. He’s an excellent defender.

by SBcaptain2 on Nov 21, 2008 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

When...

a 25-year-old who MAY improve enough to be a league average 1B is in the discussion for a team’s top-5 prospects, it’s a very bad system.

by slamcactus on Nov 21, 2008 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Joyce

is a corner outfielder, and a pretty good one. I’d say a guy who can OPS .830 in the bigs at age 23 (albeit almost exclusively against righties) is worth a top 5 spot in the average team’s system.

by DrunkIrish on Nov 21, 2008 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think he's talking Larish

Which is foolish… he’s walks a ton, hits a lot of bombs… he’s a TTO player who is blocked in Detroit.

by demondeaconsbaseball on Nov 21, 2008 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He'll be 26 next year,

and he’s never dominated a level, and he’s never gotten control of his strikeout problem. He’s a .250 hitter in Double-A who has moderate power for his position and is 3 years older than standard prospect age at his level.

If Jeff Larish is a decent prospect, Paul McAnulty and Mike Wilson are future all-stars.*

*they’re not.

by slamcactus on Nov 21, 2008 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

hold on

He’s a AAA hitter at worst… check his homer and walk rates in Toledo last year.

Even then, he still projects to hit bombs in the majors and take walks. Jack Cust has a strikeout problem but he’s still productive.

by demondeaconsbaseball on Nov 21, 2008 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh...

I think Larish will hit fine in AAA – well enough to keep getting contracts and NRIs. I just don’t think he’ll ever be an above average player at his position.

Jack Cust had a career minor league OBP of .428 and walked more than 100 times in a season every year that he didn’t miss time due to injury. Cust is a way better TTO hitter than Larish (and was as an amateur), and even he’s only moderately valuable at the major league level given that Oakland insists on giving him a glove every once in awhile.

This is a big deal, because there are literally TONS of guys in the minors who can do what Larish can do, and they all play 1B. Dallas McPherson, Josh Whitesell, Joe Koshansky, Terry Tiffee (who can even play a little defense), Tagg Bozoid, Josh Phelps, Dan Johnson, Jeff Bailey, Paul McAnulty, and Brad Nelson, just to name a few off the top of my head, are all sitting around ready to be picked up for free (as an NRI) or cheap (in trade), and they’re all better than Jeff Larish.

by slamcactus on Nov 21, 2008 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs