Community Prospect List: #64

by the pinstripes on Nov 21, 2008 10:14 AM EST Comment 40 comments

After 270 votes the winner of the poll is Matt Dominguez with 20% of the vote. Andrew Lambo, Greg Halman, David Cooper & Jeff Niemann are being removed from the poll due to a lack of support defined by having less than 5% of the vote. Michael Burgess, Nick Noonan, Beau Mills, Gio Gonzalez & Aaron Poreda will be added to the poll.

1. MATT WIETERS - C (Baltimore)
2. DAVID PRICE - SP (Tampa Bay)
3. JASON HEYWARD - OF (Atlanta)
4. TRAVIS SNIDER - OF (Toronto)
5. MADISON BUMGARNER - SP (San Francisco)
6. COLBY RASMUS - OF (St. Louis)
7. CAMERON MAYBIN - OF (Florida)
8. TREVOR CAHILL - SP (Oakland)
9. NEFTALI FELIZ - SP (Texas)
10. MATT LAPORTA - 1B/OF/DH (Cleveland)
11. MIKE MOUSTAKAS - 3B (Kansas City)
12. TIM ALDERSON - SP (San Francisco)
13. PEDRO ALVAREZ - 3B (Pittsburgh)
14. RICK PORCELLO - SP (Detroit)
15. DEXTER FOWLER - OF (Colorado)
16. BRETT ANDERSON - SP (Oakland)*
17. DEREK HOLLAND - SP (Texas)
18. ANDREW McCUTCHEN - OF (Pittsburgh)
19. BUSTER POSEY - C (San Francisco)
20. CHRIS TILLMAN - SP (Baltimore)
21. LARS ANDERSON - 1B (Boston)
22. JUSTIN SMOAK - 1B (Texas)
23. THOMAS HANSON - SP (Atlanta)
24. ELVIS ANDRUS - SS (Texas)
25. ANGEL VILLALONA - 1B (San Francisco)
26. JHOULYS CHACIN - SP (Colorado)
27. BRIAN MATUSZ - SP (Baltimore)
28. ERIC HOSMER - 1B (Kansas City)
29. TIM BECKHAM - SS (Tampa Bay)
30. MAX RAMIREZ - C/1B (Texas)
31. JARROD PARKER - SP (Arizona)
32. MICHAEL STANTON - OF (Florida)
33. MAT GAMEL - 3B (Milwaukee)
34. JESUS MONTERO - C (New York-AL)
35. BRETT WALLACE - 3B (St. Louis)
36. JORDAN SCHAFER - OF (Atlanta)
37. WADE DAVIS - SP (Tampa Bay)
38. LOGAN MORRISON - 1B (Florida)
39. CARLOS SANTANA - C (Cleveland)
40. FERNANDO MARTINEZ - OF (New York-NL)
41. JAMES McDONALD - SP (Los Angeles-NL)
42. JEREMY HELLICKSON - SP (Tampa Bay)
43. JOSH VITTERS - 3B (Chicago-NL)
44. YONDER ALONSO - 1B (Cincinnati)
45. TAYLOR TEAGARDEN - C (Texas)
46. FREDDIE FREEMAN - 1B (Atlanta)
47. GORDON BECKHAM - SS (Chicago-AL)
48. BRETT CECIL - SP (Toronto)
49. ALCIDES ESCOBAR - SS (Milwaukee)
50. JORDAN ZIMMERMANN - SP (Washington)

51. CHRIS CARTER - 1B/DH (Oakland)
52. CARLOS TRIUNFEL - SS (Seattle)
53. AUSTIN JACKSON - OF (New York-AL)
54. BEN REVERE - OF (Minnesota)
55. MICHAEL BOWDEN - SP (Boston)
56. TYLER FLOWERS - C (Atlanta)
57. ADRIAN CARDENAS - SS (Oakland)
58. REID BRIGNAC - SS (Tampa Bay)
59. JAKE ARRIETA - SP (Baltimore)
60. JORDAN WALDEN - SP (Los Angeles-AL)
61. MICHAEL MAIN - SP (Texas)
62. WILMER FLORES - SS (New York-NL)
63. MATT DOMINGUEZ - 3B (Florida)

CANDIDATES - Michael Saunders, Carlos Carrasco, Jeff Samardzija, J.P. Arencibia, Desmond Jennings, Aaron Cunningham, Jacob McGee, Michael Burgess, Nick Noonan, Beau Mills, Gio Gonzalez & Aaron Poreda

TESTERS - Dellin Betances(55-2%), Nick Weglarz(56-2%), Daniel Cortes(57-2%), Adam Miller(58-1%), Phillippe Aumont(58-4%), Christopher Marrero(58-4%), Christopher Perez(59-4%), Aaron Hicks(59-4%), Jason Donald(60-1%), Todd Frazier(60-4%), Jose Tabata(60-5%), Jeremy Jeffress(61-4%, Kila Ka'aihue(61-4%) & Angel Salome(61-3%), Kyle Blanks(62-3%), Michel Inoa(62-4%), Martin Perez(62-4%), Daryl Jones(62-2%), Andrew Lambo(63-4%), Greg Halman(63-2%), Jeff Niemann(63-0%) & David Cooper(63-0%)

NOTE: I have listed by each tester the last time they were on a poll and the percentage of votes they obtained. This should help us with selecting who should be placed back on the poll etc.

Poll

Who is Community Prospect #64?

Michael Burgess

20 votes

Nick Noonan

14 votes

Gio Gonzalez

25 votes

Aaron Poreda

9 votes

Beau Mills

11 votes

Michael Saunders

54 votes

Jeff Samardzija

27 votes

J.P. Arencibia

40 votes

Aaron Cunningham

23 votes

Jacob McGee

15 votes

Desmond Jennings

42 votes

Carlos Carrasco

30 votes

310 votes | Poll has closed

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voted arencibia

donald, frazier, lambo, samardzija coming up.

When they should be sacrifice bunting, they are buying effeminate designer jeans. When they should be fouling off pitches, they are masturbating. Always, they are masturbating.

by variablesdont on Nov 21, 2008 10:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

J.P. Arencibia

don’t know how you can go wrong w/ a very good defensive catcher who happens to have plus power.

this from BA

Arencibia has impressive power to all fields—especially to center and left field—and rarely gets cheated at the plate. An agile and fundamentally sound receiver who calls a good game, he’s bilingual and a natural leader. He threw out 34 percent of basestealers in 2008, and evaluators rave about his easy, accurate and strong throwing arm. He also improved his blocking skills, dramatically reducing his rate of passed balls.

Q: Sean from London England asks:
Where do you rank JP Arencibia among catching prospects and what probability do you see for him sticking at the position. Could you also provide an ETA given the team’s lack of depth at the position? Thanks.

A: Matt Eddy: For most, Arencibia probably ranks among the top five catchers in the minors, and certainly behind Wieters, but aside from that it depends on your take on Carlos Santana, Jesus Montero, Buster Posey, Jason Castro and Kyle Skipworth.

Q: Tom from San Francisco asks:
Hi, John. Big fan of your (and the staff’s) work. What are the chances that a bulb goes off in Arencibia’s head and he comes to the conclusion that he needs to start working the count more and drawing some walks?

A: John Manuel: Thank you Tom. I think more important for Arencibia than drawing walks is getting into consistent hitter’s counts, because when he does, he punishes the ball. You can be an effective big league hitter without drawing walks; it’s harder to do but it can be done. He’s good enough defensively that he’ll be given time in the big leagues to figure it out. He has plus power, plus defense, plus arm . . . potential plus hitting tool. Four-tool catcher, not bad.

I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?

by the pinstripes on Nov 21, 2008 10:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

How you can go wrong

That catchers envies Jeff Francoeur’s plate discipline.

by aCone419 on Nov 21, 2008 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If Francoeur was a plus defender at C

He’s actually be semi-useful. Well, not last year. But in general.

by mraver on Nov 21, 2008 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Francoeur

had a 3.5:1 K:BB in AA. At 20. Arencibia (8:1 in AA at 22) WISHES he could approach the plate discipline that even Jeff Francoeur has.

by DrunkIrish on Nov 21, 2008 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

this is an area of concern which is why he didn’t rank in the top 25 which he would have easily done if plate discipline weren’t an issue.

i think his problem stems from extreme over-aggression more than him not being able to hit or recognize certain pitches. we’ll see what happens.

I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?

by the pinstripes on Nov 21, 2008 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The fact is...

whatever way you want to try to justify Arencibia’s atrocious plate discipline, it’s still just as bad. Whether his problem is approach, inability to hit breaking pitches, or a complete lack of pitch recognition, the problem is just as big. You have no way of knowing WHY Arencibia can’t draw a walk, and unless he learns to you can’t excuse it away and call him a better prospect than he is.

by DrunkIrish on Nov 21, 2008 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

-1

Too early for a guy with basically zero chance of being a star level player. The argument for Arencibia is essentially that despite his flaws as a hitter he’s a catcher. Bam. That’s it.

by alskor on Nov 21, 2008 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

If one of your better outcomes is to be Rod Barajas, you can’t be on the list this early.

by aap212 on Nov 21, 2008 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That and the plus power, and the fact that scouts like his hit tool....

by mraver on Nov 21, 2008 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Went with Burgess here

potential middle of the order hitter, in RF. He needs to stick on the polls here.

by siddfynch on Nov 21, 2008 10:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

+1

Though I think Saunders is also quite deserving here.

by aCone419 on Nov 21, 2008 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

by eastin on Nov 21, 2008 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Still Saunders

by aap212 on Nov 21, 2008 11:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Yeah.

Putting the minor league version of Miguel Olivo ahead of Saunders doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. At least Olivo could draw a walk when he was in AA.

With what we (should) know about plate discipline with regard to prospect development, Arencibia landing on the list this high will make me lose respect for this topic pretty quickly.

by DrunkIrish on Nov 21, 2008 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

until he gets on

stats, tools, and ARL

Go Pirates!!!

by cool hand Charlie on Nov 21, 2008 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Still Carrasco

by thudean on Nov 21, 2008 11:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

+1

by tdot mariner fan on Nov 21, 2008 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Jennings

on ceiling, then Arencibia

by AndrewTorrez on Nov 21, 2008 11:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Jennings too.

He is plate discipline and tools. He will be a star.

Remember: baseball guys... baseball...

by Metty5 on Nov 21, 2008 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

yes

also, had he been healthy, Top 20 last year for sure… and probably in my top 10…

by daveh33 on Nov 21, 2008 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Tester

I’d love to see Cortes back on the next poll.

Also, I’m amazed how far Gio has fallen.

The Dodgers won't win a playoff series until the Cool-a-Coo returns.

by mckeeno on Nov 21, 2008 11:34 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

On both counts +1 to Cortes and as to Gio, I had him on my rankings long ago, however, it was after Carrasco. One foot before the other.

by thudean on Nov 21, 2008 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

I voted Carrasco here. And my comment about Gio is more how far he’s fallen from last year’s appraisal.

The Dodgers won't win a playoff series until the Cool-a-Coo returns.

by mckeeno on Nov 21, 2008 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Gio is, I think, suffering from "eligibility confusion"

where a lot of people don’t really understand whether or not he’s eligible. So they’re not sure whether they should still be talking about him or not.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Nov 21, 2008 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

by alskor on Nov 21, 2008 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Samardzija

Will explain when I get out of class.

by demondeaconsbaseball on Nov 21, 2008 12:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Arencibia

At this point, he looks like he’s got Tyler Flowers kind of power with the likelihood of remaining behind the plate.

by MightyMoose on Nov 21, 2008 12:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Beau Mills here

Carasco next

by discndat on Nov 21, 2008 1:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Its Saunders time

by Scrupio on Nov 21, 2008 1:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Desmond Jennings

Though I would have gone with Nick Weglarz or Martin Perez if they were eligible.

I still think Ivan DeJesus and Gorkys Hernandez and Engel Beltre are ready for the list.

by gogotabata on Nov 21, 2008 1:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

DeJesus is an interesting call, Beltre was not good enough

Beltre could sneak into the back of the top 100 with his tools and plate coverage, but with a 308 OBP, it’s hard to put an outfielder this high.

by aap212 on Nov 21, 2008 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

other...

Tabata

by joegonzo on Nov 21, 2008 3:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Can we get a Greg Golson Tester???

I kid I kid…….

by laxtonto on Nov 21, 2008 3:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

i laughed

Rowdy Hardy Fan Club member.

by doublestix on Nov 21, 2008 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Atleast

somebody got it,,,

I thought it was funny.

by laxtonto on Nov 21, 2008 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

it's still kind of depressing as a phils fan

we could have had phil hughes or yovani gallardo.

When they should be sacrifice bunting, they are buying effeminate designer jeans. When they should be fouling off pitches, they are masturbating. Always, they are masturbating.

by variablesdont on Nov 21, 2008 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs