White Sox Sign Cuban 19 Year Old Dayan Viciedo
by larry on Nov 20, 2008 6:15 PM EST
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Wow, that's quite a contract
I was expecting something about half that much in terms of dollars. No real surprise on him going to the White Sox though.
He's 19 now
I think it’s a lot of money for a guy with supposed work ethic questions.
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anybody rember how skinny this kid was in the world cup….lol…hes really packed on a few…wondering if this is his body maturing or just lazy and needs Jenny Craigs #
A good deal, but a fair deal
and one which reflects just how badly the average prospect gets hosed by the draft system.
The Sox had a big leg up here thanks to their Cuban connection.
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Can you expound on this a little, PT?
It seems to me that the signing bonus, at least for the better prospects, more than covers the pennies they’re paid in the minors (when they’re not really providing value to the big league club anyway). I know once guys get into the majors they’re undervalued for the first 6 years, but how does the draft screw over prospects?
by thejd44 on Nov 21, 2008 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
If...
first rounders were free agents able to negotiate their contracts, bonuses would double.
I'd take Beckham over him
and Beckham only got a little over $6M.
He’d probably have been picked somewhere in the 6-10 range if he was draft-eligible last season, which would peg his bonus at somewhere in the neighborhood of $5M. Instead, he got more than twice that in guaranteed money.
The thing that galls me, as a labor advocate, is that teams could easily afford to pay fair signing bonuses if they didn’t just throw so much idiot cash at mediocre free agents who already have plenty of money.
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yea, they should do it like the NFL
and make the first overall pick the highest paid at his position before he steps foot on the field!
i much prefer the MLB system that leans more towards rewarding performance properly
The NFL is a horrible comparison though. The top talent in the NFL can walk on to the field from day 1 and help the team while in baseball even the best players generally still need a year or more to reach the majors. In my opinion though, the player’s union more than makes up for it later on for the players who get shafted during the draft. I wish the MLB draft was a little more like the NBA I suppose if I had to pick a system. I like how the order is determined in baseball but like how picks can be dealt and contracts are slotted in the NBA.
I do however like the financial structure in the NFL despite ticket sales being ridiculous. I think it leads more towards parity but if it can be proven that their financial structure directly leads to those ticket prices then I’d have to consider changing my opinion but I think it has more to do with the popularity of the league, TV contracts, sponsorships, etc than the fact that they have such extreme RS, caps, etc.
Anyhow, as far as the topic at hand, it’s much better than say what Kendry Morales got from the Angels. His 6 year, $45 million dollar contract was pretty ridiculous. It’s sort of a shame that these teams can go down there and find this raw, untapped talent and sign them to contracts so far below market value simply because of the situation they are currently in and how little they have to begin with.
MLB's system does nothing to reward performance properly
It rewards past performance. The NFL rewards future performance. That’s far more rational.
Also, find me an NFL first round pick who has “never stepped on the field.” Seriously. Most of these guys have been playing on national television for years before they sniff the NFL. There are a couple of undrafted free agents who didn’t play in college but every pick who gets big guaranteed money has been vetted extensively. If anything, the problem with that system is that it exploits the college players so badly. You seem to be suggesting that it doesn’t exploit them enough.
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+1
As a fellow labor guy (ex-union organizer, current student of employment law), I’m totally with ya.
Where are you going to school?
I’m a first-year at Hastings, inclining toward employment as a field.
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Right across the bay...
1L at Boalt, and ditto.
For Morales?
Yeah, rather significant type I’d say on my part. Haha
I bet he wishes he got $45 mill. Sad thing is a lot of the guys from Latin America support their whole family…not just their immediate family but their whole family. I’ve read articles before about players being the sole provider for 20-30 people, 4 mill over 6 years spread over a 3rd of that is nothing. Of course I’m generalizing but still, you get the point. Morale’s got screwed, the only reason he has had moderate success in the majors so far is because they don’t play him. /me shrugs
If you throw in Viciedo with the other prospects
Where do you think he would approximately rank on this list? I know it’s tough without getting as good a glimpse of him playing, but still I think it’s worth bringing him up since he is prospect age and I do think he is a very intriguing player.
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by The Congo Hammer on Nov 21, 2008 11:23 AM EST reply actions
in the sox system, he'd probably be third
behind beckham and poreda. with the caveats you mentioned, of course. i think it’s hard to put him higher than that without knowing much more about him other than the scouting reports and the what he did in the cuban leagues (which are considering to be roughly AA level).
as for among the rest of baseball, well, i’d be reticent to put him on any top 100 list because of the above. but i could see people arguing for him in the 80+ range.
free chris getz!
He ought to be higher than that...
People are voting for Inoa (mistakenly, mind you) on the community list, and he got like 1/3 of Viciedo’s money. He should be somewhere in the top 50, I’d think. Surely he’s a better prospect than Villalona.
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Tough to know...
Teams have had a really tough time teaching Cuban players plate discipline after they come over. The sample size is horrible, but it’s really tough to know what kind of hitter he’ll turn into given his background until we see him in games.
i think will carroll's recent blog post on this topic is quite apropos.
http://thejuice.baseballtoaster.com/archives/1178197.html
Guys I’ve never heard of talking about players they’ve never seen. Maybe they have, but they don’t say that. Maybe they talk to people like Goldstein does, but it doesn’t come out in their writing. I don’t see quotes from scouts. Essentially, I think many of these are meta-rankings, lists of lists, made from reading lists, not seeing players. At one end it’s worthless apart from the components and on the other, it’s simple plagiarism.
who has seen this guy play in a game? no one here, that’s for sure. even the scouting reports – whatever value you want to ascribe to them – are sketchy at best. until there have been enough eyes on this guy playing in actual games, it’s all guesswork and it’d be rather disingenous to rank him anywhere on a top 100 list, let alone in the top 50.
Even half-assed guesswork is better than simply declaring that a guy cannot possibly be a top prospect because he hasn't played pro ball yet
and much of the guesswork seems, at least, to be fully assed to me.
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Cuban baseball is, by definition, amateur...
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my point was more why did you bring it up?
he played in a league that has been described as the equivalent of the new york penn league. his numbers, while nice, don’t really mean all that much. we’ve got a chubby slugging 1B who lacks plate discipline. i’m having a hard time seeing how this rates that highly, especially with the lack of information. 80+ seems about right to start the conversation. ymmv.
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