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Rule 5 Draft

Who are the best players in your team's system who were left off the 40-man roster and are now eligible to be selected in the rule 5 draft?  I'll start with my team, the Tigers:

 

C James Skelton: An OBP machine with quick feet and solid defensive skills behind the plate.  I'm very disappointed the Tigers didn't protect him.  Teams with an opening at backup catcher would be wise to give him a look.

 

RHP Luis Marte: When he's healthy, he's got a low 90s fastball that he can bump into the mid 90s and a decent curveball.  However, he hurt is elbow midseason and was only throwing 88-91 mph when he came back.  He has also battled soreness in the Arizona Fall League.  He might be worth the gamble if he can say healthy.

 

RHP Jay Sborz: A former 2nd round pick who struggled mightily in his first few years in pro ball.  He figured it out this year however, and pitched very will out of the bullpen in High A.  He's got a mid 90s fastball.

 

 

Edit: It turns out that Marte is NOT rule 5 eligible yet.  My apologies.

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A's

Anthony Recker— catcher with big-time power but mediocre defense and poor contact skills. Could be the catching version of Russell Branyan.

Justin Sellers— great glove for a middle infielder, could be a utility/Alex Cora type.

Brad Kilby— need a second lefty for your bullpen? He’s as good as anyone out there.

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by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2008 1:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I forgot Danny Putnam

Nothing spectacular but the guy should carve out a decent career as a fourth outfielder. He’s not fast but he can handle any of the three outfield positions in a pinch.

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by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2008 1:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you expect

Powell to contribute in the bigs this year? If not, wouldn’t Skelton be a decent option to backup Zooks instead of Bowen?

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by gatling on Nov 20, 2008 2:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Was thinking the exact same thing

Bowen defines replacement level; Skelton has a little upside.

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by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2008 4:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Skelton

I’m pretty ticked that the Tigers didn’t protect him. He’s better than a lot of guys that are getting protected. Shoot, he’s better than most of the guys the Tigers protected

by SBcaptain2 on Nov 20, 2008 4:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Some team would have to be really brave to give him a 25 man roster spot

Still, your point is valid… the Tigers didnt exactly have a lot of guys they needed to protect.

by alskor on Nov 20, 2008 4:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

re

Protecting Wilkin Ramirez was a no-brainer. It also makes sense to protect Guillermo Moscoso and Zach Simons since pitchers are the most common rule 5 targets, but I don’t understand protecting Alfredo Figaro and Casper Wells ahead of Skelton.

by SBcaptain2 on Nov 20, 2008 4:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I mean, they have one of the worst systems around

Who exactly are these guys who had to fill spots 26-40 on the roster? Well, we know one of them is Porcello, but…

Looking at his stats, I really hope the A’s take him. Suzuki’s a horse; he only would have to start 20 games or so anyway. Totally worth it.

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by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2008 5:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Its a very interesting possibility

Even if you like him, youre stunting his growth/development because there is no MLB team that’s going to hand him a major job… I can certainly see some team liking him a lot.

It would be interesting to see if someone wants to try to convert him to 2B/UTIL/C Brandon Inge style… some have thought his bat could play at 2B… That would be an interesting thing to do with him. I could certainly see a team trying that… but its so hard to do during the season. Draft him now and send him to instructional immediately. Get him some glove time at 2B and 3B and the OF… that would be a pretty valuable player. Im not saying he cant stick at catcher – though obviously the questions are there – but you can maybe get him the ABs he needs if you make him a catcher/supersub. A lot to put on him, yes, but he’s such a weird prospect anyway…

by alskor on Nov 20, 2008 5:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Astros fit?

long time lurker, first time poster . . . it sounds like this Skelton might be exactly what the Astros are looking for in a rule 5 draftee. A need position with solid offensive skills for the bottom of the lineup with a possible Biggio-like switch to 2B when the other youngsters at the backstop position mature. Humberto Quintero and JR Towles do not exactly inspire confidence and the team’s success in rule 5 drafting last year may get Ed Wade to take the plunge again. Skelton can’t perform any worse offensively than the catchers there have been doing and no one expects him to be Brad Ausmus defensively, but he should be able to be Quintero or Towles without much problem. For the risk of what $100K if you have to send him back? I think my ’Stros might jump on this one.

by mestifo on Nov 20, 2008 6:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

$25K, actually

Costs 50 to draft a guy and 25 to buy him back.

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by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2008 7:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

I agree, I think someone will take a chance on him. I wouldn’t mind it being the Jays actually, as they need a backup catcher (Zaun FA, Diaz traded, Thigpen has hit a wall). I agree with the thought that you claim him in rule V, bring him to camp and get a look at him at 2b, maybe 3b, LF and CF. If he shows promise at 1 or more of those positions, you keep him.

I think teams that could grab him include the Astros, Blue Jays, BoSox, A’s, Dodgers or Padres.

by jayjay on Nov 21, 2008 8:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ideally if the A's had a more competent catcher

Suzuki wouldn’t have to start 140 games a season. I’d much prefer him starting only 120 and a decent player starting 40.

by thejd44 on Nov 23, 2008 9:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bowen's replacement level, as has been pointed out,

but Geren and Beane ran Zooks into the ground last year. There’s no need for that, especially on a team that was going nowhere.

A backup catcher through the rule 5 draft is an interesting possiblity, especially as it’s an easy position to stash somebody.

by OldhamA on Nov 25, 2008 11:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone know

if S. Bowman made it to the Mets’ 40 man roster?

by JayWise on Nov 20, 2008 2:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Deadline for Rule V 40 man

Is today – not all teams have made the roster moves

by thudean on Nov 20, 2008 3:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he damn well better have

i like bowman.

also, junior guerra will be an interesting case as he showed promising development and put up good #’s this season as a relief prospect who can hit 95 on the gun then promptly got crushed in HWB.

by robcast23 on Nov 20, 2008 7:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It looks like the Mets just didn’t add him, which makes no sense to me, but who knows…..the only add the Mets had was mike Carp.

by Mark Himmelstein on Nov 21, 2008 12:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lets just hope

That this doesn’t turn into Jesus Flores again. What I wouldn’t give to have him back on the Mets right now.

by JayWise on Nov 21, 2008 1:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He has two metal rods in his back

He really doesn’t have the upside he had before the back surgeries. It’s possible someone would give him a look and see if he can be productive as a bench guy. If that happens, you wish him well. He’ll get more opportunities at 3B elsewhere anyway.

I would still have protected him. The Mets had no one other than Carp left who really needed to be added, and won’t really be pressed for that roster spot until next year (I think they’ll have a few adds next year, starting with Niese and Thole). He’ll also probably be a minor league free agent in another year.

by acerimusdux on Nov 21, 2008 4:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He did not make the 40 man roster

There is speculation that due to his injuries he is not yet eligible for the Rule V draft, as well as the fact that there is a very small chance he’ll make it on a 25 man roster all season without being offered back to the Mets.

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by future on Nov 24, 2008 3:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bowman

As a Mets fan, I really don’t care if he gets drafted. He’s not in the Mets top 30, IMO, and he’s already 24(?). He’s not much of a prospect anymore.

by supermets on Nov 24, 2008 4:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So what if he's not in the top 30.

Why give away talent for nothing?

The kid can hit. He’s had a host of injuries but might still make it.

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by future on Nov 25, 2008 10:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not worth a spot

I doubt he’ll even get picked and kept on a roster all year because he’s not even close to ready to the majors. I don’t think he’ll ever be ready, except maybe as a utility player because of his defense. Not worth it to keep him on the roster.

by supermets on Nov 26, 2008 2:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

some sites...

have yet to update their 40 man roster.

by joegonzo on Nov 20, 2008 3:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Orioles

Mike Costanzo is the only notable left unprotected.

by dkdc on Nov 20, 2008 3:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Also Scott Moore

All in all, I’m pretty surprised —

A) That a team as bad as the Orioles decided to go into the Rule 5 draft with a full 40-man roster;

B) That complete scrubs like Fredy Deza, Brian Bass, and Chris Waters are protected at all, let alone over Mike Costanzo, who could conceivably be of some use to someone; and

C) That the Orioles wouldn’t cry tears of sublime joy if someone were actually willing to take Jamie Walker off their hands.

by AndrewTorrez on Nov 20, 2008 5:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My bad

He wasn’t on the O’s 40-man-roster posted at baltimoreorioles.com as of yesterday.

Still have no idea what the aforementioned scrubs filling out the roster are doing on there, though. Usually you’d think a team like the O’s would be in a good position to take a flyer. Oh well.

by AndrewTorrez on Nov 21, 2008 11:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The deadline isn't until 5

I’ll try to make a list once the Rays make their moves, but probably nobody too significant will be available. Ryan Royster and Rhyne Hughes (and maybe Chris Mason) will probably be the highest profile names.

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by Brickhaus on Nov 20, 2008 4:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Deadline

The deadline isn’t until midnight if some are reporting it correctly.

by Andy Seiler on Nov 20, 2008 8:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Twins

Zach Ward: FIP under 3 GB% over 50 in four stops.

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by cmathewson on Nov 20, 2008 6:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Rainville

interesting potential pickup as well as Ward. Rainville was considered a stud before his surgery and showed some flashes last 2 years. I think he could be the type of guy who could be converted to the bullpen, nice power arm and still pretty young

by NYSOX on Nov 24, 2008 10:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be surprised if Rinville is taken

Before the nerve surgery, he was a top prospect. But he hasn’t gotten his fastball back since, as evidenced by his FIP at 5.49 in AA last year, mostly due to the 22 HRs allowed in 129 innings and the GB% just above 30.

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by cmathewson on Nov 28, 2008 12:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yankees

Cashman blew it:

He left Alan Horne and J. Brent Cox off, yet Cody Ransom and Shelley Duncan still have spots.

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by hallofamer2000 on Nov 20, 2008 6:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Don’t forget Whelan – they have him practically auditioning in the AFL too.

by gunkdog on Nov 21, 2008 12:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Whelan

I disagree. He has always walked way too many, and he got even worse this year. Plus, he’ll be 25 next year. He’s also doing poorly walk wise in the AFL. Even if he is picked, I see very little chance of him being kept all year.

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by hallofamer2000 on Nov 21, 2008 10:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Horne's coming off shoulder surgery

I doubt any team will waste a 25-man spot on him. I could see someone taking a flier on Cox or Whelan, but I don’t know if either would stick.

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by lemonjello on Nov 22, 2008 12:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think teams can stash players on their DL to still count towards the 25-man roster requirement. I think San Diego did that with a pair of relief pitchers (Guevara and someone else?) plucked from last year’s rule V draft.

by Grudyfan on Nov 22, 2008 2:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nope, doesn't work

Sooner or later you must have them spend 150 days on your 25 man roster. Putting a guy on the DL can delay it but not alter it.

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by PaulThomas on Nov 22, 2008 1:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ayup

The Red Sox did that with Adam Stern, burning up most of his roster obligation, but not all of it. They kept him around for a month and a half or so the next year, then traded him to Baltimore.

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by drjayphd on Nov 23, 2008 2:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I may be wrong

but I thought it also happened with Lenny DiNardo.

by alskor on Nov 23, 2008 5:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

your right

they did

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 24, 2008 12:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's hank n hal for ya

I’d like to see whelan or cox donning a mets uni

by METSMETSMETS on Nov 27, 2008 10:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not much left for the M's.

Andy Baldwin, Robert Rohrbaugh, Oswaldo Navarro, and Marshall Hubbard are the notable names, and all are kind of fringy. I think Dorman’s too old to be picked.

The bigger loss in any case will be Eric O’Flaherty being picked up on waivers by the Braves.

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by JY on Nov 20, 2008 7:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think Rohrbaugh is the most likely to get picked out of those

But even that’s a stretch. On the other hand, I would love some team to take Navarro off our (Seattle’s) hands.

by JonBBT on Dec 1, 2008 8:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The problem with Rohrbaugh

He has reverse splits. He gets out RHH better than LHH. Otherwise he would be more attractive as a end of the bench bullpen arm/LOOGY/lefty specialist.

Someone might still take him, but I wouldnt exactly lose sleep over it if I were the M’s. He’s basically a long man – and a poor option for a long man at that.

by alskor on Dec 2, 2008 5:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

royals:

no one important. maybe a guy like juan abreu who throws 95 and had big strikeout numbers, but he was 22 and in Low A.

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by doublestix on Nov 20, 2008 7:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Chris Nicoll

Is probably a long shot, but he’s out there. LHP Dusty Hughes and RHP Jarrod Plummer are also available, but its really hard to see anyone taking them.

And if you want a former top five pick outfielder who can’t hit, Chris Lubanski is available for the second year in a row.

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 20, 2008 9:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pirates

Kyle Bloom is the only guy that might be taken.

by joegonzo on Nov 20, 2008 8:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Jamie Romak?

Has good power, but really struggled after promotion to AA, and then again in the AFL. He’s not ready, but someone might take him anyway, I guess.

by Vlad on Nov 22, 2008 11:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rangers

with Kam Loe on his way to Japan and Wes Littleton dfa, less that expected is avabile from the Rangers in the rule 5 draft. Among the most notable or a fairly non-notable bunch are Redro Strop, Ben Harrison, Emerson Frostad adn Ian Gac. Other than Strop whom the Newberg Report’s Scott Lucas points out may be somewhat attractive because he is injured, I think anyone being picked from the Rangers is a considerable long shot.

On a related not, I am sure that many of you heard that John Mayberry Jr. was traded for Greg Golson, who was added to the Rangers 40. One somewhat failed 1st round tools player for another, not surprising to deal JMJ, rather surprised that they did it for a clearly not ready for the majors outfielder who has to be kept on the 40.

by Dalman on Nov 20, 2008 10:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Strop?

I didn’t see that the Rangers signed him, when was this? I didn’t think anyone would pick him up considering the magnitude of his injury.

I love Frostad, not just because he’s a fellow Canuck. I think he can make a great utility player

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by fischbowl on Nov 27, 2008 11:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

September, actually

The Rockies at the moment look pretty bad for letting him go right now, but we’ll see. I’m looking at the future performance of Sam Deduno vs. that of Strop as the gauge for that decision, since the sum of their moves this fall makes it seem that they’re banking more on Deduno coming back from surgery than Strop.

by Rox Girl on Nov 28, 2008 12:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Deduno

While I agree with the logic of your line of thought, I still find it hard to believe at this point. I didn’t think there was a terrible amount of enthusiasm for Deduno before he got hurt, given his massive control issues. The fact that he’ll be 25 next year and hasn’t even amassed a full season in AA doesn’t help either. Are you more optimistic?

by ajake57 on Dec 3, 2008 1:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Marlins

Chris Mobley, Jeff Allison, Greg Burns, Jacob Marceaux

Mobley and Marceaux have a great chance of sticking in someone’s pen

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by Ramp on Nov 20, 2008 11:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Sean west?

From what I see, he signed ON his 19th birthday which would make him eligible.

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by doublestix on Nov 21, 2008 1:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Allison

could be a good pickup talent wise…just not sure with his background that being picked would be the best thing personally

by NYSOX on Nov 24, 2008 10:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

how is he doing w/ his comeback

evidently hamilton spoke to him at some point last year…

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 24, 2008 12:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is there...

anyone with a high ceiling, but has fallen out with their current team. Someone who could be the next Josh Hamilton.

by joegonzo on Nov 21, 2008 12:20 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Which begs the question, if we know about someone like that in our team's organization,

why would we post it on the internet before the draft?

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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 21, 2008 12:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Eh, let's not kid ourselves here

Teams really ought to be cognizant of this stuff without going to fansite blogs.

I fully plan on posting a “Your Team Should Really Take James Skelton in the Rule 5 Draft and Here’s Why” post at BtBS sometime before the Winter Meetings…

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by PaulThomas on Nov 21, 2008 12:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Post some kind of note when you do

I’d like to read that one.

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by gatling on Nov 21, 2008 12:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The A's must have been cognizant of Joakim Soria but if they really had Hamilton on their

radar, did the analysis and decided that Goleski was a better pick, they need to replace their analyst. If they just missed him, it’s sort of excusable.

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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 21, 2008 2:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hamilton

was a pretty unique situation, not fair to judge any GM for picking or not picking him.

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by t ball on Nov 24, 2008 11:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

wasnt hamilton taken first anyway?

by cubs and traded to reds?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 24, 2008 12:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yes

He was sold to the Reds for 100k.

by rglass44 on Nov 24, 2008 3:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No

The Rays had the first pick, selected Goleski (who was traded to the A’s), and the Cubs took Hamilton third or fourth I believe.

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by Brickhaus on Nov 25, 2008 8:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why is it not fair to judge a GM by his performance in unique situations?

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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 26, 2008 8:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Because it doesnt tell us anything about him

Are we to interpret this as 29 GMs being too dense to see Hamilton coming…? Or does it make more sense to say Jon Daniels did a hell of a job here?

Its not a unique criticism of any GM. That’s the issue.

by alskor on Nov 27, 2008 3:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

It was Krivsky that made the deal to get Hamilton in the draft. Then Hamilton was flipped to Texas after the 2007 season.

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by gatling on Nov 28, 2008 2:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The aforementioned

Jeff Allison

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 21, 2008 10:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s who I immediately thought of.

Am I mad, in a coma, or back in time? Whatever's happened, it's like I've landed on a different planet. Now, maybe if I can work out the reason, I can get home.

by Lyle on Nov 24, 2008 9:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Seems like Tampa Bay has some talent unprotected

P Eduardo Morlan
1B/3B Chris Nowak
P Neal Frontz
P Chris Mason

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 21, 2008 10:18 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

didnt JS like morlan going into this year?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 24, 2008 12:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

and he even made the Futures Game roster, this year, so “insiders” like him a lot, too.

by BobbyMac on Nov 24, 2008 3:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Morlan

Wasn’t overly healthy this year, thus the sagging enthusiasm worldwide.

by aCone419 on Nov 25, 2008 4:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Morlan

that’s a surprise, I can’t imagine he won’t be taken.

Also surprised that the Rays would protect Ryu, Salas, and Dan Johnson.

by AndrewTorrez on Nov 21, 2008 11:39 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

That is a surprise

He’s got to get taken, right?

by alskor on Nov 21, 2008 1:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not if he's still throwing 88 topping out at 92

like he was most of the year.

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by Tyler on Nov 21, 2008 11:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think he's easily worth it.

He was still successful with his lesser fastball, certainly enough so to fill a mopup role. If his fastball comes back, you’ve got a shutdown reliever. If it doesn’t, well, he was FREE.

by DrunkIrish on Nov 22, 2008 2:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

It’s definitely worth it to bring him in and see if you can get the velocity back.

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by doublestix on Nov 22, 2008 5:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I’d like to see the Tigers or maybe the Mets take him. He seems like the kind of low risk, high reward pickup a team needs to make to rebuild a bullpen.

by demondeaconsbaseball on Dec 1, 2008 12:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mark McCormick

The Cardinals left McCormick off the 40 man roster, understandably.

The former supplemental 1st round pick from Baylor can still throw gas with a great curveball, he just can’t enough strikes and has arm problems.
I think a team could take him, stick him in the pen and either get innings from him throwing mid 90s with maybe a little better control for just one inning or they’ll stash him on the DL for most of the year just to get him in their system.
He’d be worth a spring training look, IMO.

by UncleBuck44 on Nov 21, 2008 4:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i remember thinking that guy would be solid for some major league team

when he was with baylor…

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 24, 2008 12:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Daniel Mayora was left unprotected by the Rockies

He’s among our top 20 prospects and could be a decent middle infield pick-up for an out of contention club, but at only the A level, he might be too far away for teams to take. Andrew Johnston is a quality relief arm with a plus sinker.

by Rox Girl on Nov 21, 2008 8:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Too far

I think teams are okay with picking up low level pitchers, but hitters are pretty rare.

Andrew Johnston won’t get picked. A 24 year old who strikes no one out and struggles in AA won’t get picked.

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by hallofamer2000 on Nov 21, 2008 11:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Steven Register got picked by the Mets last season

Also 24 but with less of an out pitch than Johnston. A couple of old relief prospects always seem to get picked, it’s just a matter of if they get kept.

by Rox Girl on Nov 21, 2008 11:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cubs haven't been mentioned

Nate Spears – Been around forever, but isn’t old. Had a solid AA campaign this year. Possible utility player. I think there’s a shot he gets taken, although I thought the same about Diory Hernandez last year.

Donald Veal – Never found the control. That said, still a solid curve by most accounts. If he still has his fastball velo, then maybe someone thinks they can fix the mechanical issues with him and that he can be a power pen lefty. There were some reports, I think, late in the year, that said his velocity had dipped. I think he gets taken.

Edward Campusano – Lefty pen arm. There’s a chance. Detroit took him a couple years back.

Russ Canzler – Had a strong finish to the year. Doubt someone takes him, but it’s not impossible.

Jesse Estrada – Eh, I doubt it, but I wanted to get 5 in there.

by toonsterwu on Nov 22, 2008 12:28 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Spears looks interesting

I bet he is gritty

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 22, 2008 1:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Indians

Cleveland has 3 that will garner some looks

Lofgren – A lefty starter who was inching up the prospect list yet had a terrible 2008 AA and AFL season. He needs some mechanical work. Yet, someone might stash him in as a lefty specialist in the pen.

Brown – Won the minor league player of the year in Carolina and Eastern leagues. Yet, is coming off a mediocre 2008 season in Buffalo. He is a 1b with more of an average than pop.

Head – A 2nd round draft pick that had a bad 2006 and 2007 season. Yet, hit .290 or so in Akron this year. He can play 1b or LF and got some pop into his swing late this year.

Some others maybe Newsome (righty specialist) and Wagner (hard throwing reliever).

by Petes999 on Nov 22, 2008 3:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Head

I went to a Keys game and saw Jared Head hit a monster home run. I also love that name!

by Orioles77 on Nov 22, 2008 4:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Petes999 is referring to Stephen Head, not Jared Head

by APV on Nov 22, 2008 10:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There are so many heads!

by Orioles77 on Nov 23, 2008 4:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Brown may have some injury issues

that will make teams re-consider. Lofgren’s personal problems may not be resolved by ST but he was once rated as the #2 in the system. Head looks like a quality pickup. Excellent fielder at 1B and both OF corners. Some pop and decent idea of strike zone. Wagner may get a look at some weaker teams.

by sdtribefan on Nov 24, 2008 9:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Anybody know the Braves?

I’m kind of intrigued by Eric Campbell, and I’ve seen Ka’aihue suggested in a few other places.

Also, anybody know anything about Ernesto Mejia? That’s a nice little power season he had at Myrtle…

by Vlad on Nov 23, 2008 12:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't see how any of those guys stick on a 25-man roster next year.

KK has the best chance of those mentioned (still not good), but J.C. Holt may the best pick if someone wants a piece of the Braves’ farm in the Rule V.

by parish on Nov 24, 2008 4:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Campbell is less ready...

…than Jose Bautista was, and Bautista stuck. Stunk while doing it, granted, but still stuck.

by Vlad on Nov 25, 2008 2:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

does j brent cox get picked?

he looked like a solid fast track type yrs ago

by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 23, 2008 7:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Injury issues

He got hurt last year and really struggled with his command/control this season. Someone not in contention I could see taking a flyer and hoping he sorts it out – his upside is a strong 7th-8th inning guy, which everyone wants.

by OccamsRazor on Nov 23, 2008 8:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

didnt he have TJ as well?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 24, 2008 12:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Brien Taylor?

You mean the Yankee kid?

by JRTwins on Nov 29, 2008 11:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Draft info

Can someone tell me the day of the draft and the draft order? How do they determine the draft order? Same as the the rule 4 draft?

by babaoriley7 on Nov 24, 2008 3:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

December 7

Reverse order of finish from the previous year.

by rglass44 on Nov 24, 2008 3:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

December 11th

Last day of the meetings in Las Vegas. Remember, you can only draft if you have an opening, so for ex the Rays move up since they do. I think 8 teams (when I looked last week, correct me if wrong) had a full 40-man, so they don’t really “count” even if they are technically above the Rays in order of finish.

http://www.raysprospects.com/

by DAM on Nov 24, 2008 7:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yep

you just can’t add folks between whenever the deadline was last week and the Rule 5 draft unless they were not in your org at the time. Meaning if you pick a guy off waivers or sign a FA during that period they still can, and HAVE TO, be added to your 40man.

by nms on Nov 25, 2008 1:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

question....

Let me ask the flip side of the question—what teams have roster space to draft a rule V and who is likely to pick up somebody?

by DenverBears on Nov 25, 2008 5:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Mets

will probably draft a reliever or two. Hopefully Morlan.

by supermets on Nov 26, 2008 2:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thoughts on Rule 5 from DePo

Linky

When weighing the risk of a player getting taken, it can be counterintuitive. It would seem logical that the best way to protect a player would be to put him on the 40-man roster. That is often, but not always, the case. Sometimes, for players who are borderline roster considerations, you may be safer by leaving him OFF the 40-man. The reason is that if he’s taken in the Rule V, he has to stay in the Majors or else be offered back. However, if for some reason (add a free agent, add someone through trade, need someone during the season due to injury) you need to add a player to the 40-man at a later date, you may be forced to outright someone to make room. When you outright a first year roster player, he still has all of his minor league options, so teams can claim him and send him right into their minor league system. In short, it’s much easier to lose a player trying to remove him from the 40-man than it is to lose him via the Rule V draft.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Nov 26, 2008 3:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

Thanks for posting that. I have had the same thoughts, but I wasn’t sure if I was on the right track. I wonder if all the GM’s are as shrewd on this point as Paul is.

by sharksrog on Nov 29, 2008 4:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Baseball Analysts Take
Baseball Analysts: Rule 5 Draft

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Nov 26, 2008 2:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Mock Rule 5 draft!

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Dec 2, 2008 3:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Whoa

New definition for geek.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 3, 2008 1:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Geek?

You say that like it’s a bad thing.

(bites the heads off chickens)

"That is like saying my ‘upside’ is Brad Pitts face, with Einstein’s brain, and Ron Jeremy’s unit. It is nice to dream, but that ceiling isn’t going to happen." (King Billy Royal)

by drjayphd on Dec 4, 2008 1:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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