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Washington Nationals Farm System Discussion

Keeping with the Virginia/Maryland theme, I'm now working on the Washington Nationals farm system.

Yuck!

Here is a thread to discuss this system. Feel free to suggest sleepers.

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Seeing as the organization hasn’t produced a good starting pitcher from the first round since Bill Gullickson in 1977, I’d seriously consider setting a voodoo fire to the scouting office.

by StickRat on Nov 19, 2008 11:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Did Ken Hill come out of the system or did they acquire him? I can’t remember.

by Lunkwill Fook on Nov 19, 2008 11:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just did the research myself. Ken Hill drafted by Detroit. Even Jeff Fassero came from the St. Louis system. Although they DID produce Kirk Reuter who was a decent starter for a good long time.

by Lunkwill Fook on Nov 19, 2008 11:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Randy Johnson, ahem. Drafted by the Expos in the 2nd round of the 1985 draft. He was an all-star in his first full season with the Mariners.

by Patrick Clark on Nov 19, 2008 12:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Unit

They procuded Randy Johnson as well, who was a second-round pick. They’ve just washed out on so many first rounders, it’s mind boggling. In 30 years, you figure they could have just thrown a dart per year at the 30 best prospects in a given draft and hit at least one starting pitcher of consequence. I’m almost rooting against Ross Detwiler because it’s good schtick. BTW, Kirk Rueter is spelt ‘u’ before ‘e’. I’m not a big spelling nut. Kirk Rueter’s name is just a personal crusade of mine.

by StickRat on Nov 19, 2008 12:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Does it matter if it’s not pronounced the way it’s spelled?

by Lunkwill Fook on Nov 19, 2008 12:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cliff Lee

Cliff Lee drafted by the Expos in 2000 and played on the farm for 3 year. He’s kind of a starting pitcher….. 08 AL Cy Young. Another one they let go

by Senatorsfansunite on Nov 20, 2008 3:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fourth rounder

I’m not saying they haven’t produced some good pitchers. Charlie Lea, Mark Gardner, and Javier Vazquez all came from the Expos system. However, they are cursed in the first round when it comes to pitching. They had three consecutive Top 6 picks from 2000-02 with Justin Wayne, Josh Karp, and Clint Everts. If you can’t hit with three consecutive Top 6 picks, time to set a voodoo fire.

by StickRat on Nov 20, 2008 4:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agree

Guess I should have looked at which round Lee was picked in, my mistake.

Pitching prospects are so difficult to project how they will turn out. It’s only a matter of time before the nationals get something right….I guess.

by Senatorsfansunite on Nov 20, 2008 4:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well the alternative

is the M’s which is pretty poor as well, as they’re almost surely making him a reliver

by RollingWave on Nov 19, 2008 10:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jack McGeary, LHP

Big lefty out of my neck of the woods (Mass). He was drafted in the 6th by the Nats due to signability issues because of a commitment to Stanford, but was considered a first round talent. Doesn’t overpower (88-92 mph fastball), but he shows good command and control of the zone. Very advanced pitching intellect for someone his age. Smooth and fluid delivery. Strong potential for his secondary offerings (curve & change).

He didn’t play at all in 2007, but he started 2008 in rookie ball for the GCL Nationals, posting a 3.16 ERA while compiling a 61/10 K/BB ratio in 51 1/3 innings.

One of my favorite sleepers in the minors (maybe a homer thing, but I still believe in this kid).

by soxkid on Nov 19, 2008 12:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

oh

almost forgot to add his very impressive 68% GB

by soxkid on Nov 19, 2008 12:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sleeper?

He’s probably the best prospect in the system.

by mrkupe on Nov 19, 2008 4:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Which on the Nationals probably makes him a sleeper

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by OldProspects on Nov 20, 2008 11:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

those weren’t his stats, check again

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by Dominatio on Nov 21, 2008 5:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A long way to go

The only thing I can say is that it’s better than what showed up in 2005.

From the 2005 draft … there isn’t much left on the farm that hasn’t already made their debut (Zimmerman, Lannan, Maxwell, and Estrada). None of the rest of those guys (Daniel, Brown, Pahuta, Stammen, & Spradlin)

The 2006 draft has a bunch of younger guys who would have been draft eligible as collegians in 2009. Not sure how many of them would have been premium guys. Marrero is bouncing back from injury and seems a 1B/DH. Englund never got on track. The bat I still hold out hope for is Stephen King. As for arms, Willems seems to have stagnated. They turned Gibson into Dukes. VanAllen, Zinicola, & Carr all seem back of the bullpen options … at best.

From 2007 … Smolinski & Dean (along with Bonifacio) went for Willingham/Olsen. Burgess has some promise but those K numbers are scary. Not sure about Souza. Norris had a breakout year for Vermont but projecting catchers at that age is tough. Rhinehart started off 2008 strong but I’m not sure he’s anything better than a bench guy. They really need Detwiler to rebound after a lost 2008, but it’s no sure thing.Smoker pitched a whole year with a bad shoulder which was operated on in the off-season. Hopefully the Nats can get McGeary to commit full-time to baseball and not split it with Stanford. Alaniz is nothing special. Zimmermann might end up the best pick out of that draft.

The Nats are banking their 2008 draft on Hood & Nieto developing into solid regulars. Espinosa is a guy I like. None of the pitchers really enthrall.

From the international population … all of the full-season guys seem like bench guys or relief pitchers. Maybe Smiley Gonzalez or Marcos Frias from the complex league, but other than that I just don’t know. Their DSL teams were pretty old for the competition.

by NFA Brian on Nov 19, 2008 12:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

2008 draft

Don’t forget JP “Consolation Prize” Ramirez.

by aCone419 on Nov 19, 2008 2:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I put him in the same boat as

someone like Stephen King. Has potential but still a long way away from being a realistic consideration. He hit well in his limited exposure but it will be interesting to see what happens in 2009 when he faces older more experienced players, likely in Vermont.

by NFA Brian on Nov 19, 2008 2:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I ask this every year and I feel obligated again...

Is Clint Everts still alive?

I know the system is greatly improved, so he has no shot at the top 20.

Still, his numbers were pretty good if you ignore that he was 24 repeating a level (High A) he’s already been at 3 times.

by SenorGato on Nov 19, 2008 12:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

They moved him to the pen

He was inconsistent. He’d have two or three impressive performances in relief, but then follow it up with a bowling shoe ugly outing.

by NFA Brian on Nov 19, 2008 12:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Adrian Alaniz

The Rip Van Winkle of sleepers in the Nats’ system.

by seabass on Nov 19, 2008 3:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

leatherman

Anyone know anything about Dan Leatherman?

by John Sickels on Nov 19, 2008 7:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Leatherman

Signed by the Twins out of a tryout camp in ‘06 after his junior year at WVU. Released in ST ’08 because the Twins didn’t have a spot for him, hooked on with the Nationals and pitched middle relief at Hagerstown. Finesse righty, average stuff.

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by MikeE on Nov 19, 2008 7:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

recent drafts

From 08 draft sleepers Hicks looks interesting, also Atwood has a chance to be another Alaniz (4/5). From what I’ve read JP Ramirez should easily be in the mix for top 20, and Juco 1B/OF John Higley could be a sleeper.

From 07 I like Rhinehart, he’s progressed nicely. Alaniz might have a chance to be a 4/5.

by thebroman on Nov 19, 2008 8:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

if

the Moose makes his retirement offical, a prospect retro?

by RollingWave on Nov 19, 2008 10:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Jordan Zimmerman #1

the rest aren’t even close and aren’t worth a whole lot, Smoker could be good if he is healthy and McGeary possibly if he would focus on baseball, but this system is not looking up

by IHateMitchMustain on Nov 19, 2008 10:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The Nats current system...

…looks like the shambles the Orioles system was in about 8 or 9 years ago.

by basemonkey on Nov 19, 2008 11:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

David Wallace

AAA catcher for Columbus. OK, not really a prospect, but I just had to hype the only professional baseball player I know personally.
His defense is probably major league ready, but his bat is AHEM not quite there????

The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. It reminds us of all that once was good, and that could be again.

by Savoy on Nov 19, 2008 11:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

LOL

“His defense is probably major league ready, but his bat is AHEM not quite there????”

if we all had a nickle for everytime we heard that about a catcher…lol

by cubsfan1 on Nov 20, 2008 12:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fastballs

If only the pitchers would throw fastballs every pitch, then I am fairly certain he could hit .350!!! It’s all the other pitches that make hitting so hard!

The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. It reminds us of all that once was good, and that could be again.

by Savoy on Nov 20, 2008 10:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Another minor league free agent

Not officially part of the organization

by NFA Brian on Nov 20, 2008 6:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

Didn’t realize he was a free agent. Last I heard, the Indians were interested in bringing him on as a minor league coach.

The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. It reminds us of all that once was good, and that could be again.

by Savoy on Nov 20, 2008 10:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Zimmerman

I think he is a fairly overlooked prospect I really dont think the system is that bad…there are at least 8 or so worse. I hope it gets better because there AAA team is now in my town..

by NYSOX on Nov 20, 2008 1:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i agree...

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by doublestix on Nov 20, 2008 5:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Davis, Baez, Diaz, Rhinehart and Padilla

These guys are doing well in winter ball. Davis and Rhinehart were in the mix of prospects, but how about the other three. Padilla’s old, but he’s hitting. Baez and Diaz or holding their own at winter play… (Brian you out there, can you break them down for us.)

by Berndaddy on Nov 20, 2008 5:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Diaz & Padilla are minor league free agents

They could be back but are pressently not a part of the organization.

Baez seems like a fourth or fifth outfielder at best.

Davis could be a sleeper, though it seems more likely he turns into a Ronnie Belliard-lite type of guy

by NFA Brian on Nov 21, 2008 8:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ROGEARVIN BERNADINA

between AA/AAA .335/.400/.490 9 54 41 sb 101/47 k/bb ratio

Kind of a breakout season of sorts, toolsy guy, above average speed, superb athlete, plus defender in CF, strong arm, very accurate, decent raw power…hitability has been called into question and hasnt translated his power to use in games, gets under the ball to much, needs to use his speed…in the oylmpic qualifer for the neatherlands in 07 632/759/1.052…..has has solid OBP in the minors does K a bit to much (21 times in 76Ab in his brief call up this year)……..really a guy who had stagnated and had been sliding down the Nationals prosect radar but had a nice year…looks like probly a 4th OF guy maybe a fringe-average everyday player…….

really intrested to see if John has him in or near his top 10…..in a barren Nationals system he could crack the top 10 probly will get a chance to win a spot in spring training

by cubsfan1 on Nov 20, 2008 6:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Justin Maxwell

He’ll be 25 next year, but he had a very solid 2007 across A/A+ ball, and had a 31/28 BB/K rate last year in AA before going down with a wrist injury and missing most of the season. He’s also doing pretty well in the Puerto Rican Winter League coming off the injury, with a .206/.364/.559 line and a solid 9/13 BB/K ratio.

Granted, OF is the area where the Nats actually have any sort of depth, but he looks like he might be ready to contribute to the big club (or serve as trade fodder).

by jibs on Nov 21, 2008 12:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yes!

This guy has had terrible luck with injuries, mostly HBP-related I think. However, he’s shown a nice combination of tools and skills when healthy. I’m expecting him to contribute some at the big-league level this season, whether it’s with Washington or not.

by horns91 on Nov 21, 2008 6:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No!

Well, ok, he’s definitely in their top 10, but a .206 avg doesn’t scream “ready for the bigs” after losing the year in AA to injury.

I know this system is thin, but there’s nothing I’ve seen in his numbers that says he’s anything more than Sept callup fodder for 2009.

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by kings33 on Nov 21, 2008 10:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Look harder

His 2008 Harrisburg numbers were solid, only his batting average :“looks” bad, and that was depressed by a pretty low .246 BABIP. The K/BB numbers are what really stand out though, anybody with a 1:1 K/BB ratio is doing something right at the plate.

His .206 average in winter ball is easily overlooked by the fact he’s hitting with power (probably the biggest question coming off of that injury) and getting on base. He’s got a freakin .922 OPS. Granted, he’s got a lot of strikeouts, but it’s pretty reasonable to expect a guy to have some struggles getting back in the swing of things after a wrist injury. It’s a preposterously small sample size, but there’s a lot more to like about his OBP and SLG than there is to dislike about his AVG.

He could absolutely come out and have a solid first half in AA/AAA and be “ready” for some major league action by midseason, whether he actually gets that opportunity or not.

by jibs on Nov 21, 2008 11:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Talent

He has talent but his problem has always been staying healthy. I watched him in Harrisburg in 08 and he struggled at times. He hit .233 with 7 HR’s in 43 games at Harrisburg before the wrist injury.

My guess is he will start back at Double-A Harrisburg in 09.

Sickels had him ranked 4th last year, guessing he will still be in the top 10 on the new list.

by Senatorsfansunite on Nov 21, 2008 10:36 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I await...

… on pins & needles for Shairon Martis’ grade for my draft board.

by The Colonel on Nov 21, 2008 6:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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