Community Prospect List: #43
by King Billy Royal on Nov 10, 2008 5:17 PM EST
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After 280 votes Jeremy Hellickson has been declared the winner with 19% of the vote. Freddie Freeman came in second place with 14%. Reid Brignac, Matt Dominguez, and Jordan Zimmermann will be removed from the poll as they received less than the 5% minimum. Jose Tabata, Ben Revere, Carlos Carrasco, and Gordon Beckham will be added to the poll. If you wish to vote other just list the person below. This way we're not wasting a spot.
1. MATT WIETERS - C (Baltimore)
2. DAVID PRICE - SP (Tampa Bay)
3. JASON HEYWARD - OF (Atlanta)
4. TRAVIS SNIDER - OF (Toronto)
5. MADISON BUMGARNER - SP (San Francisco)
6. COLBY RASMUS - OF (St. Louis)
7. CAMERON MAYBIN - OF (Florida)
8. TREVOR CAHILL - SP (Oakland)
9. NEFTALI FELIZ - SP (Texas)
10. MATT LAPORTA - 1B/OF/DH (Cleveland)
11. MIKE MOUSTAKAS - 3B (Kansas City)
12. TIM ALDERSON - SP (San Francisco)
13. PEDRO ALVAREZ - 3B (Pittsburgh)
14. RICK PORCELLO - SP (Detroit)
15. DEXTER FOWLER - OF (Colorado)
16. BRETT ANDERSON - SP (Oakland)*
17. DEREK HOLLAND - SP (Texas)
18. ANDREW McCUTCHEN - OF (Pittsburgh)
19. BUSTER POSEY - C (San Francisco)
20. CHRIS TILLMAN - SP (Baltimore)
21. LARS ANDERSON - 1B (Boston)
22. JUSTIN SMOAK - 1B (Texas)
23. THOMAS HANSON - SP (Atlanta)
24. ELVIS ANDRUS - SS (Texas)
25. ANGEL VILLALONA - 1B (San Francisco)
26. JHOULYS CHACIN - SP (Colorado)
27. BRIAN MATUSZ - SP (Baltimore)
28. ERIC HOSMER - 1B (Kansas City)
29. TIM BECKHAM - SS (Tampa Bay)
30. MAX RAMIREZ - C/1B (Texas)
31. JARROD PARKER - SP (Arizona)
32. MICHAEL STANTON - OF (Florida)
33. MAT GAMEL - 3B (Milwaukee)
34. JESUS MONTERO - C (New York)
35. BRETT WALLACE - 3B (St. Louis)
36. JORDAN SCHAFER - OF (Atlanta)
37. WADE DAVIS - SP (Tampa Bay)
38. LOGAN MORRISON - 1B (Florida)
39. CARLOS SANTANA - C (Cleveland)
40. FERNANDO MARTINEZ - OF (New York)
41. JAMES McDONALD - SP (Los Angeles)
42. JEREMY HELLICKSON - SP (Tampa)
CANDIDATES - Josh Vitters, Freddie Freeman, Carlos Triunfel, Yonder Alonso, Chris Carter, Jake Arrieta, Ben Revere, Carlos Carrasco, Jose Tabata, Gordon Beckham
TESTERS - Greg Halman, Phillippe Aumont, Michael Saunders, Austin Jackson, Alcides Escobar, Wilmer Flores, Michael Bowden, Brett Cecil, Chris Perez, Jeff Samardzija, Reid Brignac, Jordan Zimmermann, Matt Dominguez
Please post more ideas for testers and we will consider them
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Alonso is the clear choice for me here
…and i guess the sheep will follow John to the slaughterhouse with Briggy.
such a shame.
but hey, let’s keep voting on first baseman like Alonso, Freeman, Vitters. wooo
by daveh33 on Nov 10, 2008 5:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I love Briggy
I really think John missed the boat on this one. Shortstops who have decent power and a good glove deserve more respect.
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by King Billy Royal on Nov 10, 2008 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with you muchly
i think the fact that Barlett was the “MVP” of the best AL team of 2008 really echoes what a good defensive SS can do for a ballclub. I’m not saying Briggy is Bartlett right now, but in a couple eyars who knows.
throw in Briggy’s power, (which Bartlett can only dream of), and I will shed a tear if he falls out of the Top 50.
by daveh33 on Nov 10, 2008 5:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
except Bartlett isn’t a good defensive shortstop. But outside of that, you are right.
by dougdirt on Nov 10, 2008 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well i decided to check to make sure i wasn't just saying that.
by daveh33 on Nov 10, 2008 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bartlett was only +1 in Dewan's system
www.raysprospects.com
Trade for Billy Butler!
by Imperialism32 on Nov 10, 2008 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think I am
http://jinaz-reds.blogspot.com/2008/10/preliminary-2008-total-value-estimates.html
Justin’s system rates Bartlett at +0.2 runs.
http://www.baseballmusings.com/archives/030070.php
PMR has him barely over average
Dewan has him at +1.
He is average defensively. That doesn’t make him good. Back to the original point though, the fact that Bartlett was named the Rays MVP is about as bad as Nate McLouth winning a gold glove.
by dougdirt on Nov 10, 2008 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
was it a down year?
for him to be ranked higher than GG winner Rollins…. while we all know those awards are kind of a farce, I still think he qualifies as “good”… the systems rank him as average, but compared to his everyday playing peers, he was above average.
looking over that list again, I thought Betancourt would be much higher based on what I hear… so I guess Barlett isn’t the most over-rated…. and what the hell happened to Tulo? I know he was injured, but damn. well below Jeter
by daveh33 on Nov 10, 2008 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup. Fielding Bible says...
http://www.billjamesonline.net/fieldingbible/2006-2008-plus-minus-leaders.asp
+30 over last 3 years.
by acerimusdux on Nov 10, 2008 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Other...
Brett Cecil
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by Boxkutter on Nov 10, 2008 5:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i'm with ya
i voted carlos carrasco, but i’d have cecil ahead of him.
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by variablesdont on Nov 10, 2008 6:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Triunfel
No one’s made much of a case for him yet, but I think he’s going to stick at 2B and I think he’s the middle infield answer to F-Mart, without the same persistent health problems. I like his upside.
by aap212 on Nov 10, 2008 5:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
As an M's fan...
I like Triunfel. But I want to see one more year of improvement from him before I drink the Kool-Aid. I want to see how he does in AA to see if it’s for real. Fowler and Andrus made a believer of me by what they did in AA, and F-Mart has shown me that he won’t be more than a 4th OF or an average corner OF (my projection) by what he has done in AA. Now let’s see what Carlos can do… until then though, I can’t put him above #50.
"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile
by Boxkutter on Nov 10, 2008 6:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
Pretty stupid to say Fernando will be a 4th OF at this point.
by supermets on Nov 10, 2008 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
It’s almost as ridiculous as calling Vitters a 1B.
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by WayneCampbell08 on Nov 11, 2008 12:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Production
I have severe doubts about Triunfel’s bat developing. He is the developing the proper physique to be a future power hitter but I think his production will be limited by his swing and approach at the plate. He also has had questions brought up about his work ethic with the mysterious suspension he recieved. He really needs to produce more and at a park besides High Desert.
by tdot mariner fan on Nov 10, 2008 6:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking with Zduriencik in charge
The M’s won’t be rushing their prospects as much as they have been. He’s probably one of the best with player development so I’m thinking a lot is going to change in that department. I mean Triunfel is the youngest player in his league by a decent margin. And he does have the highest cieling of anyone in the M’s system. That along with his very impressive second half, I could put him around here on the list.
by Scrupio on Nov 11, 2008 12:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
He finally got a chance to show that he can hit and did not dissapoint. Him playing in the Northwest League is not really a negative for it is usually filled with recently drafted college players who are more experienced then he is.
by tdot mariner fan on Nov 10, 2008 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+2
he’s been my choice for a while now.
by PrincetonCubs on Nov 10, 2008 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tabata tester
If he was still in NY, there would be an outcry. Would like to see a Tabata tester around 50. He had a nice turn around once dealt to Pittsburgh.
by ByANose on Nov 10, 2008 8:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
criteria
I asked this on the thread for #42 and didn’t get an answer, probably because a winner was declared soon after. Are we using any sort of eligibility criteria that would make not eligible a player although he would be eligible for ROY for next year. For example Teagarden. Obviously, he had a very poor hitting year in the minors but the Rangers are excited about him as their regular catcher and others seem to want him, so if eligible I think he is worth considering.
by Dalman on Nov 10, 2008 8:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Teagarden
In that event we are overdue for Teagarden.
by Dalman on Nov 10, 2008 11:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think it's Carter's time.
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by hero66 on Nov 11, 2008 12:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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