Delmon Young
by Filthies on Oct 8, 2008 6:04 PM EDT
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The Twins are willing to trade left fielder Delmon Young following the emergence of rookie outfielder Denard Span this season.
-per one of today's BP articles
Although its just speculation, I find this pretty interesting. Based off his small amount of MLB plate appearances this year, Span fits the organization's slap hitting/small ball strategy with a good OBP and SB skills, which at this point are more than Delmon has to offer. I believe that Delmon did improve his ISO power and OBP this year but at the same time didnt put up expected statistics that corner OF are expected to produce (at least in regards to power). With Gomez, Span, Cuddyer and Kubel also on the team and 2008 stand out Ben Revere and other toolsy prospects like Hicks in the wings are the Twins giving up on Delmon after 1 year or are they just shopping to see what kind of value he still has. They could improve at 3B and the bullpen but SP is pretty solid (Liriano, Slowey, Baker, Perkins and Blackburn) and plus they gave up Garza for him before the season started.
First time poster here, would like to see what other people think.
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i like to think
every GM in the league will listen to offers for 95% of his players. Not shopping a Delmon Young would be a bad move in the long run.
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by Trobone on Oct 8, 2008 7:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Terrible ISO
You should look these things up. His ISO was 115. I’m not saying there’s no chance he’ll be a star, but I think a Jose Guillen type career path is his likely upside at this point.
by aap212 on Oct 8, 2008 7:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i said that a year ago and got slammed for it
when in reality, so long his peak is a bit longer, is not that bad. not a star, but hardly bad.
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by doublestix on Oct 8, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And heck, he's already as good a defender at 22 as JoGui is at 32!
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by devil_fingers on Oct 11, 2008 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most 22 year olds are much better defenders than most 32 year olds..
and this case is no different. Jose Guillen is a lousy outfielder.
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by PaulThomas on Oct 12, 2008 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a joke by d_f
And his point was they both suck at defense. And he’s right.
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by doublestix on Oct 12, 2008 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For a 22 year old in the majors
that’s not terrible. Especially considering what he did 3 years ago, I’m quite a bit more patient, though I do agree that he seems less likely to be a star than he did a few years ago
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by OldProspects on Oct 9, 2008 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they should trade Gomez
They need to put Span in center. Get rid of Gomez who K’d over 140 times and walked 25 times all year.
by Bravesin07 on Oct 8, 2008 7:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why would someone else trade FOR Gomez?
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by PaulThomas on Oct 8, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd trade for him
The guy might be raw, but he’s a star in the making. Everytime I saw the guy, I left impressed. Obviously he has a ton of work to do and needs to compact his swing a little and get better K-zone judgement. But the dude can fly, plays a pretty good CF and has tools coming out of the wazoo. Don’t forget, he’s only 22. If this is his peak, I’d agree. But he’s only scratching the surface of his potential.
IMO, the Twins should hold onto both OF’s and let them develop.
by joltinjoe on Oct 8, 2008 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Delmon
Young was Only 22 this year too.
1941 .406
by FrozenTed9 on Oct 8, 2008 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Delmon
Will also spend most of next year as age 22. Both of the guys are decent buy low candidates, but give me Delmon.
by killa on Oct 8, 2008 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He
just turned 23 so that is highly unlikely.
1941 .406
by FrozenTed9 on Oct 8, 2008 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if I had him, I'd trade him to you
because I don’t think he’ll ever be even a passable MLB hitter, forget a star. He has never demonstrated even a minimally competent ability to hit a baseball.
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by PaulThomas on Oct 8, 2008 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not quite right
Yah his overall stats aren’t too great but to say he’s never demonstrated the ability to hit a baseball is just flat out wrong. In September he had a line of .289/.330/.470 hitting line and in May he had a .299/.348/.449 line. Both months right about at an .800 OPS which is pretty damn good for a lights out defensive center fielder. Combine that with his age and I’d say he’s got some damn good potential. Yes these are small sample sizes but so is his major league career as a whole. The point is the guy has had some damn good stretches and the hope would be that he would just become more consistent as the years go on.
AAA might not be the worst option for the guy if he doesn’t perform well early next year. I’m more than willing to see the Twins try that. At the same time he’s not much of a liability batting in the 9 slot and his defense more than makes up for his offensive deficiencies.
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by halfchest on Oct 9, 2008 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Minor league numbers
Go look at his minor league numbers and tell me he ‘never demonstrated even a minimally competant ability to hit a baseball’. Not to mention the guy just turned 22 and has MLB line of a .293 AVG and a .413 SLG. That isn’t too shabby considering most guys his age are in AA or AAA.
Baseball-reference’s top 3 comparables through his age 21 season are Tris Speaker, Rocco Baldelli, and Roberto Clemente. That is some nice company. People are way to quick to write this guy off, especially with his great minor league success and top notch skills.
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by King Billy Royal on Oct 9, 2008 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gomez
I’m pretty sure it was a reference to Gomez.
by Fanon on Oct 9, 2008 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
Delmon has his issues, but he looks like… well, like Tris Speaker compared to Gomez at the plate.
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by PaulThomas on Oct 9, 2008 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Usain Bolt is impressive when you see him, too
The other thing he and Gomez have in common is that they can’t hit baseball.
by alskor on Oct 9, 2008 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure they would
In retrospect. everyone involved in the Santana rumor except Jon Lester seem to be cursed this year. (well Ellsbury wasn’t bad either)
by RollingWave on Oct 8, 2008 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes he was
89 ops+ = not good
but hes fast!
but he wears a red sox uni!
doesnt that mean he was good? < / sarcasm>
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by knockoutking on Oct 9, 2008 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
89 OPS+ and gold glove caliber defense from CF??
That’s bad to you? You do know OPS+ is not adjusted for position, right? 100 OPS+ is just league average offense. I would also wager without looking that the league average CFer OPS+ was BELOW 89.
Ellsbury was pretty good, period.
/absolutely no sarcasm intended.
by alskor on Oct 9, 2008 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
Ichiro, Torii Hunter, Josh Hamilton, Curtis Granderson, Grady Sizemore, Nick Swisher, Vernon Wells, Coco Crisp (he played more innings in CF than Jacoby did) and BJ Upton all had an OPS+ higher than 89.
(I looked at the guys that played the most innings in CF for each team, so yes, I am aware that Ichiro was moved to right, and that there are several teams that had several starters in CF throughout the season)
Adam Jones, Carlos Gonzalez, Joey Gathright, Melky Cabrera and Carlos Gomez are the only starting CF in the AL with an OPS+ under 89. All those guys (sans Gathright and maybe Cabrera) are young, former top prospects that should get much better offensively. The only guy on that list that shouldn’t improve offensively is Gathright.
Sooo … 9 starters with a higher than 89 OPS+, 5 with a lower than 89 OPS+. 4 of whom are under 24, and should get better offensively. To sum it up, Ellsbury wasn’t very good last year.
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by Humongo on Oct 9, 2008 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OPS+
tries to paint every player with the same brush. You can’t use the same metric to compare 5-hitters with lead-off men. That’s like saying that Dikembe Mutumbo is a better basketball player than Chris Paul because Mutumbo got more rebounds. Different positions and different spots in the line-up call for different abilities. If Ellsbury had a much higher OPS because he was slugging 500, then he wouldn’t be a lead-off hitter. They would move him down in the line-up where his bat could help the team more. Right now, he helps that team plenty by getting on base and having great speed in front of their better hitters. And he also plays a great defense.
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by Boxkutter on Oct 9, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Load of horses***
-Swisher played as many games at 1B and is terrible on defense.
-Ichiro played 91 in RF, 69 in CF.
-Hamilton is a terrible CFer defensively.
I’ll give you Upton, Wells, Granderson, Hunter and Coco. Ellsbury was still middle of the pack. For a highly touted rookie that is pretty good. No one is claiming he had a great year, but he wasnt nearly as bad as people are making him out to be.
by alskor on Oct 9, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, really
If youre listing Swisher and his 93 OPS+ and atrocious CF defense youre LOOKING for reasons to knock Ellsbury.
I also cant believe youre essentialyl making the claim that CF is a position where the average player will provide ABOVE league average offense. There is simply no way that is true. Ellsbury was a little below average on offense and above average defensively. He still projects to be an excellent CFer and leadoff man. That rookie season was plenty good.
by alskor on Oct 9, 2008 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where did I say that the average CF would provide above average offense?
I said that the average CF would provide better offense than Ellsbury (who was below average), if we’re going to use OPS+ as our means of judging.
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by Humongo on Oct 9, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
The average AL CF had a 98 OPS+ last season (according to Baseball Reference).
So … yeah, in regards to you’re specific comment
I would also wager without looking that the league average CFer OPS+ was BELOW 89.
You were wrong.
I’m not going to sit here and make a case for Nick Swisher or anything, because everything accounted for, Ellsbury was more valuable last season. In fact, looking into some more advanced statistics, he was a better hitter than Swisher last season as well. That’s not the point though.
I was specifically referring to you’re comment on OPS+. I made no reference to defense, basestealing, or any other asset that would make a player valuable, just OPS+.
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by Humongo on Oct 9, 2008 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
People cannot only look at OPS+ when judging a player. This is especially true for players who play a premium defensive position.
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by King Billy Royal on Oct 9, 2008 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Elsbury was
17th overall in OPS in terms of CFers according to ESPN.com.
He was ranked 12th out of qualifying CFers defensively based on the +/- system.
Right now he looks more like a good 4th OFer numbers wise…
Honestly, its hard to really see why he gets all the hype and Brett Gardner isnt even looked at like a starting outfielder…
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by jbluestone on Oct 9, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
17th, 12th...
17th and 12th would be the definition of middle of the pack. not 4th outfielder. a 4th outfielder type would be in the 25 and up range to me.
by mookstra2 on Oct 9, 2008 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Here are the CFers ranked around him
There are 22 qualified CFers
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by jbluestone on Oct 10, 2008 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade For Gomez
So you wouldn’t trade for the best defensive center-fielder in the game, who is only 22 and likely to at least improve somewhat offensively? I’m not saying he’s a star yet, but if you assume his defensive skills are legit and accurately measured (+33 by Dewan), he’s an above-average centerfielder.
by Diggity Dino on Oct 9, 2008 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and btw
+/- is probably one of the best defensive metrics out there
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by knockoutking on Oct 9, 2008 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gomez
was also the best defensive CFer in all of baseball, and his abiltiy and willingness to bunt for a hit allows him to overacheive his expected abatting average based on normal measures.
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by jbluestone on Oct 9, 2008 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
??
and his abiltiy and willingness to bunt for a hit allows him to overacheive his expected abatting average based on normal measures.
So that should raise his average from .220 to .240 as we go forward?
Theyre having him bunt for hits a lot because he had a lot of speed and he cant actually hit – its a negative, not a positive! If he was hitting even .260 they wouldnt have let him bunt for a hit that often.
by alskor on Oct 9, 2008 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you think he can't hit?
He batted .260 this year (.258 to be specific), and you really just dont know what your talking about if your going to claim that him having a tremendous ability to bunt for a hit is a negative.
And since when do we look at a 22 year old kid and assume that what you see is all you will ever get. If that was the case, then you would never see an Arod, who started off with a 62/9 k/bb ratio. in his first 200 plate appearences.
Or a chase utley who at 24 and 25 had an 87 and 93 OPS+
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by jbluestone on Oct 9, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok so let me see
Ellsbury to you = 4th OFer
Gardner and Gomez = future superstars
I guess we’ll see.
by alskor on Oct 9, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean
If Ellsbury, who has the best pedigree and track record of these three, got the benefit of the doubt people seem to give the other two…
but no, everyone seems ready to s*** on him… and why?
He had very good minor league numbers and a pretty good first season in the majors. .280/.336/.394 and a .114 ISO with good defense are really pretty good for a rookie CFer -especially when he messed up his swing (and his shoulder) in the middle of the season. I dont know people expected from this guy. There is also every reason in the world to believe he will better those numbers next year. People just have been doubting Ellsbury since he was in A ball for some reason, and theyre looking for every little downside. So far, all is going according to plan.
I cant wait to see his PECOTAs for next season, which Im confident will show that he’s a great bet to have a long career as an above average MLB CFer. Guys with his minor league numbers, tools, skillset and a rookie season like this Im certain will provide comps that give Ellsbury some very good projections going forward – projections he will meet.
by alskor on Oct 9, 2008 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
careful when mincing words
First off I was saying that his numbers right now say 4th OFer to me.. yet he has this repuatation as a superstar.
As far as pedigree this is exactly what I am talking about with the boston hype on Ellsbury…. Both prospects were ranked top 100 in 2007 on Baseball America… Ellsbury was ranked higher at 33, with Gomez at 60…. So yes, Ellsbury was ranked higher, but they are both pretty high pedigree prospects. Jay Bruce was ranked 14th on that list, behind Chris Young CF, Lincecum ranked behind Phil Hughes, Homer Bailey…. etc. So placement on the list doesnt tell me as much as being on the list.
As far as gardner, i dont see a future superstar, and never said that, but thanks for putting words in my mouth. Carlos Gomez is looked at as a premium 5 tool potential talent.
From his BA Scouting report last year.
Strengths: A true five-tool athlete, Gomez has game-changing speed and a well above-average arm, tools that help make him a premium defender in center field. He also has excellent bat speed that leads to projections of at least average power, if not more.
Kevin Goldstein said this about him
In A Perfect World, He Becomes: An all-star outfielder who nearly matches teammate Jose Reyes on the excitement factor.
Here is what KG said about Ellsbury
Perfect World Projection: An above-average big league center fielder and occasional All-Star.
Gardner in terms of pedigree is not considered in their class… though right now Gardners performance appears to be on par with Ellsburys.
I also think you cant discount the fact that Ellsbury is 25 and Gomez is 22 (thought its closer as gomez will turn 23 in december).
Also Gomez is listed at 6’4" ~200lbs (plenty of room to grow), Ellsbury is no slouch but is 6’1" 185… I dont think that really matters that much, but the point im making is that Gomez is not the punch and judy hitter some are making him out to be… or at least has the tools and physical size to not be that.
Actually Alex Rios is probably a pretty good comparison in terms of tools and size, but having 0 power when he first got called up.
I think Ellsbury has plenty of upside, I think Gomez has plenty of upside maybe more then ellsbury because of the potential for plus power). I do not think Gardner has enough power to have the upside these guys have.. but Gardner has put up similar numbers in AAA to what ellsbury did there, and his aug 15th through end of season numbers are pretty solid. To me this has more to do with me thikning Gardner doesnt get enough love then ellsbury gets too much.
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by jbluestone on Oct 10, 2008 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't Gomez like your favorite player in the whole wide world a year and a half ago?
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by Brickhaus on Oct 8, 2008 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gomez may be the best defensive CFer in the game. He's a freak out there. He's got a long way to go offensively, but his defense and arm are amazing.
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by Tyler on Oct 8, 2008 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boy that Adam Everett sure can field too
I remember when people used to argue that he would hit someday…
by alskor on Oct 9, 2008 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I remember when they said the same thing about Jose Reyes…what morons.
by JayWise on Oct 9, 2008 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Rey Ordonez
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by Boxkutter on Oct 9, 2008 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love this game
But the comp to Reyes is better than Ordonez. Raw talent. Up at a young age. Didn’t do anything in the minor leagues. Survives on speed and defense (great arms, too). Good bat speed. Needs to work on pitch recognition, and the batting practice power will eventually translate to a real game.
by JayWise on Oct 9, 2008 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gomez and Reyes
It’s a good comp, although it obviously makes Gomez’s ceiling much lower, because he’s not a shortstop. But Gomez’s upside is to have Reyes’s offensive game.
by aap212 on Oct 9, 2008 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Center field
Center fielders don’t have to hit too much better than shortstops do, especially when they play amazing defense (with Gomez does). The main reason I was in favor of trading Gomez away from the Mets, ultimately, was that he would never be an everyday center fielder so long as Beltran was around, thus negating a lot of his value. As it stands, he doesn’t need to hit all that well to justify playing center (though he certainly needs to hit better than he did this past year, and I think he should start the year in Triple-A).
by Fanon on Oct 9, 2008 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Generally the average OPS+ difference between CF and SS
is about ten points. That is substantially better. That said, Gomez will out hit Adam Everett and Cesar Izturis, so he is around their comp so far.
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by hazel on Oct 11, 2008 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I agree that CF is an
up the middle position, along with 2B, SS and C, where offensive ability is not always as important as their defensive ability.
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by jbluestone on Oct 12, 2008 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he is HOW old?
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by knockoutking on Oct 9, 2008 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd trade for him
If I were the Royals. Give Mark Teahen, who is fairly comparable offensively but can play 3rd. I’d give another 1-2 porspects as well, nothing great, but enough to sweeten the return. The Twins have excess OFs and Delmon, attitude and all, is the type of talent KC should try to buy low on. Demon just finished his 22 YO season, I think there is plenty of room for growth. My only reservation is having him and Guillen making for a manager’s nightmare. Over their careers, both players have a 162 game average of OPS+ 96.
by killa on Oct 8, 2008 9:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Honest question
Do folks think that Teahen can still play third after two years in the outfield? I’m guessing he can, but I’m just curious. His bat would play a lot better there.
That said, there’s not a chance in hell I’d give up Delmon for Teahen.
by Fanon on Oct 9, 2008 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can
He played there when Gordon was injured this year, and was quite a bit better than I thought he’d be.
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by doublestix on Oct 9, 2008 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
evidently
they aer thinkiing of moving gordon to 1b, teahan to 3b, butler to DH?
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by knockoutking on Oct 9, 2008 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gordon
Yeah, because Gordon’s clearly overachieving with the bat at third…
by Fanon on Oct 9, 2008 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's more "underachieving with the glove"
He’s not Ryan Braun bad, but he’s pretty close.
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by PaulThomas on Oct 9, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And they could have drafted Longoria.
Ouch.
by aap212 on Oct 9, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hindsight at it's finest
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by doublestix on Oct 9, 2008 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say that was obvious at the time
Everyone likes to play the Lincecum hindsight game. The Royals could have had Longoria too. That’s all. I thought the Hochevar pick was awful at the time, but my nod probably would have gone to Andrew Miller, so I would have missed the two best players from the first round, too.
by aap212 on Oct 9, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
my comment wasn’t meant to be snarky. i prefer bats, and went with longoria in my shadow, but that was against the grain at the time.
my pitcher preference was brad lincoln. yikes.
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by doublestix on Oct 9, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every team passed on Albert Pujols for several rounds
before the cardinals took a flyer.
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by hazel on Oct 11, 2008 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
defensive stats suck
he’s not bad at all.
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by doublestix on Oct 9, 2008 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...and your evidence for this is?
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by PaulThomas on Oct 9, 2008 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
other than watching the games and seeing what most scouts said?
what other evidence is there? I don’t trust defensive metrics. I just don’t. It’s the same argument slurve had in the yankees GM thread.
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by doublestix on Oct 9, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And my reaction to that is the same:
Do you attend games in person and watch him, specifically, on every play? Because if not, sorry, I’m going with the metrics and be damned to what you think you’ve seen.
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by PaulThomas on Oct 9, 2008 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go for it
I’ll trust the scouts words. You can trust metrics. I think they suck. But whatever, go for it.
I don’t think it’s possible for a 24 year old, who’s metrics actually showed he was an above average defender last year, to absolutely fall off the cliff defensively.
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by doublestix on Oct 10, 2008 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
doublestix and I have different views on defensive stats, but if he wanted to use them, he could point out that (if I recall correctly) while Gordon has had a rough year defensively at third, UZR, Dewan’s, and Justin Inaz’s +/- conversion of RZR/OOZ all had Gordon a few plays above average last year. Moreover, most of the people who came up with these stats note that (1) it takes at least three years to generate enough data to get a handle on the players true ability, partly because (2) there defensive slumps as just like there are offensive slumps.
We’ll see with Gordon, of course. This year has been pretty bad in the field for him. I think his bat is coming along, although at Royals Review we’re all having trouble being patient.
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by devil_fingers on Oct 13, 2008 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh
I think they’d be better off keeping Delmon, sending Gomez to Triple-A to refine his game, and playing Span in center. I don’t think they’re going to get enough return to justify letting someone with Delmon’s upside go at this point.
by Fanon on Oct 8, 2008 10:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
can they take the PR hit of trading delmon
and giving up on him…after they dealt garza for him?
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by knockoutking on Oct 9, 2008 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They shouldn't care about PR hits
If they get an offer for Delmon that benefits the team (like, say, a 3b with a SLG over .400), they should make a deal. I’m not saying they must trade Delmon, but if a GM refuses a deal that would improve the team based on PR concerns they shouldn’t be running the team.
by jibs on Oct 9, 2008 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fake surplus
It seems the Twins have a surplus of outfielders but I don’t see it that way. They’re putting out lines to see if anyone would bite on either Cuddy or Delmon but I sure hope they wouldn’t trade them unless they were getting good value for them. The Twins have 5 players (Span, Gomez, Kubel, Young, Cuddyer) for four positions (LF, CF, RF, DH) That’s not much of a surplus especially when you consider that Cuddy was injured a lot this past year and the fact that none of them are amazing have to be on the field every day type of guys yet. Kubel isn’t good against left handers. Delmon and Cuddyer aren’t great defenders although they do have amazing arms.
The last point about why they shouldn’t trade any of them is that they don’t have much at AAA for good outfielders. They have Pridie who might be decent to come up and be their 5th guy but not much after that fot at least a year or two. I say hold onto all of them, the only one I’d give up is if they got good value for Cuddyer and I don’t see that happening.
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by halfchest on Oct 9, 2008 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not after they tied him to that lead balloon of a contract
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by PaulThomas on Oct 9, 2008 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Delmon Young
..is a future superstar. Look at his date of birth, build, and stats and you will see!
by schmosterballs92 on Oct 10, 2008 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not buying it
His stats show no power, his age isn’t a guarantee of stardom (paging Jeff Francoeur), and his build looks more like his brother’s every day.
Look at Jose Guillen at the same age and tell me Young is a surefire superstar.
by aap212 on Oct 10, 2008 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's no Justin Upton
I don’t buy it either.
Who's world is it? It's yours.
by BlackOps on Oct 13, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Delmon
He has the build of a power hitter, but he isn’t one. Delmon hit slightly over 2 groundballs per flyball this year. These numbers put him in with alot of speedy infielders and leadoff type guys. I just don’t see him developing his power since he hits alot of groundballs and his plate discipline isn’t very good. Yes, he is only 22 but if the Twins could get a good 3B or SS for them I think they should trade him.
by murraygd13 on Oct 10, 2008 6:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And he's fat. He always had baby fat, but that is now turning into just fat.
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by Tyler on Oct 10, 2008 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus...his brother isn't exactly an Adonis.
by jibs on Oct 11, 2008 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't understand professional athletes who aren't good getting fat. It's not that hard to eat right and work out a little.
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by Tyler on Oct 11, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Delmon
Looks like a pretty solid regular. He certainly has the power and speed combination. I’d say he should have a few 20-20 type seasons.
by RoyalsFan4Life on Oct 13, 2008 10:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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