Shin-Soo Choo
by IllinoisCubs on Oct 6, 2008 1:59 AM EDT
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PrintAll right, I searched the archives to see what has been written about this guy and I couldn't find anything recent.
Very quietly Shin-Soo Choo has put up .309/.397/.549 in 317 ABs with 14 HR and 28 2Bs while starting in LF or RF since the begining of June.
What are your guys' take on him? John had him in his top 50 batters list of 2003. Is he just a slow starter or ready to make a step to above-average/elite OF now that he has a starting job? Maybe he'll be the Carlos Quentin of 2009?
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splits
career
vs right: 913 ops
vs left : 703 ops
kind of sum it up
this year though he managed a .800 OPS against lefty, still it came with a .396 BABIP . and a 26/6 K/BB ratio.
he’s a decent player if he can prove that he’s healthy, but with that sort of split he’ll need some platooning to be truely effective.
Exactly...
He is a platoon player and was used as one this past season. He was a 5-hitter against RHP (240ab) and completely out of the line-up against LHP (77ab). If he can improve against LHP enough though to where he can be a full-time starter, I can see him becoming an annual 280-300 hitter with 25HR and very good OF defense (at least that is his reputation).
"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile
So Curtis Granderson is a platoon player too?
splits
career
vs. right .893
vs. left .667
kind of sums it up?
this year though he managed a .739 OPS against lefty, fine only a .300 BABIP, but a 29/6 K/BB ratio.
See, that doesn’t really sum it up at all. Especially when he played after day this year and hit lefties better in his first year than Ryan Howard did this year.
I’ll grant you that Ryan Howard hit lefties really well in 2006 and it’s possible that Choo snuck up on some lefties and he’ll do even worse than .800 OPS vs. lefties in 2009, but if the Indians are planning to play him every day, he’s NOT a platoon player.
by IllinoisCubs on Oct 6, 2008 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Curtis Granderson is absolutely a platoon player
He’s worth putting on the field because of his defense, but he’s a nine-hole guy against LHSP.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
A .730 OPS?
I suppose most all teams have a worse hitter than that somewhere in their lineup, but it’s not like you’re hoping for one… I mean, would it make a difference if I called him an eight-hole hitter?
Besides, platoon splits yo-yo around for no reason other than luck all the time. I need to see way more than one season before I call it progress— closer to three seasons than one, I’d say.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
A .730 OPS is tolerable
If Granderson is only OPSing .730 against lefties, by all means put him down in the order, but that’s not useless, nor does it make him a platoon player. Again, his defense is good, and more importantly he’s trending in the right direction. Keep in mind Granderson is younger in player development skills because of the weak college program he played in.
well
that’s a good comp, but Granderson is also a CFer with great speed, Choo’s value is almost completely tied up to his bat
Choo, as he prefers to be called, might have some
upside over his performance this year. he and the tribe medical staff said he was only 80% when he returned to the majors and felt another off-season and rehab would have his arm 100% next year. I am not sure he will ever be real successful against LH pitching since he seems to have a difficult time inside but is still agressive in his approach. The fact tht he hits LH mistakes real hard probably accounts somewhat for the high BABIP. He also plays RF far more confidently than LF.
Quentin??
I guess I always looked at Choo as a .290 25hr 90rbi guy at best…. My team is the tribe so if he is the next Quentin then more power to him! Of course he would then be blocking another spot on the team that the REAL next Quentin (matt laporta) could be filling…..
by kershaw_equals_stud on Oct 6, 2008 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
When I said Quentin
I meant a post-prospect guy who had been blocked but finally breaks through. As for .290, 25 HR, 90 RBI, I think that’s dead on as to what I would expect and looking for.
by IllinoisCubs on Oct 6, 2008 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you realize just how optimistic that is?
There’s like one guy per team in MLB who can match that line.
That's good stuff on the inside pitching form lefties/ mistake pitches
I had not read that.
It’s also interesting to note he has a high Line Drive percentage and always has over the years.
These are smallish samples, but he has over 500 ABs and a consistent 22% line drive.
by IllinoisCubs on Oct 6, 2008 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
He is an unusual hitter against LH pitching.
As you commented, he hits line drives down the RF line with regularity when he gets a mistake but he can be pitched to. Against RH pitching he does not have any big holes but a tendency to chase breaking balls down and in. I think your numbers are good but i wonder if the pitchers will adjust to his agressiveness at the plate.
Him and Asdrubal
for Ben Broussard and Eduardo Perez.
Thanks, M’s front office!
Holy hell, that's a bad trade
What on earth was Seattle doing? They weren’t even competitive that season.
Bavasi made a ton of bad trades, but that one might just take the biscuit.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
Man, we thank the M's every day for those two.
I do not want to rub it in but what were they thinking? I suppose it won’t help if we give you Nottingham back. Anybody hear any rumors about a Beltre trade for a LH pitcher, an OF and a mid-level prospect? There has been some talk but nothing of substance in our blogs.
What's the matter Buddy?
Not comfortable going into 2009 with Andy Marte at 3B? LOL. Sorry, just teasing ya a little back. I’m an M’s fan and I can’t explain ANYTHING Bavasi did.
You got that right!!!
When the tribe is in trouble, call on the M’s! I was hoping for a straight up deal for Marte but Seattle is playing hardball. What else have you got for us? Maybe a couple of can’t miss prospects for Marte. A young TOR starter would be helpful too.
And just think...
…the M’s are the same club that gifted you Visquel.
The biscuit
Carlos Guillen to Detroit for Ramon Santiago and some bum. M’s later cut Santiago, Detroit gets him back.
horacio ramirez for rafael soriano
injuries aside, ramirez is mop up for the royals now, and soriano has been lights-out back of the bullpen when healthy….
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
Giving away a relief pitcher
is in no wise close to as bad as giving up two everyday position players.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
on the other hand
we don’t really know if the Ms gave away two everday players in Choo and Cabrera, it looks like they could have though.
by nms on Oct 8, 2008 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
ramirez
royals signed him…got a 2 ERA out of him in about 20 innings, and flipped him to the white sox for a toolsy prospect. he went on to regress as expected.
w/ Royals: 24.1 ip, 2.59 ERA, 11/1 K/BB
w/ White Sox: 13 ip, 7.62 ERA, 2/8 K/BB
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"when healthy"....
being the operative phrase wrt Soriano.
absolutely
but even 25 innings of healthy soriano for the whole trade would be a huge steal for giving up HoRam ;)
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
sort of...
a) It was a terrible trade.
b) They had a sub-.500 record at the time.
BUT….
They were just 3 games out at the time it was made. That was the season when the A’s destroyed them head-to-head, with 7 of those games coming in the 2 weeks following this awful deal. Once could argue that it was like the Dodgers this year, who fell to 3 games back on August 1, 1 game under .500. The biggest difference here is – of course – that Manny is MANNY, while Broussard/Perez were – while a proven workable platoon – proven mediocrities.
While I hated that move for Seattle, it is at least justified by the fact
that Erik Bedard is a genuinely good baseball player. Ramirez, Broussard, Jose Vidro, Ramon Santiago, etc etc were not.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
I think he's due to break out
When does he have to serve in the Korean army? 2010?
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