Drew Stubbs, Stud or Dud?
Stud or Dud? - Drew Stubbs, OF, CIN
Before we get started, a special thanks to Howard Rudolph for contributing the "dud" portion of this piece. I've been playing fantasy baseball with Howard for a year and a half now and he's top notch when it comes to finding talent. We don't always agree, but he knows his stuff!A controversial prospect in everyone's eyes, Stubbs was viewed as a big risk, big reward prospect coming out of college. He certainly has not disappointed by flashing gold glove caliber defense and good speed with decent power and pitch selection. While I'm certainly not sold on his future, I drew the short straw and have the task of defending his prospect status while finding enough silver linings to project a long and successful career as a major league regular.
Stud?
In thinking comps, Mike Cameron came to mind as a guy who Stubbs could wind up mirroring. While Cameron is not a "star," he has had a few seasons worthy of consideration. Should Stubbs wind up with 250+ home runs, 300+ steals, and 1,000+ RBI and runs scored, it's safe to say Reds brass would be ecstatic to say the least. Based on numbers alone, Stubbs is currently behind Cameron's pace, but Stubbs advancing three levels in a season may be a sign of a potential breakout in 2009. Here's why!
- Stolen base percentage and total steals have improved each season to a stellar 33/9 in 2008 which indicates one of his tools turning into production
- A solid 160 AB+ sample from AA/AAA show a player who is upping his game against better competition.
- The gold-glove caliber defense is still apparent
- 46 XBH and a .371 OBP are solid at any level. Production remained consistent or improved at each level.
- Walks remained consistent, while cutting down strikeouts by twenty.
- Accelerated his curve by reaching AAA. His development had been considered slow before his surge. Could he be in Cincy by September 2009?
Dud?
In my opinion, Drew Stubbs is one of the most overrated prospects in all of baseball. He shows up on every Reds Top 10 Prospect List I have seen, ranging from 3rd to 8th on most lists, based on unrealized potential. What some may see in Stubbs as far as development, I see as the next Corey Patterson with more walks and less power. For those that nearly spit their soda all over the monitor, Patterson’s minor league line was .284/.336/.499 compared to Stubbs "awww" inspiring .269/.367/.415 line.
Stubbs’ defense is excellent, which will likely land him the starting CF job in Cincinnati within the next 2 years, even if he doesn’t hit well. The Reds could bat him at the bottom of the lineup and anything he produces offensively is a plus. However, this doesn’t make him a productive prospect, especially for the 8th pick in the draft. Though Stubbs will get many chances in the majors, just like Patterson, here is why I see Stubbs true potential as little more than a 4th OF and batting at the bottom of the Reds lineup in future years. Here's why!
- Lack of contact (27.9% K Rate) and mediocre OBP prevent him from batting at the top of the order.
- Last year, Stubbs went from a 16% walk rate in A+, to 11% in AA to 8% in AAA. Granted, 167 at bats above A+ isn’t a lot of data to work with, but it’s all there is to go on right now. Corey Patterson had a 7% walk rate in AAA in 1999.
- Mediocre power production. Stubbs is raw and needed time for the power to develop. Well, where is it? Besides a 75 at bat sample in AAA where is SLG was .480, his best slugging season was .421.
- Until Stubbs jumped to AA/AAA, he was old for the leagues he was in. A good 23 year old prospect should dominate A+ ball and younger pitchers. That didn’t happen. If he can’t dominate younger players, how will he produce when the players are older and better?
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nice piece....
very informitive piece on a highly controversial prosect…thanks
by cubsfan1 on
Oct 31, 2008 11:51 AM EDT
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He will be an average type player for a long time with a peak of an above average player with 20 or so HR. Still, a rebuttle that suggest Snider would have been better for the Reds, I disagree. The Reds have absolutely nowhere to play a DH. He may have beenable to be used as trade bait though.
Stubbs will walk enough and slug just enough to allow his great defense to push him over the top. A .770 OPS from an above average defender in CF is what Stubbs is going to be for a while, and there isn’t a thing wrong with that. He has his contact problems, but the power is going to come eventually. Just watching him hit, you can see it. When it shows up, he will turn into that Mike Cameron type for a few years.
by dougdirt on
Oct 31, 2008 12:14 PM EDT
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Oh no you di'nt
Did you just say you’d rather have Stubbs over Snider? That’s crazy talk. Don’t care if you have a HOF OF and 1B already on your team – Snider is exponentially more valueable than Stubbs will ever be.
by slurve on
Oct 31, 2008 12:36 PM EDT
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+1
And those who watchi Snider know that he is not destined for DH. He may not be Devon White out there, but he can hold his own.
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by King Billy Royal on
Oct 31, 2008 12:54 PM EDT
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ha
Your infatuation with Drew Stubbs is just scary.
by Kenan and Kel on
Oct 31, 2008 12:44 PM EDT
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Mike Cameron is a bit much
I really doubt Stubbs being able to produce to the level that Cameron did, Cameron is almost a perfect world comparison for Stubbs but highly unlikely. Cameron’s career years were spent in a home park that really supresed his offensive skills leaving him to be undervalued. Stubbs has yet to show anywhere near the power Cameron had shown in the minors. At age 23 in AA, Cameron had over 50% XBH perecentage, Stubbs has a 35% in XBH, significantly lower at the same age with the majority coming at a lower level. Also, Cameron had his K% at lower than 25 percent by that age 23 season and that was not the first time he had done that.
Also, Snider can fit into a corner outfield spot or first base unless he degrades significantly on offense, he is not a future DH for years.
by tdot mariner fan on
Oct 31, 2008 2:20 PM EDT
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someone a few months ago
said he profiled similar to ryan sweeney…i think thats a solid and fair comparison
good defense, solid avg/obp…has the size you would think would develop more power, but may or may not
if stubbs can stick in cf , can get by with that production, but if in a corner spot…maybe a versatile 4th OF type
stubbs also maybe similar to mark kotsay?
by Asfan4ever723 on
Oct 31, 2008 12:39 PM EDT
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Really nice writeup
Pieces like these that synthesize info and opinions from different places are enjoyable to find. Wish things like this were recommended more.
by siddfynch on
Nov 1, 2008 1:11 PM EDT
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