You're the GM! World Champion Phillies Edition
by John Sickels on Oct 30, 2008 8:00 AM EDT
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You just won the World Series.
Now what?
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Phillies...
Their priorities going into the off-season would be LF and SP. I think they could make a move on Manny but I’m not sure how the fans in Philly would take to him or vice versa, but I honestly think they will bring back Pat Burrell.
As for SP I could see someone like a Derek Lowe or AJ Burnett landing in Philly. The rest of the team is solid and I hope that Carlos Ruiz can continue his strong post-season performance into next year.
Go Phils!
by bunner on Oct 30, 2008 8:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great team..
Hamels
Burnett
Myers
Blanton
Kendrick/Moyer
Lidge
Madson
(that’s all you really need)
-filler-
Rollins
Werth
Utely
Howard
Burrell(2-3 years)
Victorino
Feliz
Ruiz
Dobbs
Bruntlett
-filler-
by schmosterballs92 on Oct 30, 2008 8:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Drink Heavily
The Dodgers won't win a playoff series until the Cool-a-Coo returns.
by mckeeno on Oct 30, 2008 9:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tradin Howard
I guess winning a World Series puts the kibosh on the grumblings twe heard during the season that the Phils would deal Howard in the off-season thanks to his $10MM 1st-year arbitration award.
by faketeams on Oct 30, 2008 9:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As a Braves fan, this is the silver lining in the Phillies winning the WS. They will now end up giving Ryan Howard 5 years @ 18+ million per. Considering he likely won’t be worth that money in the first year of the contract, I can only imagine how it’ll look in 2012.
by JoshEngleman34 on Oct 30, 2008 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Retire
and get the hell out of Philly!
by VladiHondo on Oct 30, 2008 9:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was gonna say that too!
I think Gillick has already announced he is retiring. They have an assistant GM who has been there since 99 that will be taking over the job.
The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. It reminds us of all that once was good, and that could be again.
by Savoy on Oct 30, 2008 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gillick is the man
This guy is the greatest GM ever. He has made the playoffs with each of the 4 teams he has managed (Seattle, Toronto, Philly, and even BALTIMORE) and won 3 world series. Send this man to Cooperstown!!!!
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Oct 30, 2008 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at the track records of each of those teams after Gillick’s departure. This guy sucks farm systems dry by purchasing MLB talent and then leaves before it all goes to pot.
Post ‘93 Blue Jays…horrible
Post’ 97 Orioles…horrible (remember the Scott Erickson and Albert Belle contracts?)
Post ‘01 M’s…really horrible (thanks in large part to Gillick’s successor)
Post ’08 Phillies…we shall see.
Philly, your farm system was raked over pretty good with the acquisitions of Blanton and Lidge (albiet they were good acquisitions). Fortunately for you, Gillick is leaving before he could package up Carlos Carrasco, Michael Taylor, Kyle Drabek, Lou Marson, Jason Donald, or Dominic Brown in future deals.
You may just buck the trend yet.
by jeremyp on Oct 31, 2008 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think Jays fans cared about the post 93 teams?
Sure Gillick traded away good prospects but why did he do that? To help ensure TWO World Series victories. I would rather win two championships then be a .500 team for 10 years. Also, he left the M’s in fine shape. It isn’t fair to blame him for Bavasi’s ineptitude. When he left they still had Edgar, Ichiro, Cameron, Carlos Guillen, Boone, Olerud, Garcia, Moyer, Putz, etc. He hardly left them in bad shape. For proof look at the fact that the 2002 and 2003 teams each won 93 games. Also, is it really fair to blame the O’s failure on him. Everyone knows that it is near impossible to win with the current ownership and he actually got him to the playoffs. The Jays and Phillies fans won’t look back on any of the deals from their championship years with regrets because the taste of victory is much greater then that of a bad trade.
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Oct 31, 2008 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lidge trade
are you honestly bemoaning the loss of Michael Bourn and Mike Costanzo??? neither of those guys were top talents when he made the deal, and they haven’t done anything to disprove that status
by Wheelhouse on Nov 2, 2008 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's what i was going to post
retire and let Ruben Amaro Jr take over.
by jahs34 on Oct 30, 2008 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this just happened.
ruben amaro jr. will be named GM on monday. mike arbuckle will be leaving the organization.
When they should be sacrifice bunting, they are buying effeminate designer jeans. When they should be fouling off pitches, they are masturbating. Always, they are masturbating.
by variablesdont on Nov 1, 2008 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
trade jroll
to the A’s for…
trevor cahill
travis buck
andrew carignan
vin mazzaro
give jason donald everyday SS in philly
by Asfan4ever723 on Oct 30, 2008 12:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i'd probably consider trading donald for cahill
but rollins isn’t going anywhere.
When they should be sacrifice bunting, they are buying effeminate designer jeans. When they should be fouling off pitches, they are masturbating. Always, they are masturbating.
by variablesdont on Oct 30, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Teams that just won the World Series (not named the Marlins) don’t suddenly trade their star shortstop for prospects. The Phillies are going to reload in the off season and take a run at back to back championships. If anything they will be buyers and not sellers in the trade market.
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Oct 30, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think they'll be big players this offseason
they do have one big move in them, but i think they;ll make it early, and then bask in the glow of their second championship.
When they should be sacrifice bunting, they are buying effeminate designer jeans. When they should be fouling off pitches, they are masturbating. Always, they are masturbating.
by variablesdont on Oct 30, 2008 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ROFL at that suggestion
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Oct 30, 2008 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GOING TO DISNEY WORLD!
churchofbaseball.com
by MJMars on Oct 30, 2008 12:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In all seriousness...
Here’s what I would do:
1. Break out the champagne: we won!
2. Look into signing some more SP- someone who is high risk, high reward, maybe. I’m thinking Colon or maybe a mid-rotation addition. I’d definitely look into signing Lowe, but he may be too much. If price is prohibitive, forget it.
3. Resign Burrell. Move him to 1B.
4. Trade Ryan Howard to the Yankees for Hughes, Kennedy, Horne and whatever else I could squeeze out of them. If this doesn’t work, start looking to deal him to anyone for a good package.
5. Inquire on the avaliability of Brian Giles from the Padres. If the cost is prohibitive, I look into Junior, Baldelli or Raul Ibanez for LF.
6. Resign Jamie Moyer on an incentive laden deal.
7. Take a crapload of money and spend it on the draft and international player development in order to build for the future.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 30, 2008 7:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
2.
i agree with the premise of going for a high risk/high reward starter. they’ve got 6 prospects in AA and AAA that could make the jump at some point next year, plus kyle kendrick waiting somewhere in the wings, so there’s no sense in signing a place holder to a multi year deal.
When they should be sacrifice bunting, they are buying effeminate designer jeans. When they should be fouling off pitches, they are masturbating. Always, they are masturbating.
by variablesdont on Oct 30, 2008 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3./4.
trading ryho at this time would be a colossal mistake, especially for three guys who are as middling as hughes kennedy and horne. they have the cash to eat his salary for another season, so there’s no reason to rush into a horrible deal.
as for burrell, i think that’s the easiest area for them to upgrade. there’s a guy out there who was head and shoulders above burrell’s offensive level of production, who bent over backwards to give hte phillies credit for their postseason run.
and trading howard, only to replace him with burrell doesn’t really save any salary, and since burrell is going to net two draft picks if he signs somewhere else, trading him for any non elite package of prospects doesn’t really upgrade them from just standing pat.
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by variablesdont on Oct 30, 2008 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See, here's where I disagree
I see this as buying low on Hughes, Kennedy and probably Horne (which would also bolster the Phils farm system) while selling high on Howard. If you can get more for him, then by all means do so. This frees up the position for Burrell, and means you can pursue a good LF (maybe even Adam Dunn) or add more to the pitchers in the pen/rotation or just bank that money for the draft.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 30, 2008 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ryan howard just had his worst season, by far in 2008
but trading a perennial MVP candidate isn’t buying low on three pitching prospects who have proven nothing above AAA.
i’m unabashedly pulling for manram. i think adding him to a core of rollins, utley, howard, werth, and victorino would cement the phillies as the team to beat in all of baseball for the rest of this decade.
we now know that hamels, myers, and blanton is enough pitching to win with. with manram signing, if carlos carrasco, joe savery, or ja happ can develop into a solid number 3 over the course of the season, there won’t be a team that can match that firepower.
When they should be sacrifice bunting, they are buying effeminate designer jeans. When they should be fouling off pitches, they are masturbating. Always, they are masturbating.
by variablesdont on Oct 30, 2008 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See, here's my line of thought
Trading Howard frees up salary to be used for ManRam or someone else. You don’t have to trade him to the Yanks, of course, and I’d consider looking to deal him to the Angels for a package built around Brandon Wood, Hank Conger and young pitching. Of course, just let it filter through the GM ranks that you’re looking to deal him if the deal is right, and you could pull in a good package. And with a rotation of Hamels, Myers, Blanton, Moyer and Colon/whoever, the Phils become a more dominant team.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 30, 2008 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but you'd free up that salary just by losing burrell
my goal for next season isn’t to win another championship. not yet, at least.
my goal is to win the NL east. i think you have a better chance of doing that with ryan howard, manny ramirez, and whatever pitching you could scare up than without howard, but with a ton of new young pitching that has yet to prove it’s worth at the ML level.
When they should be sacrifice bunting, they are buying effeminate designer jeans. When they should be fouling off pitches, they are masturbating. Always, they are masturbating.
by variablesdont on Oct 30, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine
We’ll do this mathematically.
Burrell’s VORP
33.6
Howard’s VORP
35.3
So, you would rather have the 2 additional points of VORP (a 20th of a win, which could probably be gained by a minor move elsewhere) than the prospects that could help Philly create both organizational depth and a dynasty?
As an alternative to Burrell, sign Adam Dunn (10.3 VORP with Arizona and 26.1 VORP with the Reds for 36.4 total VORP). Sure, it will cost you a little more than Burrell/Howard, but ManRam/Dunn/prospects is better in both the present and future.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 31, 2008 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
burrell's VORP takes into account his defensive position
if he’s moved to 1B, that probably declines by quite a bit.
and again, ryan howard had a pretty bad year, by his standards. if he regains his 2006 form, or even if he just raises his average by 30 points, his vorp skyrockets.
i’m not against trading ryan howard, i just don’t think it should be done right now.
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by variablesdont on Oct 31, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Teams who are attempting to win back to back rings don’t trade their stars. It is amazing to me how many people here are obsessed with youngsters. I love prospects but for teams trying to win NOW, it makes no sense to deal your stars to restock your system.
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Oct 31, 2008 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It does
If you’re clearing out a player that you can replace with an even better one.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 31, 2008 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you mean like moving on from burrell and signing manram?
it really doesn’t make any sense to trade howard right now. there;s no pressing need, he’s coming off a bad year, and you don’t immediately have a replacement.
there are moves that can be made, but really, nothing major should be tossed aside.
When they should be sacrifice bunting, they are buying effeminate designer jeans. When they should be fouling off pitches, they are masturbating. Always, they are masturbating.
by variablesdont on Oct 31, 2008 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we'll have to agree to disagree here
I understand where you’re coming from, I just think that shopping Howard could land up making the Phils a better team in the long run as well as next year.
Either way, they should be fun to watch.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Nov 1, 2008 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the long run doesn't matter anymore
the window is open right now, and if you don’t break through now, tomorrow doesn’t matter.
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by variablesdont on Nov 1, 2008 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With all due respect...
The Phillies just won the World Series, and their core is in its prime, by and large. Very few players really overperformed their historical norms. I wouldn’t tinker all that much.
by GuyinNY on Oct 30, 2008 8:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would...
I would lean toward trying to sign an AJ Burnett or a Derek Lowe. Burrell’s probably going to want too much, so you’d likely have to find a righty power bat to replace him. I’m not quite sure who to pursue. Manny will likely also want too much. Juan Rivera? Raul Ibanez?
Actually, looking through Cot’s contracts, I think Burrell makes the most sense if he can be resigned short term.
by GuyinNY on Oct 30, 2008 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't do anything crazy, first off
You’re a world series champion, so don’t mess with what’s been working.
Burrell’s contract is up, so either re-sign or get another RH bat; lineup’s already lefty-heavy as it is.
Other than that, all I’d do on offense is get some real bench players. (Eric Bruntlett? Really?) CI in particular would be good, but the problem is that on one hand, you want a guy who can offensive sub/half-platoon with Feliz, who is right handed, and you want someone who can play some times for Howard, who is left handed. Any switch-hitting CIs with decent bats out there that want a bench job? Someone besides So Taguchi to play the OF would be nice, too.
Pitching-wise, I guess keep Moyer around. No reason not to. I’m not sure I’d jump into the FA SP market headlong if I’m the Phills, but if a groundballer is around at a decent price, I’d consider it. Burnett would be a high risk/high reward option, and I think I’d start there first.
I’d also see about trading for some a bullpen arm or two. Just middle inning guys, nothing too special. Maybe try to do something like the deal the Braves swung for Omar Infante and Will Ohman last year to address a couple of needs at once.
by mraver on Oct 30, 2008 8:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Trade Howard- WHY???
Why are you folks still wanting to trade Howard? Have you forgotten 1) He has more Homers and RBI in the last 3 Years than anyone in MLB. 2) He Carried the Team in September- so much so that he’s about to win his second MVP (sorry Albert “the great” Pujols- I Love you man) 3) Their Offense in the World Series was dead until he woke up with 3 Homers in 5 AB 4) They can not/will not replace his Production in or out of the organization.
Howard Stays.
by baseballsteve56 on Oct 30, 2008 9:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i agree with most of this, but i would ammend it to say the following:
howard stays…until michael taylor is ready to take over at 1B, and there is an urgent need for near elite level pitching.
When they should be sacrifice bunting, they are buying effeminate designer jeans. When they should be fouling off pitches, they are masturbating. Always, they are masturbating.
by variablesdont on Oct 30, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because
I think Burrell+FA LF/1B+really good prospects (probably better than the Yanks package) is a better value than Howard.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 30, 2008 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trading Howard
Aging 1B Thesis plus his 1st year arbitration award fo $10MM.
by faketeams on Oct 31, 2008 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either
A) Trade away the team. I don’t see them repeating. They have no pitching staff to speak of outside of Myers, Lidge and Hamels. Howard’s 29 in a couple weeks and has been losing OPS like Theisman did blood every year. Utley’s 30, Burrell’s gone, there’s no farm system and very little in the FA market to give long term contracts to. I’d trade away Myers, Howard, Utley and Lidge for prospects, hold off on any Type A or Type B free agents.
or
B) Sign AJ Burnett or Derek Lowe to fill a rotation spot and sign Casey Blake to a 3 year deal in hopes that this team has some World Series hope in the next few years.
by METSMETSMETS on Oct 30, 2008 11:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bit sad that Utley's already 30
He’s going to have an abbreviated career peak, and likely an abbreviated career period compared to just about everyone else who’s ever been as good as he is.
With that said, players with Hall of Fame skills generally hold up until at least their mid-30s, and Utley has Hall of Fame skills (even if it took awhile for them to show up/be recognized by Philly).
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Oct 31, 2008 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blow It Up And Rebuild
Where’s the challenge in trying to repeat with the same guys…
by Dfarth on Oct 31, 2008 2:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Manny Ramirez
I’d sign him, and Lowe.
by Omar Little on Oct 31, 2008 2:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
why stop there?
i’ll take one each of manny, lowe, sabathia, and teixeira. and keep burrell. oh, and trade for a 3B. maybe a-rod or if that doesn’t work, david wright.
by jpahk on Oct 31, 2008 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
man, it's great to see burrell right now speaking to the crowd.
dude’s awesome. he’s finally got this town.
When they should be sacrifice bunting, they are buying effeminate designer jeans. When they should be fouling off pitches, they are masturbating. Always, they are masturbating.
by variablesdont on Oct 31, 2008 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
More irony
You guys hated him since he came up. Oh, wait, you hated him all this season too.
by Lunkwill Fook on Nov 1, 2008 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
keep hating
it’s really all you’ve got nowadays.
When they should be sacrifice bunting, they are buying effeminate designer jeans. When they should be fouling off pitches, they are masturbating. Always, they are masturbating.
by variablesdont on Nov 1, 2008 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
burrell on the clydesdales at the parade
When they should be sacrifice bunting, they are buying effeminate designer jeans. When they should be fouling off pitches, they are masturbating. Always, they are masturbating.
by variablesdont on Nov 1, 2008 1:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When they should be sacrifice bunting, they are buying effeminate designer jeans. When they should be fouling off pitches, they are masturbating. Always, they are masturbating.
by variablesdont on Nov 1, 2008 1:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
cole hamels.
this is really just a tremendous feeling. the drought sucks ass, but without it, victory could never be this sweet.
When they should be sacrifice bunting, they are buying effeminate designer jeans. When they should be fouling off pitches, they are masturbating. Always, they are masturbating.
by variablesdont on Nov 1, 2008 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess.....but unfortunately you still have to wake up living in Philadelphia.... ;)
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Nov 1, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh damn
i thought it was ellen degeneres…
by robcast23 on Nov 1, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
keep hating
again, it’s all you’ve got left, so enjoy it.
When they should be sacrifice bunting, they are buying effeminate designer jeans. When they should be fouling off pitches, they are masturbating. Always, they are masturbating.
by variablesdont on Nov 1, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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