You're the GM! World Champion Phillies Edition
by John Sickels on Oct 30, 2008 8:00 AM EDT
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Now what?
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Phillies...
Their priorities going into the off-season would be LF and SP. I think they could make a move on Manny but I’m not sure how the fans in Philly would take to him or vice versa, but I honestly think they will bring back Pat Burrell.
As for SP I could see someone like a Derek Lowe or AJ Burnett landing in Philly. The rest of the team is solid and I hope that Carlos Ruiz can continue his strong post-season performance into next year.
Go Phils!
Great team..
Hamels
Burnett
Myers
Blanton
Kendrick/Moyer
Lidge
Madson
(that’s all you really need)
-filler-
Rollins
Werth
Utely
Howard
Burrell(2-3 years)
Victorino
Feliz
Ruiz
Dobbs
Bruntlett
-filler-
by schmosterballs92 on Oct 30, 2008 8:43 AM EDT reply actions
Tradin Howard
I guess winning a World Series puts the kibosh on the grumblings twe heard during the season that the Phils would deal Howard in the off-season thanks to his $10MM 1st-year arbitration award.
As a Braves fan, this is the silver lining in the Phillies winning the WS. They will now end up giving Ryan Howard 5 years @ 18+ million per. Considering he likely won’t be worth that money in the first year of the contract, I can only imagine how it’ll look in 2012.
by JoshEngleman34 on Oct 30, 2008 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
wow
thank you for making this crappy WS into one of the best ever.
by Rob Castellano on Oct 31, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I was gonna say that too!
I think Gillick has already announced he is retiring. They have an assistant GM who has been there since 99 that will be taking over the job.
The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. It reminds us of all that once was good, and that could be again.
Gillick is the man
This guy is the greatest GM ever. He has made the playoffs with each of the 4 teams he has managed (Seattle, Toronto, Philly, and even BALTIMORE) and won 3 world series. Send this man to Cooperstown!!!!
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Oct 30, 2008 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at the track records of each of those teams after Gillick’s departure. This guy sucks farm systems dry by purchasing MLB talent and then leaves before it all goes to pot.
Post ‘93 Blue Jays…horrible
Post’ 97 Orioles…horrible (remember the Scott Erickson and Albert Belle contracts?)
Post ‘01 M’s…really horrible (thanks in large part to Gillick’s successor)
Post ’08 Phillies…we shall see.
Philly, your farm system was raked over pretty good with the acquisitions of Blanton and Lidge (albiet they were good acquisitions). Fortunately for you, Gillick is leaving before he could package up Carlos Carrasco, Michael Taylor, Kyle Drabek, Lou Marson, Jason Donald, or Dominic Brown in future deals.
You may just buck the trend yet.
Do you think Jays fans cared about the post 93 teams?
Sure Gillick traded away good prospects but why did he do that? To help ensure TWO World Series victories. I would rather win two championships then be a .500 team for 10 years. Also, he left the M’s in fine shape. It isn’t fair to blame him for Bavasi’s ineptitude. When he left they still had Edgar, Ichiro, Cameron, Carlos Guillen, Boone, Olerud, Garcia, Moyer, Putz, etc. He hardly left them in bad shape. For proof look at the fact that the 2002 and 2003 teams each won 93 games. Also, is it really fair to blame the O’s failure on him. Everyone knows that it is near impossible to win with the current ownership and he actually got him to the playoffs. The Jays and Phillies fans won’t look back on any of the deals from their championship years with regrets because the taste of victory is much greater then that of a bad trade.
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Oct 31, 2008 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Lidge trade
are you honestly bemoaning the loss of Michael Bourn and Mike Costanzo??? neither of those guys were top talents when he made the deal, and they haven’t done anything to disprove that status
that's what i was going to post
retire and let Ruben Amaro Jr take over.
trade jroll
to the A’s for…
trevor cahill
travis buck
andrew carignan
vin mazzaro
give jason donald everyday SS in philly
In all seriousness...
Here’s what I would do:
1. Break out the champagne: we won!
2. Look into signing some more SP- someone who is high risk, high reward, maybe. I’m thinking Colon or maybe a mid-rotation addition. I’d definitely look into signing Lowe, but he may be too much. If price is prohibitive, forget it.
3. Resign Burrell. Move him to 1B.
4. Trade Ryan Howard to the Yankees for Hughes, Kennedy, Horne and whatever else I could squeeze out of them. If this doesn’t work, start looking to deal him to anyone for a good package.
5. Inquire on the avaliability of Brian Giles from the Padres. If the cost is prohibitive, I look into Junior, Baldelli or Raul Ibanez for LF.
6. Resign Jamie Moyer on an incentive laden deal.
7. Take a crapload of money and spend it on the draft and international player development in order to build for the future.
With all due respect...
The Phillies just won the World Series, and their core is in its prime, by and large. Very few players really overperformed their historical norms. I wouldn’t tinker all that much.
I would...
I would lean toward trying to sign an AJ Burnett or a Derek Lowe. Burrell’s probably going to want too much, so you’d likely have to find a righty power bat to replace him. I’m not quite sure who to pursue. Manny will likely also want too much. Juan Rivera? Raul Ibanez?
Actually, looking through Cot’s contracts, I think Burrell makes the most sense if he can be resigned short term.
Don't do anything crazy, first off
You’re a world series champion, so don’t mess with what’s been working.
Burrell’s contract is up, so either re-sign or get another RH bat; lineup’s already lefty-heavy as it is.
Other than that, all I’d do on offense is get some real bench players. (Eric Bruntlett? Really?) CI in particular would be good, but the problem is that on one hand, you want a guy who can offensive sub/half-platoon with Feliz, who is right handed, and you want someone who can play some times for Howard, who is left handed. Any switch-hitting CIs with decent bats out there that want a bench job? Someone besides So Taguchi to play the OF would be nice, too.
Pitching-wise, I guess keep Moyer around. No reason not to. I’m not sure I’d jump into the FA SP market headlong if I’m the Phills, but if a groundballer is around at a decent price, I’d consider it. Burnett would be a high risk/high reward option, and I think I’d start there first.
I’d also see about trading for some a bullpen arm or two. Just middle inning guys, nothing too special. Maybe try to do something like the deal the Braves swung for Omar Infante and Will Ohman last year to address a couple of needs at once.
Trade Howard- WHY???
Why are you folks still wanting to trade Howard? Have you forgotten 1) He has more Homers and RBI in the last 3 Years than anyone in MLB. 2) He Carried the Team in September- so much so that he’s about to win his second MVP (sorry Albert “the great” Pujols- I Love you man) 3) Their Offense in the World Series was dead until he woke up with 3 Homers in 5 AB 4) They can not/will not replace his Production in or out of the organization.
Howard Stays.
by baseballsteve56 on Oct 30, 2008 9:01 PM EDT reply actions
Because
I think Burrell+FA LF/1B+really good prospects (probably better than the Yanks package) is a better value than Howard.
by David Tokarz on Oct 30, 2008 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Either
A) Trade away the team. I don’t see them repeating. They have no pitching staff to speak of outside of Myers, Lidge and Hamels. Howard’s 29 in a couple weeks and has been losing OPS like Theisman did blood every year. Utley’s 30, Burrell’s gone, there’s no farm system and very little in the FA market to give long term contracts to. I’d trade away Myers, Howard, Utley and Lidge for prospects, hold off on any Type A or Type B free agents.
or
B) Sign AJ Burnett or Derek Lowe to fill a rotation spot and sign Casey Blake to a 3 year deal in hopes that this team has some World Series hope in the next few years.
Bit sad that Utley's already 30
He’s going to have an abbreviated career peak, and likely an abbreviated career period compared to just about everyone else who’s ever been as good as he is.
With that said, players with Hall of Fame skills generally hold up until at least their mid-30s, and Utley has Hall of Fame skills (even if it took awhile for them to show up/be recognized by Philly).
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
why stop there?
i’ll take one each of manny, lowe, sabathia, and teixeira. and keep burrell. oh, and trade for a 3B. maybe a-rod or if that doesn’t work, david wright.
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