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Here are the results of the voting on who should be considered for the top 100 from the Royals and which bracket the will initially be in. There will be PLENTY of opportunity for them to be voted higher as things move along. I'm just interested in pushing the good prospects UP for now as we will be voting for the #100 prospect first when the time comes

Royals: Mike Moustakas- 21st (21-30 poll), Eric Hosmer-41st (41-50), Dan Cortes- 76th (71-80), Kila Ka' ahiue- 95th (91-100). Guys in the mix for 100th prospect: Dan Duffy, Micheal Montgomery, Tim Mellville

Now, lets here it Twins fans out there. Who belongs in the top 100 for the Twins. Please vote exctly WHERE if you can. If you say "Top 100" I count that as 100. If you say 70-80, I count that as a vote for 75th, and so on.

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I’m guessing here of course but I like him more than some. He just looks like he is going to be an exciting, top of the order hitter. Like him more if he gets a lot better as a CF.

by casejud on Oct 20, 2008 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sounds right

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by doublestix on Oct 21, 2008 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

50

I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?

by the pinstripes on Oct 21, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

60-80 range for me

But it’s already pretty well established that I like him less than most.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Oct 21, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For the record

I don’t see a huge difference between him and Joey Gathright, for instance. See Gathright’s 2003 and 2004 seasons. Now see what he’s actually done in the majors.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Oct 21, 2008 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

15-20

I’m obviously high on this guy, but he has impressed almost everybody. Sure, he is still in the very low levels but he has the potential to be MVP-caliber.

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by Andersklasen on Oct 21, 2008 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

You really like this kid huh? Could you give your opinions on the other players also Andersklasen? I could use the help…lol

by casejud on Oct 21, 2008 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

80

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by doublestix on Oct 21, 2008 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

60-80

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Oct 21, 2008 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

40-50

He has the rare quality of being able to move Mauer from catcher to third. Once he arrives on the scene, probably 2010 or 2011 Mauer will have the option of prolonging his career by three or four years and letting the new kid wreck his knees.

Ramos has great defense and a great bat.

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by Andersklasen on Oct 21, 2008 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

80-90

i really like this kid. he could be a real mover/shaker next yr.

I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?

by the pinstripes on Oct 21, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

60-70

Lots of boom-or-bust potential here. He can be the next Johan Santana, or the next Ramon Ortiz. He did very well in low levels, but when he arrived in Low-A Beloit he hit a stone wall. He needs to find the strikezone.

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by Andersklasen on Oct 21, 2008 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Off the list

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Oct 21, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

50-60

Valencia will have a decent bat in the majors, but his glove is his Achilles heel. Unless the Twins sign a young third baseman soon Valencia will enter 2010 as the starting third baseman with virtually no competition.

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by Andersklasen on Oct 21, 2008 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

When they should be sacrifice bunting, they are buying effeminate designer jeans. When they should be fouling off pitches, they are masturbating. Always, they are masturbating.

by variablesdont on Oct 21, 2008 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?

by the pinstripes on Oct 21, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Off the list

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Oct 21, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

40-50

He looked phenomenal in his brief stint in the majors this Sept, but once his scouting reports get passed around and batters get used to him he will be above-average.

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by Andersklasen on Oct 21, 2008 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?

by the pinstripes on Oct 21, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

80-90

I don’t like him nearly as much as others, but he will probably be called upon to make a few starts in 2009. He is overvalued because of the lack of pitching in the High levels of the Twins’ system.

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by Andersklasen on Oct 21, 2008 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hm

You don’t like him very much and you think he is overvalued, but he is the 80th best prospect in baseball?

by aCone419 on Oct 21, 2008 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Overvalued in the Twins system.

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by Andersklasen on Oct 21, 2008 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

100

Still think he’s a big leaguer eevn though he has dropped in some eyes. Would love to at least ATTEMP to argue his case as the 10th best prospect.

by casejud on Oct 20, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops

As the 100th best prospect, and that was ATTEMPT as well. If you capitolize it you should spell it right, my bad.

by casejud on Oct 20, 2008 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

30-40

He’s a few years away but could be a great #2 starter. He has struggled with injury, which is his main concern, but if he can overcome that he is one of the top Twins’ prospects.

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by Andersklasen on Oct 21, 2008 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm beginning to suspect you might be a Twins fan

I mean, I like Tyler Robertson too, but by my count, you think there are 10 Twins in the top 100 prospects. For reference, an average team will have about 3 – so you think that the Twins are three times as good (not exactly, but whatever) than the average team? I mean, come on

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by OldProspects on Oct 23, 2008 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Angel Morales: 20-30

Morales has great potential, but also great bust potential. He is only 18 years old but could be in Low-A ball next year. He is a five-tools player and reminds me of Ichiro – he could be that good.

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by Andersklasen on Oct 21, 2008 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Angel Morales: #1

Morales’ extreme mind control abilities make him the best bet to keep his .417 BABIP up throughout his career. He could be hitting 12 HR’s per year by 2012… can’t say that about many guys in the minors.

I'll warm up with you anytime

by ufoboy90 on Oct 21, 2008 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

He’s Christlike

by casejud on Oct 21, 2008 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anthony Swazark: 60-70

I only rate him because he is so close. He could make starts for the Twins in 2009, and should have a fine career as a middle-of-the-rotation guy.

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by Andersklasen on Oct 21, 2008 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Luke Hughes: 90-100

He demolished Double A pitching this year as he hit at a .319 /.385 /.551 clip with an OPS of 936. He was promoted to Triple A Rochester and hit .283 /.325 /.453 with an OPS of 778 through 29 games.

I’m not nearly as high on him as others because he doesn’t have a real position. He can play anywhere, which is a good problem, but a problem nonetheless. He could be in Minnesota next year playing any role.

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by Andersklasen on Oct 21, 2008 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK

No opinions on ANY Twins players I suppose? Just on my idea I guess. OK.

by casejud on Oct 20, 2008 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry to

be so harsh… this is, I don’t know – weird?

by slurve on Oct 20, 2008 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Why don’t you like it? It’ll be cool once it gets rolling. I’m still figuring the thing out. I just wanted to try a list that starts from 100 and ends at the top spot. I thought it would be interesting and would build suspense.

I also thought it would be cool if I went team by team to see who qualifies for the list so that nobody would bitch that thier team wasn’t getting enough players considered.

Also liked the idea that people who enjoy talking about prospects other than the top 10-20 guys would have a forum to discuss these guys.

I don’t know it seems to bug people so much. There seems to be a lot of good in the idea, but hey I don’t know. Maybe I should post more of MY opinions and stats on the players but it isn’t the farm system I know best.

by casejud on Oct 20, 2008 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

As someone who was here when we first started doing this, I’d say this is a horrible attempt. These rankings are supposed to correlate to how these players stack up against each other or to how they’ll preform as a full time major leaguers.

jpank(sic) at least quantified, or tried to, each player’s relative value or status by a series of polls. All this system does is throw arbitrary numbers (because when there is no comparison that is what they are) at players. Not to mention there is not nearly as much support as you claim there to be, and I bet much of the Royals support was based solely on the fact that Royals fans are a significant amount of the posters on this site.

All lists are meaningless without a preface to what they are quantifying, your method has and will create a meaningless thoughtless list.

Remember: baseball guys... baseball...

by Metty5 on Oct 20, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh NO

Since i am starting the list at 100 all i am really asking is which players are in the top 100, which players are out, and which players are right around 100. ANYBODY can have an opinion about that.

The fact that Moustakas is at 21 for now isnt important, nor is it his final ranking, it is just a way to move him out of consideration for the 100 spot.

You can hate my list if you want, thats fine, but each spot is going to be as considered and thoughtful as the other list, if not more. Your last sentance isn’t true. For one, I haven’t made the list yet. I am just making a MASTER LIST of players of which to pick 100 of them!

All the player will be quantified just like the regular list dudes. Just in reverse ok.

Criticizing me for putting Mike Moustakas at #21 for now is like me criticcizing the regular list going on now for not considering players who are approximately the 100th best prospects for the top spot. Its just in reverse, dont you see?

I’m quantifying who the top 100 prospects are. I’m going through EACH team to see what people think. Then there will be polls. It won’t hurt you or anybody. It will be thoughtfull and meaningfull.

Feel free to show me a better way to make up a poll for the 100th best prospect. I could just throw some names out there but I think going through each list and then whittling it down is kind of a fair way to get each teams players and fans of all teams involved. Whats wrong with that?

by casejud on Oct 20, 2008 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So if I want to make a case for a guy as the 100th best prospect...

and he loses, am I allowed to make a case for the same guy as the 99th best prospect? If I like a guy as the 95th best prospect, should I try to make a case for a guy I like less so that my guy doesn’t get slighted by only be ranked #100? What if I fail to make my case for the guy I want 95th well enough and the 95th slot gets passed. Theoretically, I could have 94 guys I like better than him, so will he just get left off???

I again say that this is impossible.

by rothe on Oct 20, 2008 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Answers

The main struggle with this is getting it down from 160-150 players to 100 after that tha poll for player 100 would just be kind of a consensus-bottom of the remaining players…sorta like when they just picked 9-10 best playrs to vote on… the LOWEST guy wins/loses the poll and is voted th1 100th guy, 99th guy etc. What the heck is impossible about that rothe? Lol. Once you are down to 100 players nobody is left off and you can vote for someone aa much as you want if you think they deserve to be higher.

by casejud on Oct 21, 2008 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is pointless

Unless you’ve already got a list made and want to reveal the list in a staggered manner to build suspense there is never any point to start at #100 unless your goal is a list which is horribly inaccurate.

I mean really what’s the point? Even if you did hammer out all the kinks and avoid the awkward situation where you have say 25 great players in 21 spots or vice versa (which will take an extremely large amount of time compared to the other method) you’d still end up with similar results. So why not just do the easier method to begin with?

by TRanger on Oct 21, 2008 12:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Once and for all

..I’ll go REAL slow for you… I can COUNT the players who are going to be listed, COUNT THEM you see? So when we are at the poll for say, the #49 prospect there will be how many players remaining to rank? …take a wild guess…ok, I’ll tell you… 49 PLAYERS! There is a ZERO PERCENT chance of ther ebeing 20 players left for 19 spots or 70 players left for 14 spots or a 1.000,000 players left for 3 spots. There will exactly as many players left as there are spots! Sorry, but I’ve heard that 6-7 times now and it is getting old. Why would I do that when all you have to do is count the players remaining on your list.

The problem here is you guys (all the people supporting the normal list) think that you don’t eliminate players on your list but you do. There are like 200 guys not being considered from the #5 spot right now and that is OK. Its ok to do it the other way too. Mike Moustakas is out of the running for the 100 spot. He isnt going to be on that poll.

The answer to the second question is that I don’t like the other method. Just the concept of worrying about how much time it takes instead of debating the players more is boring to me.

Also I think voting for who is the WORST prospect is an intersting way to turn the conversation about prospects around and look at it from a different angle, that all. Just for fun and kicks, thats all :-)

by casejud on Oct 21, 2008 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just give it up

This is going no where case… it’s confusing and uninteresting. You may think it is, but I don’t think most of the rest of us do. Sorry… appreciate the effort, but I don’t see this getting off the ground.

by slurve on Oct 21, 2008 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Help me!

It isnt working, I admit. Why cant you try though. The polling wont start til January, after all Johns top 20’s are out.

All I need is some general opinion about each teams prospects and by then everybody should be ready to do another top 100 polling thing right. All you have to do by them is click a button.

Everybody is thinking too far ahead. All you have to do is give your opinion on approx where you think some or ANY of the Twins players should go on a top 100 list.

by casejud on Oct 21, 2008 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought I was

helping you by trying to save you some time and effort…

by slurve on Oct 21, 2008 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

It’s dead, Jim.

by slamcactus on Oct 21, 2008 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No opinions...

…on ANY Twins players huh?

by casejud on Oct 21, 2008 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW

It’ll only be inaccurate if the community…aka YOU…doesnt tell me that a player like Ben Revere should be moved up to say 99th so he can stay off the poll for the 100th player. It’ll be just as accurate as the people who chime in say it should be.

You don’t even have an opinion on the players so I dont really know where you are coming from.

by casejud on Oct 21, 2008 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

Homer much? Dear lord…

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by doublestix on Oct 21, 2008 1:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Yeah, don’t you realize that the Twins have 10 guys in the Top 100, EXCLUDING Revere and Parmelee. They are obviously the best farm system in the majors by far.

by killa on Oct 21, 2008 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In the theoretical situation

That after all teams have been accounted for, and the various posters have given their own arbitrary rankings for each team’s players, what happens if 24 players are bestowed with the (31-40) poll? Are the best ten selected, then the rest just shift down to the next poll? I can’t imagine that with varying perspectives from the posters on this site that there will conveniently be exactly 10 players per strata of polls and the rest of the players are up for nomination to be the 100th best. Seeing that one team has already given this post 7 players already, and an average team should just over 3 in the Top 100, I don’t understand how players are not going to be eliminated.

by Grudyfan on Oct 21, 2008 2:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The highest...

…guys will be in. If I get down to guys who are ranked, say 70-80. there may be already 100 players. In fact I anticipated it going like that. Its the nature of liking ones own teams prospects.

I also kinda anticipated that there may be whole poll of guys who were rated 50-60 in the poll for the 75th prospect.

It’ll be kind of a dogfight for the 100 spot which I havent fiured out how to adress exactly but it’ll be interesting sorting it out.

Players ARE going to eliminated.

by casejud on Oct 21, 2008 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see what harm can be done here

Question though, once you have your top 100 list ready, and you put say 10-15 guys on the poll, are we gonna vote for the worst prospect at that point? I think that would be better than voting for the best and whoever gets the least vote is #100 and so on.

by groundingout on Oct 21, 2008 4:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

only way this can work at all

This is the only way that this can work at all is if the list of the 100 best prospects is locked by the person running the poll before the voting starts and the first question is who is the worst prospect of those 100. If there are any more than 100 in play it might seem to go well at first but inevitably we will end up with too many guys for too few spots. Of course this approach begs the whole question of who should be on the list and who off, perhaps a series of votes before anything starts dealing with who to “throw off the island” might work. Not sure whether I will participate in any event as this seems like an awfully convoluted way of getting to a result.

by Dalman on Oct 21, 2008 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i can't do this anymore

andersklasen has sucked the life out of me. i’m afraid my spirit is broke.

I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?

by the pinstripes on Oct 21, 2008 3:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey..

He asked for my opinion. I don’t claim to be an expert on every teams’ minor league system.

I doubt this system works, anyway…

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by Andersklasen on Oct 21, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry

i’m just messing with you. pls don’t take offense. i didn’t mean anything by it.

I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?

by the pinstripes on Oct 21, 2008 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha, none taken.

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