Fantasy/sim dump thread, week of 1/6
Here's the inaugural edition of a weekly thread devoted to fantasy questions and manager wanted/league wanted ads for sim and fantasy leagues. Please post all such requests on this thread only.
It's hoped that this can become a clearinghouse for threads that would otherwise swamp the diaries. Those not interested in sim or fantasy, or questions about trades, roster moves and prospect comparisons need not visit.
Thanks for reading. I'll be happy to set this up weekly on Sundays if the idea takes off.
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Not that I think this is a bad idea or anything
Yeah, well
The problem
I don't have an issue with Fantasy Stuff
Joba vs. Bucholz, oooooh!
Today I see the 40th Lincecum v. Cain thread.
When all is said and done about 95% of these threads are fantasy related when you get to the meat of it.
So why the push-back?
Reposted for your annoyance - Heil Flynn
by Pitt craws on Jan 7, 2008 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
re: fantasy diaries
by McLovin on Jan 7, 2008 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
by Pitt craws on Jan 7, 2008 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
right on...
you're dead on in what you say, though, and i should have included that sort of thought in my original post. be smart, dammit. this is not a fantasy site. it's not a purist site. it's a minor league site. both groups of people (and there's probably more groups than just that) need to be respectful of everyone that comes here. it's not out here just for one person/group. john did not create it with one group of people in mind. it's for everyone. now we all need to treat it like that.
Um, I do play sim
In addition
Most people engaged in fantasy/sim know that VIRTUALLY NO ONE ELSE ON EARTH gives a crap about their teams. Not their spouses (who are just being polite while you go on and on), not their friends who aren't involved in their league, not their relatives or co-workers. They're smart enough not to inflict that upon others WHO AREN'T INTERESTED. So why not give them a small corner of the site that is dedicated to them, where they can ask away without fear of flaming and will be comfortable doing so? This is the exact opposite of a concentration camp, and by the way you've bottomed out your argument by bringing up Hitler twice already.
This option can (and should, IMO) be viewed as a positive thing. It's not meant to be negative, but if it encourages people to post without inflicting it on people who don't care about it at all, then by all means, it's a good thing.
For everyone
by Pitt craws on Jan 7, 2008 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Not Necessary
by Pitt craws on Jan 7, 2008 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Dude
Uh yeah
by Pitt craws on Jan 7, 2008 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
what about...
Spell check spell check
by Pitt craws on Jan 7, 2008 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
hee hee
i'm not usually a spelling stickler, but those were pretty funny.
sorry
swamp???
3 consecutive posts about one trade is at least as likely, and there are lots of other sorts of diaries that don't strictly adhere to a minor league only strict interpretation of this site.
i really don't understand the desire to drive away any and all fantasy questioners from posting. my guess is at least half the people that come here do so because they're interested in something going down in their fantasy/sim league. but i don't think that means they are only looking for fantasy info here. there's lots to learn about the real teams we all root for, how they're doing, or not doing. if anything, i think the people that come initially to figure out a trade or scout a player end up greater fans of baseball and the incredible minor league system overall.
i've only been coming to this site for a couple of years or so...so maybe before that is was fantasy post after fantasy post. but it's not bad now. maybe that's because a lot of questions would be asked but those who'd pose them are terrified of the flaming they'll get if they do. if that's the case, i think that's wrong. they've got as much right to this site as any of you, except for john, obviously. if he explicitly says "NO FANTASY POSTS" then fine. but then i think he risks losing readership here, and by default, then sales of his book. and while this a great bit of fun for all of you out there...it is a business for him.
so...maybe lighten up on people that do want to know something different than you do...or maybe are just plain stupid compared to you all. use it as an opportunity to show all of us how freaking brilliant you are.
I don't think
Again, I think there needs to be a forum rules type post at the top of the diaries that people should read and follow before posting; it would get rid of a lot of these "well I didn't see anything about it so I thought I could post those" recruiting diaries.
Minor League Draft
Im very risk averse typically so I was hoping someone would give me some feelers on this list. I should also mention Im Yankee averse with my fantasy teams, so Ive definitely dropped Horne and Jackson way below where they belong... just trying to be honest with myself about where I would draft guys and I cant see myself going higher on those two. They have to massively drop for me to take them. Laffey is high b/c he can be immediately helpful.
FYI, I have the 10th pick, 20, 30, 40, and also a pick that will fall between 11 and 14 that has yet to be determined. Ive put spaces after every tenth guy for reading convenience:
David Price
Matt Wieters
Mike Moustakas
Desmond Jennings
Rick Porcello
Michael Main
Jordan Walden
Trevor Cahill
Beau Mills
Chris Davis
Jed Lowrie
James Simmons
Tyler Robertson
Dan Cortes
Nick Hagadone
Chorye Spoone
Taylor Teagarden
Wes Hodges
Ryan Kalish
Casey Crosby
Aaron Laffey
Alan Horne
Jake Arrieta
Danny Duffy
Jack Egbert
Sean O'Sullivan
Blake Beavan
Andrew Bailey
Aaron Poreda
Omar Poveda
Ben Revere
Juan Ramirez
Phillipe Aumont
Will Middlebrooks
Austin Jackson
Jesus Montero
Michael Saunders
Nick Weglarz
Brandon Hamilton
Charlie Furbush
David Bromberg
Duane Below
Sam Runion
Julio Pimental
Ryan Royster
If I could somehow end up with Main, Simmons and Crosby after the first two rounds I would be delighted. Its very difficult to get a read though, b/c this is a super intense league with a lot of money at stake.
Im... ahem... two time defending champion...
AL-only
Lowrie should be higher. He's ready to contribute.
Ryan Kalish is going to get a lot of hype this season so he could also be higher.
Michael Saunders has all types of fantasy desirable skills. I'd have him a lot higher.
Finally Ben Revere looks good so far. I'd take him ahead of some of the high school pitchers listed ahead of him.
by ephinz on Jan 7, 2008 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with most of that
Revere, btw, isnt a very patient hitter so far at all. So he's another guy Im looking at as a pretty sure bet but still only contributes one category(even if its plus plus).
As always, pitching prospects are extremely overvalued in a 10 team AL only. When I made my list I started thinking Id bump down all the high school arms but I kept coming back to them...
Thanks
I like your list
I'd move Beau Mills down. I'm in the minority here, but I don't like him much at all. He has yet to prove himself against even mediocre competition, and his swing is a bit on the long end. Also, I see his maximum upside (which he's a ways away from reaching) as a Tino Martinez type hitter rather than a masher.
I'd move Aumont (who has top-tier talent), A. Jackson (monster second half, 5 tools, could potentially play well in all 5 categories), Montero (I'm not generally a fan, but he did well as a 17 year old, and if he can stick at catcher, he could be quite valuable....part of the reason people are down on him is defense, and you don't need to worry about that in fantasy), Pimentel (another one with great tools who is really young) and Royster (absolutely monster season last year; if improvement was for real, could project as a top level power hitter, although his previous performance and K rate are question marks). I'd put Jackson near the bottom of the first list, Aumont towards the bottom of the second, and the other three somewhere in the third. If you can only hold minor leaguers for a couple of years, then forget about Montero and Pimentel, as each is at least 3 years away from the bigs. There's also a pretty good argument to move O'Sullivan up a bit.
Why are you so down on Cahill?
Thanks again.
You can hold them forever
Im not a big Jackson fan, and Im not a big fan of taking OFers. Also, the OBP issue worries me with Jackson. He's a guy I dont worry about placement that much though even though he deserves to be higher b/c Im certain he'll be off the board by my second pick. Same thing with the Porcello/Main/Walden group I have at 6-7-8. Its not like Im going to get to choose from all three of these at pick #10. I can be sure of that.
Man, I just dont know what to make of Aumont. SOoooo far away. I actually started by taking him off the draft board. But as I got down to Sam Runion and Duane Below type projects I thought to myself... I would HAVE to take Aumont by now. I just dont like high school pitchers in general and if I put the label "project" next to a guy I essentially want nothing to do with him unless he drops. Aumont is super high risk in both of these categories if you ask me. Then I add in the way the M's handle prospects and it gets dicey.
I do love Montero and Mills. If I put "plus plus power" next to a guy's name then Im ready to jump on them. Im ready to reach on Montero even though I admittedly try to stay away from Yankee prospects. I dont even care if he moves off catcher. I see Mills as having a very high floor, fantasy wise, and that's what Im liking there.
I have no idea what the deal with Pimental is. This seasons K rate plummet frightens me. I kind of think he's a reliever.
Im probably going to go back and look at Aumont and Jackson again though, based on your recommendation. I still think Jackson will be gone. Most of the people in my league are infatuated with tools and Jackson has loads of them. He's gotta move up though. Im sure one of the dimmer bulbs in our league will draft Aumont very high(above where you recommend) too, b/c he was drafted so early in the MLB draft.
I think Im too risk averse... I just really love sure things... feel like playing fantasy baseball is like being awash in a sea of uncertainty and you have to grap the solid things while you can. It does hurt my upside sometimes though.
Crosby
Minor League System
If anyone is bored like I usually am and want to put together a list I would love the input. I will list my farm system here, I would love to see how people would order them in a top 10 and if anyone is bored I would love to see an overall list 1 to 22.
Lars Anderson
Jeremy Blevins
Jay Bruce
Clay Buchholz
Tony Butler
Adrian Cardenas
Tyler Colvin
Scott Elbert
Neftali Feliz
Jamie Garcia
Jarrett Hoffpauir
Michael Hollimon
Chris Huseby
John Jaso
Desmond Jennings
Cody Johnson
Brad Lincoln
Warner Madrigal
Cameron Maybin
Edward Reynoso
Sean Rodriquez
Joey Votto
Top 10
Clay Buchholz
Cameron Maybin
Joey Votto
Desmond Jennings
Lars Anderson
Adrian Cardenas
Tyler Colvin
Neftali Feliz
Sean Rodriguez
my ten
C Buchholz
D Young(still just a rookie in our league, didn't need him last year)
J Cueto
C Kershaw
C Headley
B Wood
B Butler(still a rook in league also)
T Snider
N Adenhart
(in no particular order)
Then I also have P Alvarez, M Scherzer, Bryan Anderson(C), E Andrus...
Planning on using Gallardo and Buchholz in my rotation this year and Young and Butler this year also. Rest have another year before I need them.
Fantasy Baseball
Couple things
- John doesn't seem to have a big problem with the fantasy posts, it's the recruiting posts that have been ridiculous. A weekly thread of those seems, to me, to be a very good compromise.
- Another plus to a thread like this is that it gives people a chance to ask questions that maybe they don't think deserves a whole diary thread of it's own. I've certainly had questions I've been tempted to ask opinions on but which I didn't think needed a diary all to themselves.
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Jan 7, 2008 3:11 PM EST reply actions
Thank you
Reason
I think the idea of a thread for the week is great since we aren't allowed to post diaries of our own about it anymore.
Thoughts on trade
Luis Castillo, 2B $6,500,000(2009)
Tim Lincecum, P $300,000(2011)
Rick Porcello, P (prospect)
Athletics Receive:
Scott Podsednik, OF $8,200,000 (2009)
Pedro Feliz, 3B/DH $,6,500,000 (2008)
Rickie Weeks, 2B $300,000 (2010)
Yovanni Gallardo, P (prospect)
Taylor Green, 3B (prospect)
can't really tell withouth knowing settings
'Course, if this is some sort of sim league where you get mad points for defense, then Feliz doesn't like quite as much like a huge piece of deadweight.
Looking for replacement Owner
Ive been a member here for a while. I actually run two dynasty leagues. Right now I am in the middle of both the MiLB and MLB Drafts for my newest league. I had one member drop out becuase he just got engaged and his fiance is laying down the law. The other is a college student who just couldnt find the time. Both teams are in good shape and just need someone to take them over. Here are the rosters for the two teams:
Team One:
C: Mike Napoli, LAA
C:
1B: Mark Teixeira, Atl
2B: Brian Roberts, Bal
3B: David Wright, NYM
SS: Orlando Cabrera, ChW
MI: Freddy Sanchez, Pit
CI: Troy Glaus, Tor
RF: Travis Buck, Oak
CF: Rocco Baldelli, TB
LF: Moises Alou, NYM
UT: Kevin Youkilis, Bos
UT: Chris Duncan, Stl
UT: Jeff Baker, Col
SP: John Lackey, LAA
SP: Erik Bedard, Bal
SP: Matt Cain, SF
SP: Derek Lowe, LAD
SP: David Bush, Mil
SP: Cliff Lee, Cle
SP: Boof Bonser, Min
SP: Gio Gonzalez, ChW? (minors)
SP: Felipe Paulino, Hou? (minors)
RP: Joe Nathan, Min
RP: Jonathan Broxton, LAD
RP: Jeremy Accardo, Tor
RP: Akinori Otsuka, Tex
RP: Damaso Marte, Pit
RP: Hong-Chih Kuo, LAD
RP: Rand Flores, STL
Team Two:
Hitters:
C- Ramon Hernandez $6,875,000 2009 TO
C-
1B- David Ortiz $13,000,000 2011 TO
2B- Josh Barfield 650,000 2011 RC
3B- Edwin Encarnacion $975,000 2010 RC
SS- Rafael Furcal $13,000,000 2008
MI- Tony Abreu $325,000 2012 RC
CI- Chone Figgens $4,500,000 2008 RC
LF- Wily Mo Pena $4,500,000 2008 RC
CF- Curtis Granderson $975,000 2010 RC
RF- Delmon Young $1,160,000 2009 RC
UT- Richie Sexson $12,500,000 2008
UT- Jason Bartlett $1,200,000 2009 RC
UT- Chris Burke $975,000 2010 RC
Pitchers:
SP- Justin Verlander $900,000 2010
SP- Jeremy Bonderman $9,500,000 2011
SP- Josh Johnson $650,000 2011 RC
SP- Dontrelle Willis $4,500,000 2008 RC
SP- Brandon McCarthy $975,000 2010 RC
SP- Daniel Cabrera $650,000 2011 RC
SP- Gustavo Chacin $975,000 2010 RC
SP-
SP-
Relief Pitchers:
RP- Francisco Rodriguez $4,500,000 2008 RC
RP- Andrew Brown $325,000 2012 RC
RP- Brad Hennessy $975,000 2010 RC
RP- Dustin Moseley $325,000 2012 RC
RP- Wil Ohman $975,000 2010 RC
RP- Brian Bruney $975,000 2010 RC
RP- Scott Feldman $650,000 2011 RC
The league is in its First Year but has 14 devoted managers. We have a yearly First Year Player Draft, Free Agency, Salary Cap and lots of other real life simulations. The league is run thru ESPN and is Free. No need to submit an application for the league, just need someone who wants to join a fantasy league. Thanks in advance for anyone who may sign up!
Tim
forgot
http://z11.invisionfree.com/Beer_League_Softball/index.php?showforum=45
All you have to do is create a user account and then post that you want one of the two new teams. Thanks again.
Tim
where to go from here?
lineup:
andre ethier, RF
casey kotchman, 1B
aaron hill, 2B
rocco baldelli, CF
jason botts, LF
pedro feliz, 3B
omar quintanilla, SS
greg zaun, C
rotation:
#1 schmidt
#2 mcgowan
#3 marcum
#4 wandy rodriguez
#5 john patterson
depth chart:
catcher (need backup and depth c):
zaun
1b:
kotchman
botts
eric duncan
2B:
hill
quintanilla
josh wilson
sean rodriguez
SS (need starting SS):
quintanilla
sean rodriguez
josh wilson
sergio santos
3B (need long term solution after feliz):
feliz
josh wilson
LF:
jason botts
michaels/nixon
gorneault
val majewski
CF:
baldelli
chris duffy
RF:
ethier
michaels/nixon
gorneault
val majewski
SP
#1 schmidt
#2 mcgowan
#3 marcum
#4 wandy rodriguez
#5 patterson
floyd
masterson
liz
van benschoten
scott elbert
ricky romero
edwin jackson
rob tejeda
RP (need all):
justin speier
yhency brazoban
craig hansen
eulogio de la cruz
masterson
so basically, i'm at a loss as to where to go before free agency starts. my only pressing need is SS, and if i can't fill it in a trade, i'll go after jack wilson, tony pena, or john mcdonald when the bidding opens. there aren't a whole lot of AAAA options at the position, so i'm in the process of sending out feelers for youngens that have yet to surface as major league caliber. other than that, though, i feel as though the best thing i can do is sit on my hands until may, at which time i can decide what to do with rob tejeda, edwin jackson, yhency brazoban, ricky romero, scott elbert, eric duncan, and val majewski
by overlord on Jan 8, 2008 1:40 PM EST reply actions
few holes to fill?
I'd prefer over 2/3 of the real-life MLB teams over this squad.
by im not new on Jan 8, 2008 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
you're sleeping on botts, i love zaun,
quintanilla is just a place filler for the time being, though i do like that ZiPS has him as a VG defender at both 2B and SS.
by overlord on Jan 8, 2008 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
plus,
by overlord on Jan 8, 2008 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry dude
by TINSTAAPP on Jan 8, 2008 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
by NMUWildcat027 on Jan 8, 2008 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Going for him
Wow!! That roster sucks!!
by I Love Oakland As on Jan 11, 2008 8:34 PM EST up reply actions

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