I'm pretty sure Cashman hatesTorre

by hallofamer2000 on Jan 31, 2008 7:51 PM EST

Today, the Yankees signed Morgan Ensberg to a minor league deal. Joe Torre didn't want the Yankees to get him at the deadline last year, so they didn't get him.

They traded Scott Proctor, Torre's number one guy out of the pen.

The create the "Joba rules" so he doesn't overuse him immediately.

The Yankees re-signed Ron Villone last year. I'm pretty sure this is all Torre because he was a Type B free agent, so he cost them a high draft pick.

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huh?

Do you realize that Torre is no longer managing the Yankees?

The Dodgers won't win a playoff series until the Cool-a-Coo returns.

by mckeeno on Jan 31, 2008 9:41 PM EST reply actions

Precisely

He is saying that Cashman signed Ensberg after Torre left because Torre didn't want Ensberg. I'm not sure if that is grounds for hatred, but I believe that is the idea.

by asyouwish33 on Jan 31, 2008 10:08 PM EST up reply actions

Wouldn't it be the opposite?

If Cashman really hated Torre wouldn't he have signed Ensberg while Torre was still there?

The Dodgers won't win a playoff series until the Cool-a-Coo returns.

by mckeeno on Jan 31, 2008 10:58 PM EST up reply actions

+1

If anything he listened to Torre, not hated him

Anyway, Ensberg is really insignificant. Unless they are trading Shelly Duncan or Wilson Betemit before Opening Day, or if there is something wrong injury wise with someone like Giambi, I doubt he makes the roster

by dlpme77 on Jan 31, 2008 11:15 PM EST up reply actions

huh

by SLK on Jan 31, 2008 10:23 PM EST reply actions

Hmm

The thought process behind this idea was very limited.

by rmande09 on Jan 31, 2008 11:09 PM EST reply actions

i agree

with Halloffamer2000.

Cash got rid of Torre's 'guys', e.g. Cairo, Proctor. Cash also didn't like Torre publicizing the Joba Rules (which was supposed to remain a secret). he also didn't like Torre's love for his Circle of Trust guys, like the aforementioned Cairo and Proctor, Myers, Viz, and he definitely would've killed Joba w/o the Rules - but he also excluded guys who weren't 'proven vets', e.g. Edwar (who rode the bench for 2 weeks after his 2nd outing), Britton (3.39 ML era)...

it became a mutual dislike between Cash and Torre the last few years.

by Travis G on Feb 1, 2008 12:35 AM EST reply actions

I don't think he hated Torre

but Torre really did make a lot of boneheaded decisions the past few years. Thanks for the memories, but I can't stand the guy. I'm really excited about having an analytic mind like Girardi in charge now.

Todd Frazier for President

by FrazierFan on Feb 1, 2008 9:20 AM EST reply actions