Tyler Robertson vs Deolis Guerra

by viggo21 on Jan 29, 2008 11:30 PM EST Comment 15 comments

Tyler Robertson is a year older but how do they compare? Both are tall guys 6'5"+ with physical projectability. Each has a potential ++ pitch other than the fastball (TR: slider, DG: change). Who gets to the majors sooner, who burns out, who has the best career? From what I've read about both, they both have #1 projectibility, does Robertson's delivery hurt his potential as a starter? I'd love to hear who is the Twins #1 prospect now, I saw it's Guerra now!

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I wouldnt agree that either has anything close to "#1 projectibility." Id take Robertson, and its not that close. Guerra is interesting but he has to show me something first.

I still like Swarzak better than Guerra, too, actually.

by alskor on Jan 29, 2008 11:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Guerra

Guerra could be anything, he's too young to say.

by MontrealMets on Jan 30, 2008 12:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Well

then I guess every prospect who's young could be said to have "#1 projectability."

by alskor on Jan 30, 2008 1:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Age

He was 18 in High-A. Find me a high schooler at that level. It's too early to say with these guys who are a ton younger than the league average.

by MontrealMets on Jan 30, 2008 8:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

anything includes

abosalutely nothing too though.

by RollingWave on Jan 31, 2008 8:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

show you something?

what has robertson shown you that guerra hasn't?

in fact they had comparable success in A ball except guerra was a full 2yrs younger and in his first pro season compared to robertson's 2nd, so in my estimataion guerra has actually shown MORE than robertson at this point

by robcast23 on Jan 30, 2008 7:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

"Comparable success?"

Where do you see that??

Robertson: 102 IP, 123 K, 33 BB, 87 H
Guerra: 81 IP, 64 K, 37 BB, 59 H

ARL is nice, but its not everything. You actually have to perform before I start believing in you. Even if he was 17 those lines are vastly different from each other. One is impressive by any measure. The other one gives you some hope when viewed with regards to ARL.

Robertson has had sick numbers throughout the minors. Guerra is relatively unimpressive. I gotta say I think youre way off on this one. Their performance so far as professionals is not comparable at all. if you want to say Guerra projects to be something better that's a different argument, but just looking at their resumes so far its heavily weighted to Robertson.

by alskor on Jan 31, 2008 12:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Wait

So in A ball Guerra was a "full two seasons younger" but now theyre only a year apart.

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/R/Tyler-Robertson.shtml
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/G/Deolis-Guerra.shtml

December of 87 and April of 89.

I take it back - Im VERY impressed with Guerra then. That's amazing. He must be some kind of wizard.

by alskor on Jan 31, 2008 12:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It's gonna be fun...

to watch these 2 compete against each other. It actually could bring out the best in both.

Imagine a possible Twins rotation in 2011 of Liriano/Guerra/Robertson/Swarzak/Slowey.

Wowser.

by DJSkillz on Jan 30, 2008 1:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

you forget Baker

I think he's likely to be better than everyone on that list not named Francisco. However, you could look at a ton of teams like that if you just assume every prospect pans out. Just look at teams like the yanks and red sox with minor league pitching up the wazoo. I mean the Yankees could be: Hughes, Joba, Kennedy, Betances, Horne and the Red Sox could be: Beckett, Dice-K, Lester, Buchholz, Masterson, Bowden in 2011 etc.

Hey fish, leave those kids alone!

by The Congo Hammer on Jan 30, 2008 1:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

right, just saying...

I don't think Baker has as high of a ceiling as any of those guys actually. Maybe Slowey, but that's about it.

And I like Baker a lot.

Will be interesting. I do think the Twins currently have more ML ready pitching depth than any team in baseball with all of Liriano/Baker/Bonser/Slowey/Perkins/Blackburn/Duensing/Mulvey/Humber all just about ready for the majors or ready.

I'd like to see them parlay some of that into another deal to get another impact guy on a developing team that needs to get even younger/more depth.

I wonder if they could parlay 1 into a guy like Nick Johnson for a DH bat (the Nats need to move a 1b clearly), and then parlay another 2 along with a guy like Kubel or Cuddyer for a stud like Cain or Gorzellany.

Would be interesting.

by DJSkillz on Jan 30, 2008 3:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Boof Buffet Bonser

Don't forget about him either!

Jack Cust is this year's Marcus Thames

by Team Moneyball on Jan 30, 2008 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Skipped the buffet this offseason...

...and lost 20 pounds. Hope it helps with his stamina. He was excellent through five last year. He fell apart in the sixth.

cmathewson

by cmathewson on Jan 30, 2008 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I didn't...

forget Boof. He's in there.

I expect good things from both him and Baker this year, to go along with flashes from Slowey, and overall close to excellence from Liriano. All that to go with what should be a dynamite pen. I think people are sleeping on the Twins' staff, even after losing Johan and Silva. I bet they hardly take a dip at all over last year, in fact, and last year they were the 4th best staff in the AL.

by DJSkillz on Jan 30, 2008 8:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Twins

Gomez is now the best prosect...if you consider him a prospect. I'd say Robertson is still the next best...then probably Swarzak, then probably Revere. But I don't see any of these guys move ahead of Robertson.

by Aslan on Jan 30, 2008 10:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs