Who has Insider on ESPN.com?

by deadboy on Jan 24, 2008 2:09 AM EST Comment 23 comments

I was wondering if someone could do me a huge favor. I refuse to pay on espn.com to read the material and there is something new that really intruiged me. I'm a huge A's fan and Buster Olney just put something up that has to do with "An open ended question for each team." The picture for the article is Huston Street and in the summary he says he talks about when Street will be traded.

I was hoping someone with access to the article could copy/paste or atleast paraphraise for me.

Thanks for the help!!

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Is well worth it!!!!!

I will not post what was said but all it is questions for all 30 teams.

Will XYZ stay healthy. Will XYZ be traded.

by novaoakland on Jan 24, 2008 2:20 AM EST reply actions

I would suggest

checking or asking on the MLB.com message boards. They do that all the time. This is John's site and he can be held liable for copyright infringement if that's posted in a diary.

by elrey34 on Jan 24, 2008 2:45 AM EST reply actions

Can't you sign up for a free 30-day trial...

...in order to read that article?

As a bonus you would be able to get a lot of the early fantasy baseball articles and such if that is what you are looking for.

by grozzy on Jan 24, 2008 8:48 AM EST reply actions

I Don't Get It

Why would you refurse to pay $40 for all of that additional info? I think people who don't get it don't realize what they are missing. $40/year, come on...reminds me of Caddyshack:

Well, I ain't payin' no 50 cents for no Coke...

Well you ain't gettin' no Coke.

by goose102977 on Jan 24, 2008 9:05 AM EST reply actions

Who's blood is that?

Pick that up

by nevin on Jan 24, 2008 9:20 AM EST up reply actions

You'll get nothing....

and like it!!

by JayhawkTom on Jan 25, 2008 10:58 AM EST up reply actions

I agree...

... if you dont want to pay for it, then you dont get the product. Yeah it kinda sucks that a lot of the best articles are Insider only, but if you want to see it, its less than $4 a month, and you get a subscription to ESPN the magazine to go with it.

I had an Insider account and liked it, but just decided I couldnt afford it when it came to renew. Ive thought about ordering it again, but Ive been debating whether I should pay for ESPN Insider or BP's subscription.

If you have a particular article that you want to see that badly, just sign up for the free trial:
https://r.espn.go.com/espn/signup/step1?campaign=insider&source=PreviewSlim2

Heck if you pay for the two year subscription afterward, you pay all of $2.50 a month and get 2 years of the magazine. Its really not that bad.

by grozzy on Jan 24, 2008 9:43 AM EST up reply actions

no need really

Anything worth reading is posted for free by someone online in a matter of days.

Whether it be ESPN or BP, or BA. There are a million blogs out there and a million messageboards where people (wrongly) post subscriber only content every day.

by Galt on Jan 24, 2008 1:33 PM EST up reply actions

Let's be honest

people paraphrase on this site all the time. BP, BA, etc - people are always relaying the gist of some article that has subscriber priveleges. I think the original poster would have been happy with such a paraphrase here, instead of what smacks of some unusual righteousness.

Subscribing to ESPN isn't the point - it's having to subscribe to about 50 bazillion sites if you want to cover all articles of interest to you....or go with one or two that are the best for you (Maybe ESPN is not one for Deadboy) and catch the paraphrase from another of your peeps when something pops up on another site.

gogotabata: "I'm like the biggest Walden fan around here (adult division)..."

by siddfynch on Jan 24, 2008 11:13 AM EST reply actions

Smacks of Unusual Righteousness

What exactly does that mean? As I see it, no one should be allowed to post anything that is not free to everyone else...just ask John how he feels when his 50/50 list gets spread all over the Internet for free.

by goose102977 on Jan 24, 2008 12:34 PM EST up reply actions

"unusual"

means that such paraphrasing is done routinely on here from other sites....not sure why people suddenly jumped on this guy when everyone is fine with it normally.

"Righteous" refers to people's sudden protection of ESPN, when paraphrasing copyrighted material is just fine....and has plenty of precedent. Therefore, only reason to get a bug up about it now is some sort of "righteous" concern about protecting intellectual/corporate interests, etc.

John's 50/50 list is a straw man argument....I certainly am not saying that anyone should post a list verbatim....what I am saying is that paraphrasing is OK.

Example of what's not OK:
Posting John's 50/50
Posting Olney's entire article

What is OK:
Saying John has 5 Twins in his top 50
Saying that Olney says Street is working out at 2B

gogotabata: "I'm like the biggest Walden fan around here (adult division)..."

by siddfynch on Jan 24, 2008 1:43 PM EST up reply actions

I think the response....

... was mainly because he asked for it to be copy and pasted into the thread. Im aware that he followed that with "or at least paraphrased" but still, most of the response has been because he asked like that.

If he had asked if anyone had read the article and if they could just paraphrase it/give a quick synopsis, I dont think people would have responded the same.

If I had my Insider account still, I would happily have written a small summary in my original message.

by grozzy on Jan 24, 2008 2:57 PM EST up reply actions

Agreed

gogotabata: "I'm like the biggest Walden fan around here (adult division)..."

by siddfynch on Jan 24, 2008 3:25 PM EST up reply actions

Street at 2B

Tell me you were just using that as an example. Please!

Signed,
Sim League Street Owner

"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile

by Boxkutter on Jan 24, 2008 4:17 PM EST up reply actions

hey

in college street was also a 3B in addition to the texas closer. he wasn't much of a hitter, but according to reports he was an excellent defensive 3B.

by jpahk on Jan 24, 2008 9:02 PM EST up reply actions

of course you can paraphrase

you can even selectively quote parts of the copyrighted work and use it so long as you have some of your original commentary alongside it. You can't crib the entire article and comment on it, but paraphrasing about one player is certainly permissible, and copying verbatim and adding your own commentary so long as it's not a substantial portion of the work could likely fall under fair use.

http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html

by andwoo on Jan 24, 2008 2:51 PM EST up reply actions

Honestly...

I think there's a pretty big difference between happening into someone's fair use of copyrighted material and going out and seeking a way around the fact that something is "subscriber only."

Beyond that, paraphrasing the section in a way this person is asking probably goes beyond the fair use people (at least routinely) post on blogs like this one.

by bleedjaxblue on Jan 24, 2008 5:38 PM EST up reply actions

ESPN

I was promised Insider free for a year or something when their fantasy football fell apart last season, and they never gave it to me, so I refuse to play their fantasy sports or purchase anything from them, because they don't stay true to their word. Con artists. lol

"The Dodgers won't win a playoff series until the Cool-a-Coo returns." -mckeeno

by PujolsJunkie on Jan 24, 2008 11:31 AM EST reply actions

or just call them

and they'll give it to you.

by Galt on Jan 24, 2008 1:34 PM EST up reply actions

You guys PAY for stuff on the internet?

Hahahahahaha!

by Sox Puppet on Jan 24, 2008 1:16 PM EST reply actions

LOL

I sort of feel the same way. Just wish it was as easy to find sign in information for Baseball American and ESPN Insider as it is to find a DVD Screener of I Am Legend or Juno.

"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile

by Boxkutter on Jan 24, 2008 4:19 PM EST up reply actions