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Inside the f'd up mind of Ned Colletti

Many people on this board like to speculate who Ned is and what he's thinking or going to do. Right now, on Dodger Thoughts, there's an excellent interview that covers his plans for the upcoming season -- including thoughts on Andy LaRoche v. Nomar, Ethier v. Pierre, Hu and Abreu's position on the team, Kuo and Greg Miller, Clayton Kershaw, and much much more. You can check it all out here: http://dodgerthoughts.baseballtoaster.com/archives/897243.html

Or, I can give you some extended excerpts:

"Andy and Nomar give us two good options at third base....We're gonna let them figure it out. I think (Andy) is on the verge of being where (James) Loney and (Matt) Kemp were a year ago, where (Andre) Ethier and (Russell) Martin were two years ago. It's time to give him an opportunity to stick with the club and play as much as he earns....Nomar's got the versatility to play some first base as well. James is gonna need a day off here or there....It's probably the first Spring Training where (Andy) has had more than a legitimate chance to make this club. Most of the time a player has to make the club. He's almost gonna have to not make the club. It's a pretty good spot to be in." (interesting here, also, is that he refers to Ethier as being in the class of players like Martin, Kemp and Loney. it's, of course, completely untrue from a talent perspective, but it might suggest that Ethier's not going to be relegated to the bench by Pierre.)

"[I]n LaRoche's case, if he can be productive even part-time, I'd be willing to give him an opportunity to stay. Abreu, due to his versatility in the infield, perhaps the same. ... I think both players may have an opportunity to be here less than full-time."

"We need somebody with Abreu's versatility. We need somebody with (Chin-Lung) Hu's versatility - at least one or the other, if not both"

asked about the possibility of an Ethier-Jones-Kemp outfield (i.e., sitting Pierre): "It's a Joe Torre question, but it's not out of the realm of possibility....I like the competition of it. Nothing wrong with competition. When you have competition, you have a chance to be a better club. Just like at third base. Let the players decide who's gonna play and how often they're gonna play."

On Kershaw: "He's not somebody that we're going to delay his arrival... He may be here before he's completely ready, depending on injuries. But there's still some refinement for him, still some of the finer points of the art of pitching that he's still learning. He's not 20 years old yet. But he's got tremendous ability.""

On Kuo (then Greg Miller): "We had the same hope a year ago, after how he pitched at the end of the '06 season. He's another one that feels fine right now, but we'll have to wait and see. We could use him. We don't have many left-handed pitchers. Greg Miller's another one, another lefthander that's got a chance to make this club."

DeJon Watson on Miller: "He was in Arizona Fall League, and he's healthy. The velocity was back last year - he was anywhere from 92 to 97 (mph) the entire year. The command was the thing we were really trying to harness through the course of the year."

There's also info on Schmidt's recovery, Kershaw talking about his plans to refine his change-up this year (and also discussing command issues), a little talk about the possibility of Kershaw being promoted to the bullpen, and a little more talk on Delwyn Young and Hu making the team.

Anyway, this diary is already pretty massive. But it's a lot of "news." And spring is in the air! Can you feel it?

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Whew
I was worried for a moment.  I saw the headline and figured he'd signed Royce Clayton.
The Dodgers won't win a playoff series until the Cool-a-Coo returns.

by mckeeno on Jan 17, 2008 9:35 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hey man
What's the Cool-a-Coo? It's been driving me sorta nuts.
Manny Parra is my favorite pitcher.

by PujolsJunkie on Jan 17, 2008 9:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cool-a-Coo
The Cool-a-Coo was the greatest ice cream novelty known to man.  It was a vanilla ice cream in between two gingerbread cookies that was entirely covered in  a dark chocolate shell.  It was a Dodger Stadium staple until the Fox corporation bought the team and installed Aramark as the food service provider.  The Cool-a-Coo was made by a small southern California company and Aramark refused to work with them.  As the Dodgers were an exceptionally huge part of their  revenue, the company that made the Cool-a-Coo eventually had to declare bankruptcy and the Cool-a-Coo vanished from all freezer sections.  As a young kid, I'd always get a Cool-a-Coo during the 7th inning stretch.  If I could purchase and consume it before the top of the 8th, the Dodgers would win guaranteed.  Since the Cool-a-Coo has vanished, the Dodgers have won 1 playoff game - I don't think it's a coincidence.
The Dodgers won't win a playoff series until the Cool-a-Coo returns.

by mckeeno on Jan 17, 2008 9:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta say
That sounds like a damn good thing to have during the stretch. I fully support your crusade and will update my signature to accomodate it.
Manny Parra is my favorite pitcher.

by PujolsJunkie on Jan 17, 2008 10:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that sounds like an It's-It
is it the same company that makes those?

by count sutton on Jan 17, 2008 1:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's It
is a chocolate chip cookie inside, isn't it?

by Sox Puppet on Jan 17, 2008 1:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re:
Cool-a-Coo
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen.

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2008 9:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No Cool-a-Coo
As a Giants fan I'm quite happy they don't see those things anymore if it keeps the Dodgers from winning any playoff games.

by JPro on Jan 18, 2008 1:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha
yeah....sorry about that.

Clayton would look good in Dodger blue, though. maybe Colletti can coax Darren Lewis out of retirement and sign him, too.

by bleedjaxblue on Jan 17, 2008 12:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he doesnt trust laroche
for whatever reason, can anyone explain why they were in the 3b prospect earlier in the offseason, probably still are

by rayver723 on Jan 17, 2008 12:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

3rd base market, you mean?
they weren't. the media was shopping for them. and they aren't now.

by bleedjaxblue on Jan 17, 2008 12:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

also
its confirmed that they are moving Meloan back to a starting role.

by npurcell on Jan 17, 2008 12:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

thanks!
knew i forgot to copy-and-paste a section

by bleedjaxblue on Jan 17, 2008 12:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I havn't read the article, but I will...
in the meantime, is this move just to get him innings, fill a rotation hole in LV, or to get him ready to be an MLB SP?

by cooper7d7 on Jan 17, 2008 12:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

whoa, interesting
i guess it gives them more options. still, one would think that his future is in the pen.

by jpahk on Jan 17, 2008 1:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

what happens long term...
with laroche/hu/dewitt/dejesus/bell/abreu/baez etc that very good infield depth

would it be tough to pry away any of hu/dejesus/dewitt?

A's have still yet  to add any infield prospects, but would it take much to get any of them away as B/C+ prospects?

right now i'm thinking dodgers dont need an blanton/street/ellis/chavez A's best trade chips.

maybe all prospect deal? Simmons/Robnett/Bailey for Dejesus/Dewitt?

by rayver723 on Jan 17, 2008 12:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

street
I think the Dodgers would be greatly interested in Street; especially with Saito being like 38 and all.

by npurcell on Jan 17, 2008 12:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

true, what would you give up?
Street gets the injury prone label and from talks w/ dodgers fans they dont want street, due to saito/broxton/meloan. so not a need at the moment

by rayver723 on Jan 17, 2008 12:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

needs
the thing is, the dodgers don't really -need- anything.  i guess they need starting pitching, in the sylvia plath, we-all-need-starting-pitching sense, but they've got more upper-level SP prospect depth that most teams.  then they go three deep in the bullpen as you say, have one of the better young catchers, loney for 1B, kent / abreu / hu at 2B, furcal / hu / dejesus at SS, nomar / laroche / abreu / dewitt at 3B (not that i really think dewitt is actually a real prospect), and their OF logjam is well-documented.  i really see no need for them to shuffle prospects; their talent is distributed pretty evenly as it is.  

by wily mo on Jan 17, 2008 1:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

question....
i'm kind of curious what you're opinion of Josh Bell is

by bleedjaxblue on Jan 17, 2008 5:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

incomplete
i'm not really sold, on either him or baez.  bell's numbers weren't bad at all for the MWL, especially the power.  but sort of like wieters vs. clement, i prefer the purer hitters on principle.  he's a body, but i don't find him that interesting yet.

by wily mo on Jan 17, 2008 6:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

interesting
thanks for the take! i'm kind of confused what to make of him, so that definitely helps.

by bleedjaxblue on Jan 17, 2008 7:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hmm
If you pull my arm, I would probably give up Dejesus and Meloan for Street.

by npurcell on Jan 18, 2008 5:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1
I think it's very unlikely that Dejesus ever eclipses Hu. So you're not giving up much there. Street is a more proven commodity than Meloan while also being young.
Overlord has the worst collection of position players I've ever seen from somebody who actually felt their roster was pimp worthy

by McLovin on Jan 19, 2008 12:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I Fell Mislead
Everything I read right there sounds like the mind of a very sane man trying to lead his team to victory.

by rwperu34 on Jan 17, 2008 12:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

+1
Have to agree,though the bit about reading a lot into a prospect's spring is at the very least suspect.  It does explain why Colletti hasn't seemed to express much confidence in Laroche before this year, as he's had slow starts in spring training.
Also, the bit about Miller possibly making the club out of spring - he can't find the strike zone, walking better than 1 an inning.  He'll have to have one hell of a spring.

by dodgem on Jan 17, 2008 1:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
I was expecting to read that somehow Kemp, LaRoche, and Loney were going to be bench players.

by marcello on Jan 17, 2008 1:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pierre and Nomar
The Giants fan in me wants to see Pierre and Nomar start every game.  The baseball fan in me wants to see Pierre and Nomar benched.

by marcello on Jan 17, 2008 3:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And then
And then your objective side kicks in and you realize it really doesn't matter to Giants fans this season.  :)

by sharksrog on Jan 18, 2008 4:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha
True.  But, in a season that is obviously going to be a failure I can at least root for the Dodgers to fail too.

by marcello on Jan 18, 2008 2:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

To be honest
To be honest, if the Giants do poorly, it doesn't matter to me how the Dodgers do.  It also doesn't matter to me if the Giants do well.

I care about only one team.

by sharksrog on Jan 20, 2008 12:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yup
that was the point -- everyone's being mislead about what Colletti thinks. i was kind of trying to play off that to get some people to read what's actually going on.

not that Colletti isn't an idiot sometimes (the last off-season's signings of Pierre, Schmidt and Nomar), but he's not the type of idiot people make him out to be. he's actually (imagine this) aware of the same issues and same prospects that people on this web site are. and he values them.

by bleedjaxblue on Jan 17, 2008 3:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so basically
Nomar and Pierre are either going to sit as wasted money - so he's insanely stupid for not realizing what everyone else did that those signings were horribly horribly short-sighted given the fact that they already had suitable options at those positions last year.

Or

one of Kemp/Ethier and LaRoche will sit, in which case he's just plain retarded.

or

Nomar and LaRoche will get about 300 AB each, and Kemp, Ethier, and Pierre will all get about 300-400 AB each in which case he's wasted a significant amount of money, overvalued "flexibility", and refused to put a consistent lineup.  

I would imagine it's going to be largely option C, but since Torre is a "veteran" guy, it's going to be biased towards option B.

by Galt on Jan 17, 2008 5:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

short-sighted and stupid, yes
but i think, as far as he was concerned, the money is worth less than the cost (from a media perspective) if they went into a year relying on a prospect who struggled. honestly, i don't think teams in the upper half of baseball are that pressed for money, so overpaying and wasting contracts isn't the worst thing in the world.

also, sitting Ethier isn't "plain retarded." playing Pierre is retarded. but don't mistake Ethier as an above-average left fielder.

honestly, i'm not positive how it will play out. if i had to guess, it'll be 200 at bats for Nomar, 400 for LaRoche (though Nomar being Loney's backup could play into the equation too). i'm way less sure about the outfield, but i'm pretty positive that neither Ethier nor Pierre will significantly cut into Kemp's playing time. also, just worth mentioning -- i love, love, love Kemp for his upside, but his stats from last year really were an illusion. if you want to know someone who's going to Jeff Francouer on everybody, it's Matt Kemp, unless he learned some pitch recognition in the off-season. he's still a good player (and should start over the other two), but i'd temper expectations a little.

by bleedjaxblue on Jan 17, 2008 5:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kemp
Frenchy went nuts his first two months in the bigs, then cooled off considerably.  Kemp has spent the better part of the last year and a half in the bigs, and really has yet to cool off.  So while I agree to temper the expectations a bit (he's not going 30/30 in 2008), I also would not expect a Frenchy-like adjustment period (Frenchy's 2006).

I still say Kemp is LA's best OF right now.  Jones may prove me wrong, but he struggled mightily last year despite being in a contract year.  If Kemp sits to let Pierre/Ethier get some AB's, then Colleti/Torre made a huge mistake.  If it is Ethier sitting though, I have much less of a problem with it.  

by guru4u on Jan 18, 2008 1:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dodger fan:
Please tell me what the Dodgers are going to do with CHIN-LUNG HU this year and the foreseeable future.  Is he their future at 2b after Jeff Kent hangs them up or does he take over at SS for Furcal when he goes?  Or does he get dealt?  And what does he do in the meantime?  Also, is his gap power for real or is he going to be a .290/.315/.420 hitter?  

Need some help from Dodger fans.

by The Colonel on Jan 17, 2008 7:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Furcal
will stick around this year and probably for awhile unless the incompetent Ned Colletti drops off the face of the earth.  What the Dodgers line-up should be is so simple:

martin
Loney
Kent
Furcal
LaRoche
Eithier 7
Jones  8
Kemp 9

Of course the disasterous signing of Pierre totall screws up the outfield and contemplating starting the washed up Garciappara doesn't help.  Fortunately, try as Ned did, they did not pick up a third baseman.  Although Ned could still make that mistake!

by butkussayers on Jan 18, 2008 11:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hu
Both Kent and Furcal have one more year with the Dodgers, and neither is likely to be re-signed thereafter. Though Colletti suggested that both Hu and Abreu could make the team, this is really unlikely. More likely, one or the other will make the team as a super-utility infielder.

Given his age and defensive prowess (or lack thereof), Kent will likely need to be spelled a fair number of games. Also, whichever back-up (Hu or Abreu) makes the majors will take over for Kent when the Dodgers are leading late.

If Abreu makes the majors, Hu will likely start the year at triple-A (and continue playing there until someone gets injured, traded or September -- whichever comes first).

As of 2009, Hu will be their starting shortstop (don't panic if Colletti signs an old, cheap backup for a year or two -- it'll just be because he doesn't like handing positions to rookies without a backup plan). Abreu is likely to play second base long-term, and I don't think DeJesus is a serious threat to take over short.

Personally, I'm not sure what to make of his power. He certainly seems to have gained a lot of it this year, but I don't want to make too much of his short sample in the majors, and his time in the minors is tough to interpret, since it all either happened at a level he was repeating (double-A) or Las Vegas (not a real ballpark). I think it's fair to say he has more power than, say, Cesar Izturis (Keith Law's comp from 2006) -- but how much is tough to say.

by bleedjaxblue on Jan 18, 2008 11:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm no Coletti fan
But just reading the comments, they sound sort of reasonable. At least he hasn't traded his top prospects and wants to give them opportunities.

We all know that Torre will give LaRoche the nod over Nomar and Kemp the nod over Pierre. But the kids have to earn it. If I were a Dodger fan, I'd be pretty excited about this team.

cmathewson

by cmathewson on Jan 18, 2008 2:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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