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going... going... GONE off Roger Clemens.

He looks good at the plate so far.

It's still amazing that he went from A+ to MLB within a month without having ridiculous production there.

Thoughts on how he'll do if they let him start for the rest of the season?

                                                               

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It was a shot
to dead centerfield.  Looks like he can hit the ball in the air.
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by lemonjello on Aug 18, 2007 5:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Though
He looks awful in the field.. Just kidding has to get used to corner OF..

he's a superstar in the making but I'm not sure how much success he can sustain at this level..

I guess .270 6 17

by Maine Man on Aug 18, 2007 5:26 PM EDT reply actions  

oops
sustain at this level so early in his career*

by Maine Man on Aug 18, 2007 5:27 PM EDT reply actions  

If they let him start for the rest of the season
then he will be playing well.  If he doesn't perform he will go back down because Detroit is in a pennant race and can't afford to start a guy that isn't producing.  Thats why Monroe got the axe.

by SBcaptain2 on Aug 18, 2007 5:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Clemens should be ejected again
Clemens is a big baby kind of reminds me of Paul O'neal..

Just because your old A** couldn't get one by a 2 day rookie doesn't mean you have to hit him... it should be a wakeup call that you don't deserve the money your getting..

Clemens should be suspended again for throwing at a batter it couldn't of been more obvious.

by Maine Man on Aug 18, 2007 5:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Are You Nuts?
He hit him with an 0-2 pitch to load the bases for one of the best hitters vs. RHP in major league baseball.

I'm not a Clemens fan or anything (nor am I a hater), but your claim is about as crazy as advocating a trade for Ronny Paulino.

A Steve Trachsel pitched game moves faster than Pirate management moves their prospects.

by RDoumit41 on Aug 18, 2007 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clemens is nuts
so he could have been throwing at Maybin.  He kept going inside and eventually hit him.

by SBcaptain2 on Aug 18, 2007 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not HIT on purpose
He meant to go inside he didnt mean to hit him. Maybin was standing right over the plate so Clemens went inside, he just happened to hit him.

That is the definiton of good pitching

by Kanst42 on Aug 18, 2007 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

pitch inside if you want to be a great pitcher
If you don't and leave the ball over the plate your average at best.

by Bravesin07 on Aug 18, 2007 5:57 PM EDT reply actions  

hahaha
0-2 and he was trying to hit him. great logic

quite the improvement over yesterday, probably one of the worst debuts ive seen from a rookie. at least 3 runs he was defensively responsible for because of  horrible play in the OF, several stranded at the plate and then running into a ball he bounced off the plate.

by PooNani on Aug 18, 2007 6:02 PM EDT reply actions  

nah
how about ron wright '02? in his MLB debut vs kenny rogers, he went 0-for-3. he struck out once, grounded into a double play, and to top it all off, hit into a triple play. now that is a bad debut.

oh, and he hasn't made it back to the majors since. so for his MLB career he has made 6 outs in 3 PA.

by jpahk on Aug 20, 2007 6:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was clearly still looking....
... like a rookie early with that blunder in the field. It looked like he was really wanting to make a big play to prove he belongs and was pressing.

Hes looking a lot more comfortable after that single on the hit and run. Good call by Leyland to call that.

The homerun was a bomb to center. And he hit it off a splitter which I thought was pretty impressive for him (even though Clemens missed it up by a little bit).

by grozzy on Aug 18, 2007 6:05 PM EDT reply actions  

A couple more thoughts:
1.) I havent seen enough to know if it really is a valid comparison, but Maybin looks a lot like Vlad at the plate, IMO. He seems like his swing can get to pitches outside the zone a bit and hes got the size and looks like he has some serious power. I wouldnt be at all surprised if thats the type of output Maybin will be able to put out as he matures.

2.) It looked like, in the 3rd AB, that Clemens/Posada may have found a spot to exploit. He couldnt lay off the high fastball on 0-1 and was clearly going to go after it again on 0-2 until he realized it was coming at him and got beaned. Maybin looked good against lower fastballs and splitters, but I havent seen him against a curve or slider.

You can see the hype though when hes out there. He has all the tools to be an elite player. I really think hes going to be a superstar.

He still has a ways to go though. Expect a long adjustment period with a lot of Ks soon though. If he works through it though, hes going to be awesome.

by grozzy on Aug 18, 2007 6:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: vlad
not sure how anyone could comp Maybin to Vlad with a straight face. Vlad has had seasons where he's whiffed < 10% of the time. Maybin has always been above 25%.

by McLovin on Aug 18, 2007 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I explicitly said....
... that I hadnt seen enough to know if the comparison is valid, but I compared how they look at the plate.

Maybin is very close size-wise to Vlad, though needs to fill out more.

Maybin seems like he can reach out and get to bad balls and still makes contact. I feel like his contact rate will be better as he gets pro experience than he has shows in the minors. Im not saying he will have Vlad-esque contact rates, but I feel like he will hit over or around .300 after hes gone through some adjustments.

Maybin has a high torque swing like Vlad. Maybe that was just today, but it sure looked like it to me today.

Lastly I thought he looked like vlad leaving the box heading to first. I feel like that is because, like Vlad, hes a huge guy with a lot of speed.

Again, they are just my thoughts. Obviously he wont be exactly like Vlad. Players are never exactly like their comparables, but I see a lot of similarities.

by grozzy on Aug 18, 2007 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1
I watched the game today and looking at him my first thought was Vlad. They are both tall and have real long legs.

by Kanst42 on Aug 18, 2007 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

eh
you're seeing Vlad because you want to see it. I'll give you the legs. But the swing is more Torii Hunter than Vlad.

by McLovin on Aug 19, 2007 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your not.......
Scouts and others have mentioned the Vlad comps as well.

Like you said, this doesn't mean every aspect of Vlad's game, but as far as size, and plate coverage I clearly see it.

This is fun though. It's also great to see the armchair hack scouts who wouldn't shut up about him not being able to hit a ball in the air silenced. Double the pleasure.

by Bondomania on Aug 18, 2007 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Didn't See His Other AB's...
...but right when I saw the video of his HR on MLB.com, I thought Torii Hunter.  Not saying that's his ultimate ceiling, but he looked like Hunter at the plate.  I think a more physically gifted Torii Hunter is a good comp, and would make a lot of Detroit fans happy.  Also, based on his size and talents, I've told many people that I think vintage Andre Dawson could be another possibility.  We'll see.

by Brett Keith on Aug 18, 2007 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

He looks like Pedro Cerrano
hahah j/k, he doesn't set up like Vlad.  He looks a bit like Beltran.  A lot of young hitter have trouble with high one.

by Bravesin07 on Aug 18, 2007 6:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybin
I still think he looks like a young Eric Davis.  He's tall and wiry with good speed and good power.  Not a perfect comparison in terms of potential because I think Maybin gets on base more often, but physically they are pretty similar.  Davis was excellent at his peak, but got derailed by frequent injuries.

by dj @ Minor League Ball on Aug 18, 2007 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is true that...
... its not an uncommon problem, but it certainly looked like a hole that pitchers might exploit for a bit. He also looks like he should be able to adjust to it. He wasnt that far off the 0-1 high fastball. If he adjusts he should be able to kill high fastballs in the zone. He'll hit some monster HRs that way too.

He looks like he should be able to have plate coverage like Vlad though. Maybe not to that extreme, but he looks like he will be able to get to pitches around, but outside the strike zone and still put a powerful swing into them.

I dont know about Beltran, I just dont see it.

Another thing I noticed that reminded me of Vlad was the way he took off after making contact. He just looked like Vlad leaving the box.

I dont necessarily have as great an eye for this sort of thing as others, but those are just in the notes Ive been taking watching the game.

by grozzy on Aug 18, 2007 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just from watching this game
I understand the hype of this kid.  Him and Upton could be the two best all around outfielders for at least the next decade.

by Bravesin07 on Aug 18, 2007 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

He said "could"
This implies that there is a chance of failure when it comes to Maybin or Upton. Not so with our favorite slap-hitting speedster.

by mrkupe on Aug 18, 2007 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lets see how Maybin does against Rivera
That should be very interesting.  You guys rag me too much about Gomez, his stock has dropped in my eyes a lot due to the Hand injury.  Many of you guys here said that Maybin would be the slap hitter due to his groundball hits.

by Bravesin07 on Aug 18, 2007 6:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree
You do get dogged too much about Gomez.  You were an unabashed fan of a toolsy outfielder, and get bashed because of it.  Should we (see diary 5 below this) get to bash all of the Dukes apologists?  
Should we all just love Felix, and Upton and Delmon, and never profess any high hopes for a guy outside the top 10?  
And it is interesting to see Maybin face Rivera...

by drwmsu1 on Aug 18, 2007 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybin K'd
didn't look foolish but was overpowered by a 95 MPH fastball.  2nd pitch was a borderline strike IMO.

by Bravesin07 on Aug 18, 2007 7:09 PM EDT reply actions  

The 1-1 and 1-2 pitch...
... were beautiful pitches by Rivera. 94/95 right on the low outside corner.

Maybin K'd, but didnt look bad against Rivera. Those were just very good pitches by a very good closer.

by grozzy on Aug 18, 2007 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Defense
This guy is supposed to have a plus arm? In the 6th inning there was a groundball hit to LF and he had the ball in very short LF with A-Rod not even to 3B yet and his throw was weak and offline. The next hit was another poor throw

by PooNani on Aug 18, 2007 7:15 PM EDT reply actions  

My notes (just from watching on Fox...
... and taking video of his ABs to look them over during commercials)

Maybin:
Fielding blunder: Still looks very nervous. Seems like he wants to make big plays to prove himself. Needs to get comfortable and just play the game. Let the plays come naturally instead of trying to force himself to be able to make a big splash right away. Let his talent take care of him.

AB1: Took a good pitch for a called strike 1. Looked more comfortable at the plate.
Singled through 2B on a hit and run with a 0-1 count. Did a good job of going the other way with a splitter and slapping it through a hole. I like the call for a hit and run there. Knowing Maybin is pressing it was smart to get him to just focus on making contact at all. Hopefully this will relax him at the plate and in the field.

AB2: Took first pitch for a ball. He swung and fouled the ball down the first baseline on pitch 2. On the third pitch he drove the ball deep over the centerfield fence. It again looked like a splitter low in the zone, a little higher than Posada wanted it. Maybin took off out of the box, seeming pretty excited, but I don't know that he knew it was out. That was a bomb though.

NOTE: Maybin has done a very good job about getting to splitters low in the zone. I haven't seen any breaking pitches out of the zone to see if he'll chase them, but he seems to be able to stay on pitches with a lot of downward movement.

AB3: Took first pitch again for a strike. Looks like McClendon really wanted him to relax at the plate. Probably told him to go up there looking to take the first pitch every time. Second pitch is a high fastball that Clemens blows right by him. I get the general feeling that pitchers with good fastballs are going to be able to attack him there effectively for now. If he can adjust though, given his size/strength, he's going to hit some absolutely monster home runs when he gets ahold of those pitches. For now I get the feeling that its going to be a bit of a hole in his swing. Clemens and Posada must have seen it too, because they came back up and in with a fastball on 0-2. Unfortunately for the Yanks, it came in too far and hit Maybin in the wrist for an HBP. Until it started coming too far in, it looked like Maybin wanted it. I get the feeling that high fastball is going to be an issue going forward for him.

Maybe not. In looking at it again, he wasn't far behind it and was pretty on it location-wise with his bat. Im curious to see what happens when pitchers attack him there more.

AB4:
Rivera blew him away. He look that first pitch again for a strike. I feel like its good right now to get him to take his time and do this though it probably isn't helping him much being behind 0-1 each AB. Took the second pitch low and away for ball one. The 1-1 pitch was right on the corner and at the knees and he took for strike 2. Finally Rivera put another 95 mph cutter low and away and Maybin swung through it. Didn't look real bad in the strikeout, the 1-1 and 1-2 pitcher were beautifully placed by Rivera.

by grozzy on Aug 18, 2007 7:29 PM EDT reply actions  

great analysis
I love this AB by AB analysis, but I think it's hasty to use one game to judge his abilities...
Hey fish, leave those kids alone!

by The Congo Hammer on Aug 18, 2007 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks...
... and yeah, those were just my thoughts as things were happening. Im excited to watch more of him playing. Unfortunately Im in SF for work and not back to MI for another week so I cant watch Tigers games on local stations till then.

by grozzy on Aug 18, 2007 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pelfry
I was at the Z's game tonight and saw Mike Pelfry and Joe Smith. Pelfry impressed me with his fastball (fast and well located) and seemed to have an average/ slightly below average change up which he used well. His slider, while it looked like a good pitch, was  probably not thrown for a strike all night, as a result several balls were smoked off of him.  Joe Smith impressed me. His sidearm delivery was good and he had excellent speed for a sidearmer and he had some just nasty pitch (curveball?) on which he struck out the last batter he faced, i don't think I saw him face a lefty though. Disclaimer- I'm not a scout, just a fan and thought i'd give my impression and missed the first inning where Pelfry got bombed.

by wir963 on Aug 18, 2007 11:08 PM EDT reply actions  

wrong thread
Sorry posted this in the wrong thread, my bad

by wir963 on Aug 18, 2007 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very impressive today.. still though..
Austin Jackson, is 2 month older, in the same A+ league as Maybin, and putting up better numbers.

I knowh he's slumping lately but with only a bit to go in the minor league season he'd have to completely bomb to the finish to finish significantly worse than Maybin.

I'm not saying Jackson = Maybin, but could there be a chance that a Yankee prospect is a bit underrated ? o_O

by RollingWave on Aug 19, 2007 12:51 AM EDT reply actions  

There's more
to being a good baseball player at the MLB level or any than just raw numbers. Replace "good" with "hyped/anticipated" I suppose.

Maybins numbers are now more than ever looking as if they were indeed made somewhat misleading in regards of rumors of a back injury. It seems in a way the shoulder injury which sat him out for a month allowed him as well to rest up his back or whatever was nagging him. His numbers since coming back are as good as what his peers were
doing.

I'm not sure anyways were you are getting he put up better or similar numbers.

Maybin

.316 91 323 68 102 15 5 14 53 169 51 91 25 6 .409 .523 .932

Jackson

.289 114 443 77 128 27 4 12 50 199 39 96 28 9 .352 .449 .801

He has only 12 hr's 27 doubles and 4 triples in over 100 more ab's than Maybin. Higher BA,SLG,OPS...Obp.etc. Shoot, with a 120 less ab's Maybin actually had 3 more rbi's as well. I really think with a healthy back and no missed time Maybin would easily have had about 30 doubles, 20 dingers and 2-3 more triples and probably around another 10-15 sb's

Maybin has a higher k rate, but also a higher walk rate. You must also factor in to how Maybin was being pitched to at High A. Reports were saying he was getting junk for the most part and in order to sometimes make something happen would swing for stuff he probably normally wouldn't swing at. This is the case though with a lot of oyung stud hitters coming up.

Having a better pedigree of hitters around you in a batting lineup makes a huge difference to how you are being pitched. In AA Maybin had others around him(Joyce,Thomas,Larish..etc) whereas in Lakeland....pretty much zilch. Better lineups force pitchers to actually "pitch to you". I think this factor has been seriously overlooked when evaluating Maybin's raw numbers.

Now Jackson numbers are not bad, but I don't see  with or without the numbers how he'd be considered near the prospect as Maybin, or in your case matched hype.( I know you said he does not equal, but nonetheless)) Thats without throwing in arm,defense,size, and project-ability, which Maybin still has plenty of. Work ethic and the mental aspect of the game are areas that Maybin as wells is tops in. I must say I have no idea where Jackson rates in those two areas, but they can't be better than Maybins I'll tell you that. Maybe they match or come close, but I seriously doubt surpass.

Maybin WAS in the same league I think you meant as well ;)

I guess my only question is why would you say still impressive...but.....when commenting on Maybins game today and then bring up Jacksons numbers immediately as a comp. I guess I don't see the same type of prospect status or hype warranted. You also have to remmeber Maybin was a top ten pick, so hype would be ramped up just because of that alone.

by Bondomania on Aug 19, 2007 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

you might want to amend this a little
"Austin Jackson, is 2 month older, in the same A+ league as Maybin, and putting up better numbers."

Should say that he is in the same league that Cameron Maybin was in before he got called up to AA and before he got called up to MLB.

Maybin's minor league stats in 2007 (2 games in GCL, 83 in FSL, 6 in EL): .316/.409/.523

Jackson in 2007 (60 in Sally, 54 in FSL):  .289/.352/.449

You can pick out whatever numbers you want, but on the whole Maybin had much better numbers at a higher level of play (didn't play half the year in the Sally League).  Maybin also was significantly better in 2006 (.304/.387/.457 vs .260/.340/.346).

Jackson might be underrated (I have no idea what he is "rated"), but comparing him to Maybin isn't a good way to make that case.

by dj @ Minor League Ball on Aug 19, 2007 7:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

seriously
that arm is poor

by PooNani on Aug 19, 2007 3:04 PM EDT reply actions  

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