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*Assuming that Western civilization still exists 100 years from now, Major League Baseball, Sesame Street, and the Star Trek franchise will still exist and still be popular.
*The paper dollar should be phased out completely by 2010 and replaced with dollar coins. I would do it gradually over a three-year period, produce fewer and fewer paper dollars and more and more dollar coins, give people time to adjust. But the paper dollar is just annoying and is inefficient. It needs to go, the sooner the better.

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Dollar Bill
We've (Canada) had 1 and 2 dollar coins for a number of years.  Much much better than bills.

The next thing that needs to go is the penny.  Things would work very well with the nickel being the smallest coin.

by GregJP on Aug 16, 2007 9:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Penny
Agree on the penny, it is far more inefficient than any other money. Costs more than a penny to make a penny, doesn't make much sense. Just round everything off to the nearest .05 and be done with it.

I don't mind dollar bills, I don't care for all the extra coins I have to have jingling around my pocket.

As far as baseball, it will be interesting where it will be in 100 years. Considering how the game has changed in the last 100 years.

"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." -Red Barber

by e 6 on Aug 16, 2007 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The penny, the nickel, the dime & the quarter
Agreed.

It's about time for Mr. Goodcents to add another meal to their menu anyway.

by Stat Ninja on Aug 16, 2007 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dollar coin
is so much more annoying than the dollar bill.

It sucks having a wad of coins in my pocket, and how am I supposed to go to a strip club with dollar coins?

by Curtis Pride on Aug 16, 2007 9:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good point
that's a good point about strip clubs. didn't think about that. maybe people will have to start using $5s. The strippers deserve it anyway, they have a tough job.

by John Sickels on Aug 16, 2007 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe strip joint will
have Strip Dollar bills, you know you put a dollar coin in a machine and get a bill thats say "Strip Cash". Then the stripper can cash it in at the end of the night so she doesnt have to carry a coin holder.

by Rajah358 on Aug 16, 2007 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Strip Cash
Strip Cash > Schrute Bucks

by rick on Aug 16, 2007 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha
this whole thread makes me laugh. somehow i am reminded of going to chuck e cheese as a kid and cashing in actual money for chuck e cheese tokens, which can only be redeemed for games at chuck e cheese.

by jpahk on Aug 16, 2007 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

bah...
Canadian strippers take the coins - it can actually be more fun than putting a paper bill in a g-string...
You realize that prospect lists have a time horizon of like 5-10 years, not 5-10 days, right?

by slurve on Aug 16, 2007 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol
In Canada we don't do the $1 thing (not in any club I've been in). That is so passe. Here we have $10 dances, worth your money (full contact). Not that I've tried it. lol

by pedrophile on Aug 16, 2007 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1
I absolutely hate carrying coins in my pocket and then rummaging around for the right ones to pay exact amounts.  Much easier to hand over bills and get coins in return.  Problem is they build up.

by DrBGiantsfan on Aug 16, 2007 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree 100%
Dollar coins suck, I hate them. There is nothing more annoying then buying a subway token and getting 14 coins in return.

If you want to phase out the paper dollar, start printing dollars on plastic. That way they will last better and you can even buy in some RFID stuff to combat counterfeiting

by Kanst42 on Aug 16, 2007 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No plastic
Unless the plastic bills are made from Cereplast resin, that would be horrible for the environment.

Obviously very few waiters/waitresses/bartenders on this forum.  Those jobs would get really heavy without the paper dollar.

by Stat Ninja on Aug 16, 2007 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I spend at least 90%
of my daily walking around money on credit cards.

even bars on the weekend (though I'm sure they probably add drinks to the bill), lunch, supermarket, corner store, etc.

Everything possible.  Not only is faster and cheaper (since I get rewards points back), but I rarely have to deal with coins.

If you spend time in Europe, you'll hate the dollar coins, they are everywhere.

by Curtis Pride on Aug 16, 2007 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Europe
That was exactly what I was coming in here to comment on.  I've spent the last month in Europe, primarily in London, and there is nothing I hate more than the £1 coin (with the exception of the 2p coin that is the largest coin that they have, but that is for another discussion).  I absolutely hated carrying around those coins.  They would build up in my pocket and weigh down my pants so incredibly bad.  I also felt really bad when I would pay for something that was like £4 in just coins.

Also, in regards to the strip club question, I had the same thought after not having $1 bills for a month.  I kept asking people where you would put the coins and I got 2 responses.  First, I had some friends who went to a strip club in Germany and they did what was suggested earlier-turn your coins into strip club money that the strippers would later change into real money.  The second suggestion was that the strippers could where like a change purse, or something along those lines strapped to their thigh or other part of their body.

by hurley325 on Aug 16, 2007 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pacman
Imagine Pacman Jones "Making it Rain" with $81,000 worth of coins.

by JFP on Aug 16, 2007 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pacman with Coins
"Making It Landslide."

by FlipYrWhig on Aug 16, 2007 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Better grab an umbrella
NL West, Prepare to be Ledezmarized

by Grrranderson on Aug 16, 2007 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder how baseball bats and balls will be
and if pitchers wear helmets and visors to avoid getting hit in the head by linedrives.

by Bravesin07 on Aug 16, 2007 11:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Penny first
I agree that the paper dollar is due for a coin replacement, but I think the penny should be eliminated first.

Did baseball ever find its way into the Star Trek universe?  I wonder if Worf would be accused of taking steroids. ;)

100 years from now will the US have finally gone metric?  Scouts will be looking for kids throwing 160 kph...

by HavyBeaks on Aug 16, 2007 11:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

DS9
Deep Space Nine had a few references to baseball.

by cooper7d7 on Aug 16, 2007 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

coinage
+1 on the penny. the penny was obsolete decades ago. i can't believe it still exists. pennies make me ANGRY.

but i'll come down on the side in favor of dollar coins:

  1. dollar bills have a life expectancy of 18 months. that sucks.
  2. you wouldn't need to have vending machines that recognize bills any more. well, at least vending machines for things like snacks and soda. for machines that deal in larger currencies (e.g. train & subway ticket machines), they already use dollar coins to give change, since giving bills in change is hard to do for a machine.
  3. people complain that they'd have to carry around too much weight in dollar coins, but dollar coins don't necessarily have to be big and heavy. and it means you wouldn't need to tote around a zillion quarters (currently the largest useful coinage unit) for laundry, parking, etc., so it could actually help reduce the weight of coins overall.

by jpahk on Aug 16, 2007 12:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

pennies
i've been secretly chucking surplus pennies onto the top of the vending machine at work just to unclutter my pockets

they don't know it's me

by wily mo on Aug 16, 2007 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The penny definitely needs to go
The problem is it seems a large percentage of the population has some emotional attachment to it or something.  I saw a poll on the CNN Money website about a year ago asking you think the US should eliminate the Penny and something like 75% were saying no, keep the penny.  I was shocked.
NL West, Prepare to be Ledezmarized

by Grrranderson on Aug 16, 2007 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, please
pennies MUST go. I have given back pennies, or loosely thrown them around as change for over 10 years now.

All merchants should be forced to round-up or round-down to the nearest nickel.

So, simple and productive.

by floridamarlinscards on Aug 21, 2007 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pennies
It's an idiosyncratic kind of thing, I guess, but I just grab 4 pennies from the change stash just about every day when I head out the door.  I use the pennies to make sure that I get change without pennies, and that way I'm just about assured of coming home with fewer pennies than I had when I left.

by FlipYrWhig on Aug 17, 2007 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really??
Who carries cash anymore?  I haven't for years.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by HuskerBob on Aug 16, 2007 12:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Debit Cards
Debit Cards are really the best way to go now for everyday spending.  Makes it easy to track your spending down to the exact penny.

by JFP on Aug 16, 2007 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why
why use a debit card when you can use a credit card?  You get the carry the cash, interest-free for a month on a credit card, and you get rewards points on credit cards that you don't get on debit cards (since credit card companies charge merchants more for credit cards than debit cards - they offer consumers incentives to use credit cards)

by Curtis Pride on Aug 16, 2007 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you always pay the balance
Sure, that's the way to go.  But if you forget to pay the balance even once, then you end up paying more interest than the rewards you earn with the points.  Some of us aren't so diligent as to pay every month.

There are quite a few places where you can't pay with credit/debit card, or where it slows you down significantly.  I usually pay in cash just because it saves me the 30 seconds.

Vice-Chairman of the Sonnanstine Underground Railroad

by Brickhaus on Aug 16, 2007 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another Reason
You also have more protections against fraud with credit cards.  Plus it's MUCH easier to use credit cards than debit cards in foreign countries.  Mahalo

Matt

I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.

by WayneCampbell05 on Aug 16, 2007 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

really?
And what foreign countries would that be?

I've been to a few. Other than Cuba I don't recall ever having problems with debit. But credit is another story.

by pedrophile on Aug 16, 2007 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1
on the credit card, not only are you protected from fraud, you can also earn points and such on some of them, here in Canada there is a PC card for free groceries!  sure it's a pittance what they give you, but it's better than debit where you are guaranteed nothing... except maybe transaction fees

by gottywhat on Aug 16, 2007 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

World Traveler
It was when I was in the Philippines last month and had a hell of a time trying to get money out of my bank account with my debit card.  It was completely hit or miss even for banks that were supposed to be in my network.  Mahalo

Matt

I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.

by WayneCampbell05 on Aug 17, 2007 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You do get that but ...
how many stores in the phils actually took credit cards? And none of the outdoor markets would accept them.

I've found that few stores take credit cards and some even charge extra. You need access to hard cash. I guess you could take a cash advance versus the credit card but then your rate is very high on that.

by pedrophile on Aug 17, 2007 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True Dat
But I always had enough cash on hand for the outdoor stores.  When I hit the shops in Manila & Cebu, I mainly stuck with the big malls.  Every store I went to accepted either Mastercard or Visa even a couple jewelry stores.  There was an international charge but they were about one or two dollars at the most so no biggie.  Finally, I'd need to know my PIN to get cash advances on my cards but I hate those high rates so I never bothered to learn them.  :)  Mahalo

Matt

I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.

by WayneCampbell05 on Aug 18, 2007 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah
as long as you are sticking with the larger malls and stores you are ok.

Personally I always bring a credit card and two bank cards to be safe. You never know what you will get.

by pedrophile on Aug 18, 2007 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1
I remember a friend going to europe and they had a HUGE difficulty using their credit cards because a lot of the merchants simply refused them because they were "a yankee card"

by gottywhat on Aug 20, 2007 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that is part of it
But many people don't realize how much credit cards charge these small businesses to be able to put sales through. The more volume the less it costs of course.

And in Europe there is no problem using the bank card. As long as you have the PLUS system or one of the other major systems you are OK.

by pedrophile on Aug 20, 2007 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a fan of coins
Plus, the economic effect of having dollar coins would be pretty large.  Basically, everyone will need to start buying European style wallets.

Definately no need for pennies anymore.  If it wasn't illegal, there would be all kind of business in melting down pennies, since the metal is worth more than the coin itself.

I doubt Star Trek will be around, but similar sci-fi programming will be around.  After 100 years of cultural development, it will just be too anachronistic; plus, at some point, the trademarks / copyrights will run out, and the market will get flooded by cheap imitators.

I can see Sesame Street still being around.  There will always be a need for it, as long as TV is still a viable medium, and they spend a lot of money to hire good writers to keep them with the times.  

I have little doubt that MLB, in some form will still be around; however, with developments in transportation, I wouldn't be shocked if it merges with NPB to create a truly world league in the latter half of the century.  The NBA will do it first, and eventually MLB will need to follow.

Vice-Chairman of the Sonnanstine Underground Railroad

by Brickhaus on Aug 16, 2007 1:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Do Pennies Still Make Sense?
Do Pennies Still Make Sense?
As Zinc Prices Rise, the Idea of Losing the Cent Gains Currency

By Jeff Donn
Associated Press
Friday, July 7, 2006

A penny used to buy a loaf of bread, but in an age of inflation and affluence, the coin is slowly sliding into monetary obsolescence.

For the first time, the U.S. Mint has said this year that pennies are costing more than 1 cent to make, thanks to higher metal prices.

That idea of spending 1.2 cents to put 1 cent into play strikes many people as "faintly ridiculous," said Jeff Gore, of Elkton, Md., founder of a group called Citizens for Retiring the Penny.

"The penny is going to disappear soon unless something changes in the economics of commodities," said Robert Hoge, an expert on North American coins at the American Numismatic Society.

Still, Gallup polling has shown that two-thirds of Americans want to keep the penny. There's even a pro-penny lobby called Americans for Common Cents.

"It's part of their past, so they want to keep it in their future," said Dave Harper, editor of Numismatic News.

The Mint's announcement is a milestone, because coins have historically cost less to produce than the face value paid by receiving banks and have usually been moneymakers for the government. Rep. Jim Kolbe (R-Ariz.) wants to keep it that way. When he asked Congress to phase out the penny five years ago, he failed; he plans to try again this year.

The idea of a penniless society began to gain currency in 1989 with a bill in Congress to round off purchases to the nearest nickel. It was dropped, but the General Accounting Office in a 1996 report acknowledged that some people consider the penny a "nuisance coin."

Copper, bronze and zinc have been used to make the penny, and steel was used in 1943 when copper was desperately needed for World War II. In 1982, zinc replaced most of the penny's copper to save money, but rising zinc prices are bedeviling the penny again.

In 2002, Gallup polling found that 58 percent of Americans stash pennies in piggy banks, jars or drawers instead of spending them like other coins. Some people eventually redeem them at banks or coin-counting machines, but 2 percent admit to throwing pennies out.

"It's outlived its usefulness," said Tony Terranova, a New York City coin dealer who paid $437,000 for a 1792 penny prototype in what is believed to be the denomination's highest auction price. "Most people find them annoying when they get them in change."

Not Edmond Knowles, of Flomaton, Ala. He hoarded pennies for nearly four decades as a hobby. He ended up with more than 1.3 million of them -- 4.5 tons -- in several drums in his garage. His bank refused to take them all at once; he finally found a coin-counting company, Coinstar Inc., that wanted the publicity.

In the biggest known penny cash-in, the company sent an armored truck last year, into which Knowles's pennies were loaded. Knowles watched helplessly as the truck sank into the mud in his yard. A tow truck rescued it. His years of collecting brought him about $1 a day -- $13,084.59 in all. Knowles, however, no longer saves pennies. "It's too big a problem getting rid of them," he said.

But others have their reasons for valuing the coin, which borrowed its colloquial name from British currency. The "cent" -- meaning 1 percent of a dollar -- has been struck every year since 1787, except 1815, when the United States ran out of British-made penny blanks after the War of 1812. "It's part of the fabric of American culture," said David Early, a spokesman for the government's Abraham Lincoln Bicentennial Commission.

The penny took on the profile of President Abraham Lincoln on the centennial of his birth in 1909. The first ones carried ears of wheat on the tails side, but the Lincoln Memorial has replaced those. Four new tails designs with themes from Lincoln's life are planned for 2009 -- the first major redesign since 1959.

Those who want to keep the penny coin include small merchants who prefer cash transactions, contractors who help supply pennies and consumer advocates who fear the rounding up of purchases.

"We think the penny is important as a hedge to inflation," said executive director Mark Weller of Americans for Common Cents. "Anytime you have more accurate pricing, consumers benefit."

Scores of charities esteem the penny, which many Americans donate without a second thought. The wireless network Virgin Mobile USA recently launched a save-the-penny campaign. Its penny truck will travel cross-country to gather pennies for charity.

"People don't like carrying them around, so we dump them into the nearest bowl," said Teddy Gross, who founded the Penny Harvest charity drive in New York City schools.

Last year, students raked in 55 million pennies. They also bagged about 200,000 spare nickels. By the way, the Mint says nickels are also costing more to produce than they are worth

by jonk1982 on Aug 16, 2007 1:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

dollar coins...
personally I hate more coins as I find that once you make coins in higher and higher denominations, things that take coins start "accepting" them and suddenly the prices for things such as a coke start going from a dollar to a dollar plus... in fact i saw a can of coke go for $2.25 coins only at a local park

ps haha don't even get ms started on bill accepting vending machines, that "zeep!  zeep!"

by gottywhat on Aug 16, 2007 10:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wait
if you hate vending machines that reject your $ bills, why are you anti-coins?

by jpahk on Aug 17, 2007 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry
i was unclear, i dislike coins of increasing denomination, like our twoonie ($2 coin)  

by gottywhat on Aug 17, 2007 1:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone who believes coins are the way to go...
spend a few months in Europe.  I moved to London 6 months ago, and outside of the weather, the 2nd worst thing about London is...THE FRICKIN 1 POUND AND 2 POUND COINS!  (Yes, the 2p coin sucks too.)  There's nothing worse than going to the grocery store and seeing the total come to 5.16, or 10.61. At that point you do what it takes to find the exact change - and yes, looking around the floor is totally acceptable - because walking around with literally and figuratively pounds of coins in your pocket isn't fun.  I implore you to make a stand against the proposed 1 dollar coin, you'll be a happier person, the nation will be happier, and yes, strippers will be happier.  

by ftheyankees on Aug 17, 2007 6:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Grocery Store
I haven't taken money to a grocery store in probably 15 years.  You do realize that there are other options.

by GregJP on Aug 17, 2007 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup, I'm well aware of the plastic option...
however, the debate was coin vs paper, not coin vs paper vs plastic.  

by ftheyankees on Aug 18, 2007 6:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

$$ and coins - "fiat money"
My two cents (I couldn't resist)

I agree with above posts that point out the use of credit/debit cards for most day-to-day expenses - certainly has made my life easier (especially now that there are services to help protect identity).

The problem (in my view) is that no matter which physical form the money takes, our money is fiat money.  The government can print and print, or mint and mint, and it is not connected to any backing whatsoever!  And as more dollars are created they are worth less - hence, we are at a point where the penny is valued less than the materials to make it as noted above.

For reasons both good and bad, precious metals hold real value.  In the end paper money is just paper with something printed on it.  A promissory note from the government.  But it is easier to carry around than physical metals and certainly that is why paper money was invented, as the coins just got too difficult to manage.

I would argue that if we went back on the gold standard, and possibly re-thought our coinage strategy, the US would be in stronger shape economically and we wouldn't have to deal with pennies!!!

"there is all the difference in the world between treating people equally and attempting to make them equal" FA Hayek

by gretschboy on Aug 17, 2007 9:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the man purse
the antidote to the heavy coin blues is the man purse.  i wish i could find one that wasn't ridiculous.  perhaps with dollar coins, the demand for a nice man purse would spike and viable options would enter the market.  does canada have them?

by tycobb420 on Aug 20, 2007 10:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"Purse?"
I'm Canadian, as is obvious from my name, and I carry my coins in a "pouch," not a purse, though that doesn't stop salesladies from telling me that thay "love my purse."

Anyway, all of this talk about having too many dollar coins is bizarre. There are simply too many occasions throughout a day to spend a dollar or two or three for too many dollar coins to accumulate on your person. I haven't had as many as 10 dollar coins at one time in the last five years.  When my change pouch gets fat, it is because of all the useless pennies, nickels, dimes, and quarters, and you have those in America too.

by CanuckDodger on Aug 22, 2007 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pouch
Here-here!  I spend time in Australia and Canada, where they have both one and two dollar coins, and they ain't the problem.  It's nickels and dimes that kill you.

But seriously, you own and wear a purse, not a pouch.  As a gender, we just need to break through that barrier.

by tycobb420 on Aug 22, 2007 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually you could get rid of nickels too...
...back in the day, a penny bought some gum from the machine.  What is it now, a dime or a quarter?

The nice thing about making the dime the lowest level of currency is that we move to one decimal.

by Mike Green on Aug 21, 2007 12:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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