Cory Rasmus

by SenorGato88 on Jul 31, 2007 8:15 PM EDT Comment 24 comments

One of my favorite arms from last years draft has pitched only 7 innings this year.

WTF is wrong with him?

It's not like he blew anyway with his performance last year, but considering family name, draft position (1st sandwich), and the franchise (Braves) who drafted him...I'm shocked he's not talked about more often.

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whoknows

He could probably pitch 30 innings this year and be in the Braves top 10.

by Bravesin07 on Jul 31, 2007 8:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Oh come on...

I think I prefer you as the optimist who would come into this thread that he's going to be a healthier version of Ben Sheets.

by SenorGato88 on Jul 31, 2007 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

almost took the words out of my head.....

but instead thought he was going to say that rasmus would be J. Smoltz lite

by Darce on Jul 31, 2007 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just jump

off that bridge and get it over with. Seriously, it's not that bad - JS knows how to build and manage a farm system. You keep acting like he just removed the entire franchise from life support when it's not even close to the truth.

by slurve on Jul 31, 2007 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Seriously. It's like he thought that the Rangers would gladly trade their All Star Gold Glove first baseman - a first baseman who was under contract for another season after this one - for a couple of scrubby prospects.

There's basically no way for the Braves to lose that trade unless Teixeira blows out his knee or something similarly uncontrollable. Even if all those guys became usable major leaguers, it's just a matter of trading at a premium for present value. This is not unreasonable, in fact it should be expected.

by mrkupe on Jul 31, 2007 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well there is a way to lose this trade

If we lose Tex in two years and have to have Thorman on 1st in 2009 or even worse Franco when he is playing his 50th B-Day in a Braves uniform, because KK is looking like a Thorman clone so far in AA. If Salty and Andrus pan out as All Stars and Harrison becomes a solid pitcher this is an awful trade.

by Bravesin07 on Jul 31, 2007 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Question

Why do you think every player the Braves trade will "pan out", yet think that a single player on their roster can't improve too? Or that one of their remaining prospects "pan out"? Or even that JS will find someone else in the next 2 years? Some Braves fan you are ... Mahalo

Matt

I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.

by WayneCampbell05 on Jul 31, 2007 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I didn't say they will pan out

I was just saying that if 2 of them do it's a bad trade for 1.3 years for a player who wants 180 million likely.

by Bravesin07 on Jul 31, 2007 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Nobody's telling the Braves they HAVE to resign him. I doubt he's very interested in talking extension at all in any case . . .he wants to play the market. If they don't, then they've still enjoyed 1+ years of excellent performance. The couple of draft picks they'll net out of it are a little bit of gravy there.

I just have no clue how you could think that a deal that involves absolutely nothing of proven major league value (and only one player remotely close to a regular position on a major league club, for that matter) for a currently All Star caliber player could possibly be construed as a "bad deal". The odds that the Braves just robbed the Rangers blind are much greater than the reverse.

by mrkupe on Jul 31, 2007 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

you know

there's no rule that says you have to argue with every single thing this guy posts. in this particular case, he's right and you're wrong. he clearly said "if".

the previous poster said there was no way for the braves to lose the trade except for teixeira blowing out his knee or something. bravesin responded that if the braves wind up getting 8 playing months of teixeira - for the sake of argument, let's go a step further and call them somewhat disappointing, mediocre months that resemble more than anything his road stats from texas - while the rangers go on to get six star-caliber years from salty, andrus and feliz, then the braves will lose the trade. and you know what, he's right.

by wily mo on Aug 1, 2007 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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I don't know why you felt the need to single me out, but here are a couple of statistics for you Wily Mo.

Comments by Bravesin07 since July 1 : 638
Comments by Me : 89

Kindly explain to me how that constitutes having "to argue with every single thing this guy posts"? I didn't feel the need to re-read every post but I think at least 1/2 those posts were replies to others as well.

Do you dispute Bravesin glass empty feelings towards the Braves' farm system? Not only is the glass half empty, it's bone dry and the glass has been shattered into a billion tiny little pieces ... on the surface of the sun. (Thus no water)

BELIEVE ME, I could post reactionary stuff hundreds more times than I have but I'm able to censor myself unlike Bravesin. I've also dialed down the rhetoric significantly or haven't you noticed? I could have been much more sarcastic as I have been in the past. You just think that I reply to his every because because it's impossible not to. He's omnipresent. You can't swing a dead cat in here without hitting a half dozen of his posts in any one topic. He reached a crescendo in the days leading up to the trade deadline where I began to throw up a little in my mouth every time I saw one of his posts.

Getting back on topic, that's alot of IFs and I very much doubt that all of them will come to fruition. BTW, please re-read what I posted. Where did I say he was right or wrong? I just asked him some very basic questions trying to figure out why he feels that way about his team. Granted the last sentence was a cheap shot, but on a scale of 1 to 10, it's barely a 2.

So how can I be wrong if I never said he was either? Mahalo

Matt

I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.

by WayneCampbell05 on Aug 2, 2007 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

well

i didn't mean to suggest that you personally berate every single post of his - but, by and large, someone does. i was just trying to say there's no reason to yell at him for things that he didn't do.

i don't think "everybody's opinions are equally valid" and he does annoy me. but if you're going to argue with him you should try to be either correct or entertaining, preferably both.

re-reading your post in the flow of the thread, it's a little bit more tangential and less directly challenging that it sounded when i originally read it, so ok. but still, i think the point he was trying to make - that there are a lot of ways for the braves to lose the teixeira trade other than teixeira being decapitated in an offseason train accident - is correct, and so there was no real need to use that post to argue with him, about that or whatever other general arguments you might be looking to have with him.

i don't really know or care what his attitude towards the braves is, because i try to read his posts as little as possible, but in this particular one - you say "that's a lot of ifs and i doubt all of them will come to fruition" - fine, but it was a hypothetical discussion. mrkupe (i think that's who it was) made a very debatable statement about how the braves couldn't possibly lose the trade.

by wily mo on Aug 2, 2007 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

so

to elaborate a little - basically, the problem i have with your post is this.

what are we trying to accomplish by talking to, or arguing with, bravesin07? are we trying to destroy him, drive him off the site? or are we trying (against all odds, apparently) to help him learn more useful posting habits? i would argue it's more the latter.

and if that's the case, we should be giving him accurate feedback. this one post of his was quite reasonable. viewed in a vacuum, not knowing anything about the poster's history, you wouldn't give it a second thought. yet you choose to argue with it anyway. if people shout at him no matter what he posts, he'll never learn the difference between a good post and a bad post. the only way he's going to do that is if you tell him what he's doing wrong. attack the content-free "hey jay bruce hit a home run, therefore he is hank aaron" type posts, but when he actually uses logic successfully, let him alone.

by wily mo on Aug 2, 2007 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bravesin

Would you agree that it's unlikely for someone to change unless they want to? It seems to me that Bravesin doesn't want to change. Otherwise, he'd heed the advice that others like you have given him. I know he doesn't care what I say to him. Just look at the fact that he never replied to any of my questions. He's moved on to his next 83 thoughts since then.

I'm not, you're not, noone is going to change Bravesin, unless he wants to. Just ask any of my ex g/fs, it's hard to get a guy to change his ways. ;) It is true that he has learned to use the Reply To button about 80% of the time and he does know there are stat splits sites out there now too. I guess that's something.

I could lie and say that I was using the Socratic method of teaching by asking him various questions. :) But seriously, I don't think anything you or me or anyone else will have the slightest effect on Bravesin. He's been given ample time and opportunity to adjust but hasn't shown any willingness to adapt. Mahalo

Matt

I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.

by WayneCampbell05 on Aug 2, 2007 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

well it depends.

i kind of have a feeling he's on the young side. if he's 34 on the other hand it's probably hopeless.

by wily mo on Aug 6, 2007 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Uh huh. If Thorman sucks, the Braves should know long before 2009 . . .hell, he isn't even very good right now, so that answers that question.

You're talking about the very best case scenarios for those guys. Taken individually, it's not especially likely that each will come to pass.

I love Salty's bat, but there's no ignoring that he's a big kid whose doesn't seem to be particularly good at staying in condition. I don't think particularly highly of his defense behind the plate either, rating it as perhaps average or slightly below at the moment. I'm pretty confident he'll hit enough to play 1B, but asking him to be an All Star there might be a little much.

It's not exactly a good bet that Andrus will hit enough to even be a major leaguer, let alone an All Star caliber major leaguer. He's posting a rather empty .245 BA right now, and he doesn't profile as a guy who will develop the power to continue to draw walks against higher levels of competition.

I've already said this about Harrison, but I think rather little of him as a prospect. He's a tall lefty with okay stuff in the scouting sense but doesn't limit hits, doesn't strike out many guys, and doesn't exhibit plus control. If he's very lucky he'll make his living as a traveling swingman.

This all being said, even if Harrison WERE a "solid" pitcher and the other two players became All Stars, it'd still be a perfectly acceptable deal by the Braves. They're not trying to win the International League here, you know.

by mrkupe on Jul 31, 2007 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

what?

How does Kaaihue look like a Thorman clone?

Kaaihue, 22: .298/.410/.583
Thorman, 23: .305/.360/.506

Even when Thorman was a year older and repeating AA, he posted inferior stats.

Come from where you hide, So I may unchain my tempest, None will stop my tide, And you will tremble at my unrest.

by fyug on Aug 1, 2007 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

well right now so far in AA he is

0-14 10 K's.

by Bravesin07 on Aug 1, 2007 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

eh

I posted the wrong stats above, it should have read:

Kaaihue, 22: .298/.410/.583
Thorman, 22: .299/.358/.461

In any case, the point stands, at the same point in Thorman's career, he was significantly inferior to Kaiihue.

Thorman didn't start out so hot in AA anyway. I wouldn't judge Kaiihue based off of 14 at-bats.

Come from where you hide, So I may unchain my tempest, None will stop my tide, And you will tremble at my unrest.

by fyug on Aug 1, 2007 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You and everyone else may feel...

uncomfortable judging a guy on 14 ABs...to Bravesin07 it's second nature.

by SenorGato88 on Aug 1, 2007 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i wondered this

had to google pretty hard, but it turns out he had shoulder surgery. it was termed a 'tightening', and he's supposed to be back for next year. still, shoulder surgery is, like, never a good thing.

by wily mo on Jul 31, 2007 8:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hope it works out for him....

he's getting the same thing down as I will. Thats pretty cool in a crappy, fucked up way.

by SenorGato88 on Jul 31, 2007 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

it was weird, nobody talked about it when it happened. i guess he's not far enough up the food chain to rate a rotoworld mention yet, but you'd think as a member of the famous Flying Rasmus Brothers he'd get more press when he goes under the knife. i follow the minors so closely it depresses me a little bit and i never heard peep one about it.

by wily mo on Jul 31, 2007 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs