As-Cab---is he the future Omar?
The situations are (while not completely) similar. We got both Omar and AsCab from the Mariners for next to nothing. Both players were known for their extremely talented defense and glove work but both prospects had questions about whether or not they could hit consistantly at the ML level. We know what Omarriffic did and it looks like AsCab has really turned a corner this year. At just 21 years of age AsCab is really hitting the ball well at AA and is showing ecouraging signs
His power numbers are way up above his minor league average, 7 HRs, 20 doubles, and. 482 Slg. His OPS is very good at 880, again well above his career marks. And probably most encouraging and significant is his 37/34 BB/KK ratio. I really want to see this kid in Cleveland in the near future but realize at 21 he's likely a year, probably two, away.
My question is two fold. Is this maturation and increased production for real? And two, what grade would he get now? He was a C+ to start the year. Loved to hear your thoughts!
Let's make it an Indian summer!
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my thoughts
You know what? If a guy doesn't have a nickname use their name. It works. :)))
C'mon
by cursedcleveland on Jul 10, 2007 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
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We'll have to see how his bat holds up against better competition, and I suspect he'll end up moving to 2B with Peralta in Cleveland for the foreseeable future, but I don't think there's a better middle infield prospect in the minors.
Not sure I agree with the last statement...
Is Crab-Ass' speed for real? He's 21 of 28 so far this year, but only attempted 21 times all of last year. I tend to be a bit skeptical when a prospect's stolen bases really jump like they have this year. How does his speed and base-running grade out? Are they good enough to steal 15 - 20 bases in the majors?
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I think Cabrera will be a better hitter for average, hitting in the area of .275-.295, with Brignac around .260-.280 generally speaking. Brignac has a clear edge in power, should hit for above average pop for a shortstop. Cabrera has better plate discipline, although Brignac should be respectable there. Cabrera's defense (GG caliber) blows Brignac's (acceptable but not more than that) out of the water.
I think reasonable projections for both players would be along the lines of .290/.360/.420 for Cabrera, .270/.340/.450 for Brignac . . .I think most would take Cabrera's higher OBP, but it's close to a push. When you add in Cabrera's defensive value, though, he gets the edge. It's not a HUGE edge, mind you, but it's a pretty clearly defined difference for me.
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12-15 a year doesn't seem like a stretch to me.
Cabrera's speed/bat
I agree with your assessment of Cabrera!
I agree with your analysis of Cabrera, and I agree with you that I think he could steal anywhere from 10-20 SBs a year, as I certainly think Cabrera has shown enough baserunning ability in the Minors to do that, at least.
I too also see him as a top-of-the-order, #2 guy; Cabrera has been batting in the #2 hole regularly (sound similar to Omar? :-) I could definitely see him plugging into that #2 hole very nicely one day for the Indians.
One thing I disagree with you though is on where Cabrera will likely play; I still think he'll more likely be the Indians' future SS than 2B for 2 main reasons:
- If Peralta remains, I can see why you'd think that he would remain at SS, being that he would be the veteran. However, Peralta did play some 3B in the Minor Leagues, and his bat certainly would play at the position. Meanwhile, Cabrera's maximum value would be as a SS, and his defense would be a decent to good upgrade over Peralta's. Combine that with the fact that there is more question over whether Marte will become an established regular at 3B, and I could certainly see Jhonny shifting over to 3B to accommodate Cabrera.
- It's possible Jhonny could become trade bait, possibly for a young top-of-the-rotation type starter or maybe a young OF power bat within the next few years; obviously, if Peralta is traded away, Cabrera will likely become the successor to Peralta at SS (and that's probably the only way the Indians would consider trading Peralta - knowing that Cabrera was ready to take over at SS, similarly to how they knew Peralta was ready to take over at SS when they allowed Vizquel to leave as a FA.)
Take care and have a great day!
Cabrera
An analysis of Cabrera vs. other AL SSs like
Hello sdtribefan and everyone,
APV of LetsGoTribe put together this interesting analysis of Cabrera's progression through the Minors as compared to Miguel Tejada, Omar Vizquel, Jhonny Peralta, and John McDonald. You can see it here.
sdtribefan - I'm not saying that Peralta couldn't handle 2B nor couldn't become the Indians' future 2B, but as was mentioned in that link above, Peralta's arm would be more valuable at 3B than at 2B, and Peralta has 3B experience in the Minors, but not 2B experience. In addition, as jakesinger777 mentioned, Peralta's ability to play 2B may not be as easily translatable as we might think just because he plays a decent SS.
As you can also see from that thread, we too thought of the Peralta in RF idea; that's an intriguing thought, though I don't know if Jhonny would have the range to play RF, since some have questioned his range at SS. It's certainly an idea that could merit consideration though if guys like Francisco, Gutierrez, Barton, Brown, Snyder, any FA or trade acquistions, etc. can't handle RF in the next few years for whatever reason (offensively or defensively.)
Just my 2 cents. :-)
Take care and have a great day!
Cabrera forecast
O-Cab
by APV @ Minor League Ball on Jul 12, 2007 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
APV now has, and did another nice job with it -
Take care and have a great day!
B- now B if he sustains it all year
His BABIP is a little high and just eye-balled the LD% but it looked average so he might be getting a little lucky. He is definitely impressing so far though. I answered the 2nd question, the answer to the first IMO is that most of it is maturation and "real" with a little playing over the head
Looked at it yesterday
by Kanst42 on Jul 10, 2007 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
must not have looked at it right
If what you say is true, then Asdrubal Cabrera is dead to me
Not sure if im calculating it right
Groundballs:120
Line Drive: 22
Fly Ball: 88
Popup's: 6
B (maybe bunts?): 3
U (no clue what that stands for): 3
So I added those up which equals 242, if you divide 22 by 242 you get a line drive percentage of 9.09%
I dont know if that 242 is right though, it says he has 266 AB, and 31 K's so I would assume he had put 235 balls in play?
I dont know what I am calculating wrong, but either way his line drive rate is low
by Kanst42 on Jul 11, 2007 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for all the comments
by cursedcleveland on Jul 10, 2007 1:21 AM EDT reply actions

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