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Interview with Poppa Lincecum

http://www.insidebayarea.com/sports/ci_5984879

I found this to be rather frightening, to tell you the truth.  It is as though the only reason he had kids was to turn them into pitching machines.  I have no idea what kind of person Tim is, but this scares me that the kid is gonna mentally breakdown, ala Todd Marinovich.                                                                                  

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Thanks for the link...
...that is a bit scary, and an interesting data point if he does wind up having troubles. (I guess daddy was too busy working on the mechanics of that windup to notice the poor kid needed braces...)

Anyhow, as a Giants fan, I hope he keeps it togeter for a long, long, long time.

GO GIANTS!

by Will Play Roto for Food on May 25, 2007 4:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

not scary
Well, the writer framed the story as his Chris building a machine son. That's a scary way to look at it, but the father didn't bring it up.

That said, his boastfulness was a turn off ("Lincecum-itis"? Please...). But hey, I don't blame him for being proud especially since he's probably heard hundreds of people talk about how small his son is.

by FI on May 25, 2007 4:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I disagree, it is scary
"I developed a set of mechanics that work from foot to fingertips using all hinges in sequence," he said. "Then I had kids."
That is scary.

Also the part about seeing Tim in the background of the video of his 6 year old brother pitching.  I am of the opinion you don't need to videotape a 6 year old to critique his mechanics.   I realize that is NOT mentioned (the review of his mechanics), but why else do you tape a 6 year old?  I am pretty sure it wasn't of a game, if Timmy can be seen emulating his brother in the background.  

I think Timmy has been trained his whole life to be a pitcher by his father.  Sometimes it works, like with Tiger.  Sometimes it doesn't, and you get Marinovich.  But I find it more troubling than not.

by drwmsu1 on May 25, 2007 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What?
Please...this story isn't "scary," it isn't "frightening," "troubling" or anything of the sort. It's a story about a dad teaching his son how to play ball. Big deal. Obviously he did a good job, and he's proud of his son.

drwmsu1 - assuming he was videotaping his son to critique his mechanics is insane. Asking "why else do you tape a 6 year old?"

Geez...I don't know...maybe because HE'S HIS SON! Parents like to videotape their kids. I think you guys are all reading between the lines too much.

by ConorGlassey on May 25, 2007 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ding ding ding
Winner.

Stop overreacting people.

Rays in '08.... Free Andy Sonnanstine.

by youALREADYknow on May 25, 2007 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is scary, but
I don't think it's a problem, necessarily.  Obviously, it's worked, he's turned his son into a fabulous pitcher.  I don't think this means Lincecum is going to have a mental breakdown from the abuse his dad put him through or anything like that.

That said, it's still scary that he basically lives vicariously through his son, the major league pitcher.  And he's the only person on earth that loves "Timmy" more than SharksRog, which is scary enough by itself...

by ajohnst1 on May 26, 2007 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's no scarier than a lot of guys, i bet.
i'm sure plenty of major league players, even the majority, have been trained and pushed by their dads from a young age to a greater or lesser extent.  i read an article about doug mientkiewicz's dad/childhood once that sounded a lot less fun than anything in this article.  the main difference is old man lincecum came up with a whole system of his own instead of just making the kid throw curves until his arm fell off.  

by wily mo on May 26, 2007 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lincecum-itis
The "Lincecum-itis" thing was a creation of Giants TV announcer Mike Krukow.  When future Hall of Famer Craig Biggio struck out three straight times the first time he faced Tim Lincecum, Krukow jokingly stated that the next time the Astros faced the Giants and Tim, Craig might develop a case of "Lincecum-itis."

Five days later featured another Lincecum-Roy Oswalt matchup -- and sure enough, Biggio was out of the lineup.

So if you want to blame someone for the Lincecum-itis thing, it shouldn't be Chris Lincecum.  You might direct your blame at Mike Krukow -- or even the future Hall of Famer himself (and, no, I don't mean Tim).

by sharksrog on May 27, 2007 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Er
There's nothing scary there at all. He was a pitcher, got hurt, taught his son to pitch. It's not like he said "Every morning Tim and I would work out for 2 hours before he went to school, and then again after, starting when he was 8" -- that's the sort of thing I expected from the reaction.

by ian on May 25, 2007 10:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What it tells me is...
SharksRog is Chris Lincecum. ;)

by knightgalt on May 25, 2007 11:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You're not the first
The same thing was stated in an article at www.baseballthinkfactory.org on this same Andrew Baggarley feature article in the Oakland Tribune.

If you wish to see that Chris and I aren't the same person -- although we did meet the day of Tim's major league debut, and I found Chris to be a fascinating guy -- you might want to check out that website.

I am flattered to be confused with Chris -- but I'm not he.

And, yeah, I got a kick out of your joking comment to that regard.  I like the humor.  Hopefully Chris feels the same way, although if I were he, I'm not so sure I would want to be confused with me.  :)

by sharksrog on May 27, 2007 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sick
There's an "i" in Chris and an "i" in Lincecum.  Go figure.  

by Con on May 26, 2007 1:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Also an "O"
There is also an "o" in pro, and one in con.  Is your point pro or con?

Oh, yeah.  There is also BOTH an "i" and an "o" in point.  :)

by sharksrog on May 27, 2007 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lincecum has a father?
I thought that he was a product of the midichlorians?

by samjjones on May 26, 2007 11:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This diary would be not have been done...
if the poster ever heard Lincecum interviewed on the radio.  Check KNBR.com for an interview or three somewhere, that's the website for the Giants flagship radio station.

Lincecum comes across very well in interviews.  He's not baseball obsessed, as one would think if he was brought up in a scary way.  Seems like an ordinary guy who know he's fortunate to be where he is, but has worked hard to get where he has gotten.  He apparently had a killer Gollum (from the Lord of the Rings trilogy) impression that he used to do but probably got tired of doing as he demurred when asked to do it.  He likes to do flips in the field, like Ozzie Smith used to do.  

He has good manners, soft-spoken and modest, and yet very confident about his abilities and clearly carries a chip on his shoulder about all the questions on his height.  I would too if that got thrown in my face all the time.  He's a bit quirky, but in a nice endearing way, kind of geeky.

He clearly feels he belongs and is bright and quick thinking, as he showed when he quickly quipped, when Steve Kline (reliever) came over and gave Lincecum a bear hug while Lincecum was being interviewed after the game - while Kline was buck naked:  Lincecum pushed Kline off and quipped something to the effect, "Get off me and next time you do that, take off your sweater."  Apparently Kline is a very hairy man all over.  But that's pretty good for someone new to all this attention and new to the team.  I know I would not have been so at ease and quick witted to do that when I was 22 years old.  I suspect most aren't.

His father Chris probably shouldn't have done the Lincecum-itis thing - Krukow did start that and continued to talk about it for a number of days on the radio, both post game and on his regular morning how - as I would think Biggio and his teammates didn't appreciate that much.  But as a proud papa, that's pretty mild.  

He does not live vicariously through his son.  His son is not his whole world, he still works at Boeing and intends to continue doing that (38 years of parts inventory; if that isn't a reason to quit, I don't know what is), while fitting his son into his off-hours.  A scary-type dad would quit his job and obsess over his son 24x7 and declare that his son is going to win the Cy Young and be a Hall of Famer.

Re-read that article.  Tim played on his high school golf team.  A scary-type dad would have had his son focused only on baseball 24x7.  His brother broke his arm playing football.  Would any baseball obsessed dad allow his son to play such a dangerous sport like football?  As I noted, Tim used to do a killer Gollum impression.  Would a scary-type dad allow his son to view useless stuff like the Lord of the Rings trilogy and take away his son's focus and time away from baseball and pitching?  And flips would be totally verboten, too dangerous a move to do, he has to protect his body.  

Also, as good as Tim was, did you see his dad advertising and marketing his son like Tiger Wood's dad showing off his 5 year old son on the Mike Douglas show (old day-time national interview show, the Regis/Oprah of his days; he once had John Lennon and Yoko co-host his show one week).  Tiger was prepared to be a national presence from a young age.  

Tim sounds like a regular person - though a confident person - but not over the top boastful confident where he think he can beat anyone, but quietly confident that he can do the job if given the chance and not that he's going to be the greatest pitcher ever, he's been pretty humble given all that he has done so far.  

He just wanted to be a major leaguer and he thought he had enough talent to deserve to be up here, but will leave that decision to management.  In all the early season interviews, it is clear that he's not chopping on the bit, he will make the majors when the time is right.  If he had a scary-type dad, he would not have been so zen about making the majors.

A scary-type dad would have been in the media last September demanding that his son be brought up and particuarly this spring, after his son continued to mow down batters in AAA effortlessly, there was not one word in the general Giants media where Chris Lincecum demanded that Tim be in the starting rotation, what are they doing wasting his arm down there, he would be golden in the majors, is Sabean crazy, why isn't his son starting, I don't care who gets pushed out, he should be starting in the majors right now!!!

Of course Chris should feel proud.  He was a nobody pitcher who never made the minors but he analyzed other pitchers to create a pitching motion that he thought was good from a variety of benefits and his son has learned his lessons well and is doing great in the major leagues.  Wouldn't you be proud of that?  

But he's not like Mike Marshall, putting down every one else's methods and calling anyone else stupid, he just says that he took some things from major leaguers and applied it to his son and this is the result.  He's not saying everyone should do it, he's just proud of his son's accomplishments and his son's accomplishments is a validation for his theories and ideas.  But he's not out to make himself like he's a guru, he's just a dad who had some ideas on how to be a good baseball pitcher and applied them to his son.  I tried to show my son my theories on hitting that helped me but he never took to the lessons - Chris's son did.

I wonder why he's being criticized in this way.  I've never heard this label placed on Bobby Bonds.  He watched and analyzed his son's swing.  He probably helped shape and guide his son's batting stance, approach, and swing.  He attended all his games to watch him.  He gave advice to Barry all his life on what he's doing right or wrong.  How is that any different, other than Chris sounds like a regular guy like any of us and Bobby was one of the great players in baseball?

Lastly, it is not that unusual that a family is taping their precious 6 year old son playing with his dad.  I have a million pictures and videos of my son doing a variety of things, my wife just loves to record everything.  Thank goodness for digital cameras, else we would run out of space at home for all the photos.  And if you had developed what you thought was a good way to throw the ball, wouldn't you analyze videos to see how your boy is doing?  You cannot always catch everything in the moment.

Let's put it this way.  Let's say you have a method you think will preserve a pitcher's arm and not wreck it.  After all, it has worked fine for you and you can still throw nearly 90 MPH while middle-aged.  Would you make sure your son is throwing correctly or would you let him wreck his arm?  Wouldn't you try to attend all your son's games? And if you are there anyway, wouldn't you provide some critique on how he did?  He was just being a father.

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on May 29, 2007 2:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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