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Worst GM in baseball?

Looking for the board's thoughts on who is the worst GM in baseball ... yes MLB talent matters, clearly minor league talent matters, Ws, Ls, available resources ... so who is at the bottom?

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I'm not going to vote and skew the boards thoughts, but there is one in particular I find almost repulsive in his lack of vision/acumen. So who is it?

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Tim Purpura
I don't know if he is actually the worst, but he is probably coming off of the worst year of any GM. Huff for Talbot and Zobrist, Jennings for Hirsh, Buchholz, Taveras, Signed Woody Williams to a 2 year deal, has refused to deal Lidge the last 2 years. Just a bunch of crap that is mostly his fault.
"You hear a lot of things... because there are a lot of people talking." (Shamus original)

by Shamus on Apr 26, 2007 12:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hmmmm
I guess those are all valid points, but Pupura must have been doing something right since the Astros have been competitive.

Bavasi has to the guy, even though he is not 100% in charge and needs Japan to sign off on things.

Jim Bowden strikes me as incompetent.  He got lucky on some trades, but he doesn't make enough trades since he always asks for too much.

by elricsi on Apr 26, 2007 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No "Anti-Love" for Purpura
Come on. He basically walked into a stacked situation. The Astros had one of the best pitching staffs(SP and RP 04-06) over a 3 year period if not THE best in the league. The first year he started the Stros had 5 legit all-stars(and not like a Yankee or Boston fan-vote). The year that he started and the Astros went to the World Series he did absolutely nothing. Remember, he didn't sign any players that year and made no transactions for like his first 10 months as a GM. I was a fan of his then.

Since then all of his moves have sucked. The Hirsh trade was the worst move in the last few years. At least the Rangers got a RP for Gonza and Young. The Stros got a hurt pitcher for a guy that will likely finish in the top 3 of ROY. And remember he didn't even sign Jennings in the trade so he will likely walk out or stay with a 50+ million contract.

And the Lidge situation is stupid. His replacement value over Wheeler is negative, but he refused to deal him when he had value.

There is no track record for Purpura but the marks that he is starting to make are as bad as any GMs beginning.

"You hear a lot of things... because there are a lot of people talking." (Shamus original)

by Shamus on Apr 26, 2007 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bavasi
he's my pick . . .

by kinbote on Apr 26, 2007 12:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bavasi
It's not just his horrible player evaluation, his misguided free agent signings, or his indefensible trades.  Bavasi has a team that needs desperately to rebuild, and he refuses to do it.  The M's try to patch up holes with expensive veterans every year, and every year finish last in the AL West.

As a Mariners fan, watching Bavasi deal Chris Snelling, Rafael Soriano, Shin-Soo Choo, and Asdrubal Cabrera in the last year for Jose Vidro, Horacio Ramirez, Ben Broussard, and Eduardo Perez has been like watching a guy shove a red-hot knitting needle into his eye--it hurts to watch, I have no idea why he'd do it, and it leaves me feeling sick to my stomach.  All the players traded have potential in the future, while the ones the M's got in return will never be part of the next winning team in Seattle.  

Bavasi has no vision, no common sense, and no aptitude for his job.  Can there be a worse GM?

by WTP on Apr 26, 2007 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh...
and don't get me started on the philosophy behind rushing their best prospects though the minors before they can succeed at a level.

by WTP on Apr 26, 2007 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely
Bavasi, one of the worst in recent memory

by Pitt craws on Apr 26, 2007 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This one is EASY
Bavasi, by a LONG shot

by montenegro on Apr 26, 2007 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2002 Angels
How much credit do you give Bavasi for the 2002 Angels even though he was gone by October and Bill Stoneman was running the show?

by sdbaseballfan on Apr 26, 2007 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bavasi's
last season as Angel general manager was 1999.

by Crows Landing on Apr 26, 2007 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bavasi's gotta be near the bottom
Crappy Trades:

Freddy for Reed/Olivo/Morse
Soriano for Ramirez
Snelling and Fruto for Vidro
Choo and Cabrera for Broussard/Perez
Winn for Torrealba/Foppert

Crappy Signings:

Beltre
Washburn
Batista
Everett
Spiezo
Aurelia

Also didn't fire Hargrove

by Fett42 on Apr 26, 2007 12:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bavasi
But don't forget in those Indians trades he also gave up Nottingham as well, who is at least projectable as well (2-1, 3.06 ERA, 11 Ks 10 BB in 17.2 IP at AA, age 22).  I have no clue how he kept his job this offseason.

by Fundamentals on Apr 26, 2007 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll put him under the bus too...
As a Mariner fan I'd have to agree that Bavasi ranks right up there with the worst.  I didn't see anyone mention Carlos Guillen for Ramon Santiago so I'll throw that one out there.  
Wren (Angelos), Thrift (Angelos), Beattie and Flanagan get a group nomination too.  Zero playoff appearances over the last decade finishing 4th each year.    

by Con on Apr 26, 2007 1:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow ...
Bavasi sure does get a lot of "love" here, but Jim Hendry would have been my runaway #1 ... the resources of the Cubs, wasting what was the top farm system 5 years ago, abuse of pitching, hiring Dusty Baker when he was ALL WRONG, blowing a useless $300 million this winter AND still being a losing club in '07 ... how does this guy still have a job?

Maybe I'm just wrong ...

Paul Householder, Gary Redus, Tommy Lawless, Duane Walker ... prospects rawk!

by design28 on Apr 26, 2007 1:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hendry
hendry belongs in the discussion, which brings up a relevant question: What's the only thing worse than signing juan pierre?

[answer: trading for juan pierre]

by kinbote on Apr 26, 2007 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+ 1
Bavasi is an idiot, but Hendry is an idiot with a deep pocket.

I honestly have no idea where the Cubs will be in 5 years, but it doesn't look good.

by SenorGato88 on Apr 26, 2007 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Deep pocket?
Isn't the Mariners' payroll over 100 million?

by aCone419 on Apr 26, 2007 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought I posted this already
But I'm not a big fan of Pat Gillick or Brian Sabean either - although I do think Bavasi and Hendry are probably the worst...
Gorkys Hernandez is my new favorite player (my tribute to VTTigers)

by Dfarth on Apr 26, 2007 2:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gillick
He's won everywhere he's been before Philly.
Rios is the next Juan Gonzales, thats right, I said it.

by KaoticKlown on Apr 26, 2007 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair...
Bavasi trashed the M's like a rock star's hotel room before he left.  

by WTP on Apr 26, 2007 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That should say...
GILLICK trashed the M's like a rock star's hotel room before he left.  

I've got Bavasi on the brain.

by WTP on Apr 26, 2007 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

worst gm
Randy Smith, even if he's no longer a GM, he still gets my vote just based on general principles.

by djshelto on Apr 26, 2007 2:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bavasi
Bavasi runs away with it easily.  Littlefield, Hendry and Krivsky are all up there as well, but Bavasi might be worse than the three of them combined.  Only Cam Bonifay and Chuck Lamar hold a candle in recent memory.  Bowden would have been in the conversation before last year as well, but I actually think he's done a pretty good job over the past year.
Will Eli be showering in Evian at last?

by Brickhaus on Apr 26, 2007 2:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Krivsky
I used to think he was terrible but he deserves a lot of credit for recent moves.  He's got something going in the farm system with Bruce and Bailey.  In addition, the Bronson Arroyo trades and even the Kyle Loshe trades look brilliant.  And, he grabbed Josh Hamilton.  Anyways, he's making a come-up.
Gorkys Hernandez is my new favorite player (my tribute to VTTigers)

by Dfarth on Apr 26, 2007 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bruce and Bailey?
Did Wayne draft these guys?  Wasn't Stubbs his first draftee?

by cooper7d7 on Apr 26, 2007 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh you're right
I thought he was GM when they drafted Bruce but Wikipedia shows he started in February 06.  I still don't think he is bad though.  He deserves some credit (not much) for not getting rid of any of the blue chip prospects and he was the Twins assistant GM from 1998-2005...I'm assuming he was a part of some of the good moves they made as well...
Gorkys Hernandez is my new favorite player (my tribute to VTTigers)

by Dfarth on Apr 26, 2007 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You
mean like wanting to play Juan Castro at SS?
1941 .406

by FrozenTed9 on Apr 26, 2007 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dan O'Brien
drafted them ,but I'd still like nominate him.  That dude was incompetent as they come.

by BoydsOfSummer on Apr 28, 2007 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

GMs and prospects
GMs, and especially bad GMs, don't really draft -- scouting directors do. Unless you're Baltimore, where the owner picks on his own sometimes.

by igreen01 on Apr 28, 2007 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even first rounders?
I have to imagine that such a high dollar/high profile decision as a first round pick will at least involve the GM.

by cooper7d7 on May 1, 2007 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brandon Phillips for a pizza ...
... wasn't a bad move either.

Why, Wayne, why did you give away Kearns, though?

Paul Householder, Gary Redus, Tommy Lawless, Duane Walker ... prospects rawk!

by design28 on Apr 26, 2007 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Steve Phillips...
As long as he has a job anywhere near Baseball he'll be the worst. I guess ESPN decided he was capable of torturing one fan base, so why not see what he can do to 30?

by MetfanBren on Apr 26, 2007 3:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In defense of Phillips....
He DID take a team to the playoffs two years in a row and the World Series one year.  After that, though, someone must have given him a backalley labotomy.

by Lunkwill Fook on Apr 26, 2007 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep..
After 2000 it became a Phillips Vs. Valentine war, which was bound to get ugly. I would say history has proven Valentine to be the better Baseball man, but it was firing him and leaving Phillips in place that did the most damage...

by MetfanBren on Apr 26, 2007 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Phillips
Steve Phillips isn't even the worst Mets GM of the decade - that honor belongs to Jim Duquette.
Will Eli be showering in Evian at last?

by Brickhaus on Apr 26, 2007 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amazing
He really does deserve that monicker and he was only GM for a year.  Granted, he's GM of the Orioles now but that's like being in charge of a little league team.

by Lunkwill Fook on Apr 26, 2007 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Phillips
I was waiting for someone to throw his name out there.  And if you didn't do it, I would have!
"Rule #76. No excuses, play like a champion!"

by andy 5 on Apr 26, 2007 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

someone mentioned sabean
He's freaking terrible. Of all the bad trades that people discuss (viczamb for kazmir; Chris young, adrian gonzalez for eaton, otska) they don't hold a candle to AJ Pierzinsky for Nathan, Bonser, Liriano. Those are two elite talents and one young and probably very good starter for a guy they had for 1 year who was terrible(and is overrated anyways). Even if Pierzinksy had his standard "good year" why trade away an elite bullpen arm when you need a closer and two prospect arms for a .300/.340 10 homer catcher? I mean come on.

Oh yeah, they have the worst offense in the league(yes worst than the nationals, pirates, Astros, Angels) AND they have Barry Bonds.

by Team Moneyball on Apr 26, 2007 3:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Winning is the great equalizer
They may be up a creek in the future, but the Giants have been in the playoff hunt every year, despite not having that many great players on either side of the ball, and having a lot of holes on both sides.  Somehow, he's gotten what looks like a bad situation to work, and he may get out of this latest jam yet, if Cain, Lincecum and Zito provide a triumverate as good as anyone in the league.
Will Eli be showering in Evian at last?

by Brickhaus on Apr 26, 2007 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair
Listen, I don't like Sabean very much either and the Lirano, Nathan, Bonser trade was bad in retrospect but let's be fair.

The Giants needed a catcher for the future and at the time AJ could be had.

At that time Nathan looked like he could be a decent bullpen arm but he couldn't find the plate with a map and a compass.

Bonser was a top prospect for a while but there was little certainty that he would become a good major leaguer.

Lirano, while a hard throwing lefty, was an oft-injured AA SP. He had an arm but he was not an elite prospect by any means. His injury concerns kept him off that list. We have since found out that those concerns were warranted.

I hate the trade in retrospect but hindsight is 20/20. Sabean's biggest blunder is giving away draft picks for old role players and refusing to develop minor league hitters.

by caintastic on Apr 26, 2007 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nathan
In 2003, his last year with the giants. Nathan had an 83/33 k/bb ratio over 79 IP. His opponents BA was .186.

If your team needed a closer bad, would you trade this guy? I wouldn't. Pierzynski had a good year the year before, for a catcher its above average. Prior to that he was nothing special. I wouldn't deal nathan for him straight up in 2003. I'm guessing he thought nathan wouldn't work in the pen because he wasn't a "proven" closer. But his skills were pretty damn elite and that oversight was huge.

Adding in Bonser who was a top prospect for them and Liriano, who was coming off health issues, but still had an electric arm was too much. Sure they both could have totally flamed out. Doesn't mean you should deal them just because. Sure hindsight this trade looks terrible, but at the time it still wasn't a good one.

They've won 75-76 games in the past two years. Problem is this team was considered geriatric in 2002, when they lost the world series. Since then, they've gotten older and worse. I don't really call the past 2-3 years of his signings to be inspired in anyway.

On top of that the farm system went to hell because he was signing guys that would cost him draft picks. His theory was that prospects are all risks and if they flame out you lose whatever money you paid them. This of course is possible, but lots of teams live off their farm systems and prospects and prospects, in the end, are way cheaper than some old veteran who produces at the league average. In addition, they have a pretty good payroll, a nice packed park and money. Rich teams that develop a farm system in theory should allow them to keep lower payrolls. Sabean ignored this idea completely. But I'll give him credit for changing his plan. But considering the rare 1st rounder they took turned out to be Matt Cain it would be difficult not to alter his approach.

About the farm system, when was the last time the system produced a bat? I'm not sure when Sabean came on board as GM, but some blame for the lackluster system should be put on his shoulders. Fortunately, Cain and Lincecum are definite pluses for his tenure.

by Team Moneyball on Apr 26, 2007 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank You
Joe Nathan was great in his last year for the Giants
Curtis Granderson fan

by jrose643 on Apr 26, 2007 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd put Sabean....
...among the best GMs in baseball, as he has been innovative enough to take a totally different approach than any other front office in baseball, and this strategy has been massively successful, since the Giants have been competitive almost every season Sabean's been at the helm.

You point out two things Sabean did badly: 1) his team RIGHT NOW is up sh*t's creek, and 2) he made one really horrendous trade.

Blaming him for the first point -- that the organization is royally screwed now -- seems extremely unfair, as this was the inevitable eventual result of creating a team so competitive for so long. It actually reminds me of his NFL counterpart -- the 49ers -- who had perhaps the best team of the late '80s and most of the '90s. In order to keep this great collection of talent together, the '9ers sacrificed their future by taking cap penalties on top of cap penalties, meaning, when the team's talent finally wore out, they were destined to be one of the league's worst for year's to come, with no flexibility to improve. Sabean similarly has delayed his team's decline into mediocrity, actually keeping them competitive year in and year out. Eventually, it caught up with him. But he (and everyone else) had to know this was coming, and it was a sacrifice almost anyone would have made in exchange for that period of success.

As for the one bad trade, Sabean had a philosophy: Pitching prospects are better traded before anyone realizes they're not prospects. The Giants made great success of this strategy in tens of trades, unloading useless minor leaguers for genuine big league talent year in and year out. One time, probability reared its ugly head and bit him in the @$$ about as badly as it could have: Liriano and Nathan got healthy, and Bonser wasn't lost to TINSTAAP. Of course, Liriano's hurt again, but that's not the point. The point is, the nature of the strategy will lead to lots of very good trades where you sacrifice nothing coupled with the very occasional disaster, when the prospects you didn't believe in end up panning out. Is that a great long-term strategy? Maybe not. But the Giants did pretty damn well with it, and it's not like "pitching depth" is their need right now (though I suppose the bullpen could use Nathan).

Anyway, what Sabean deserves a ton of credit for is properly identifying role players and other semi-castoffs at or past the peaks of their respective careers who can contribute a good season or two. The Giants have identified these players better than any other franchise in the game over the past ten years, and he deserves credit for taking that strategy. It's funny, because it's almost a "Moneyball" strategy of its own, since every other GM has tried to improve their teams through their own farm systems or through big-money free agents, but Sabean steered clear of these saturated markets and found his own niche to excell in.

by bleedjaxblue on Apr 26, 2007 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, but...
they haven't done anything.  sure, the giants have been 'competitive' for the last several years, but they haven't made the playoffs since 01.  in fact, it looks like Sabean has done something similar to what Bavasi has done.  he's traded away the future and patched up the team with veterans.  what Sabean has done is more excusable because he's had a window in which to try to win with bonds, but it seems like he just keeps surrounding bonds with older and older supporting players.

by amos on Apr 26, 2007 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not quite
actually, they made the playoffs in 2002 (world series) 2003 (lost to Malins).

by caintastic on Apr 26, 2007 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not since '01?
How exactly did they go the World Series in '02 and have the league's best record in '03 without going to the playoffs, one wonders. (they were also eliminated on the penultimate day of the season in '04, btw).

by Roger on Apr 26, 2007 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"haven't made the playoffs....
....since 2001"

Maybe you meant "haven't made the World Series since 2002".

Or else it was a typo, and you meant "haven't made the playoffs since 2003," when they won 100 games and took the NL West easily.

So, really, you're talking about three years of not making the playoffs, all of which they had a legitimate shot at the post-season going into September.

What more do you want than that?

Sure, they could have decided to clean house and start rebuilding sooner, but then people would have just complained sooner, and it's not clear they would have been in any better pulling a fire sale then. The team was stripped, and Sabean made the choice to keep attendances up rather than rebuild from the ground up (which he would have had to do).

Obviously, as a fan of younger talent, I hate the types of players he's pursued, but many have done pretty well for him, like Vizquel. And, besides that one trade, who has he given away? He's acquired tons of talent in deadline deals, and never sacrificed any of their future. Cain? Still there. Lincecum? There. Lowry? Sanchez? There, and there. Meanwhile, he got Jason Schmidt for Ryan Vogelsong and Armando Rios. You're not upset at him for giving away Jesse Foppert, Jerome Williams and David Aardsma, are you? So who are the other players for their "future" who they've traded away that you're thinking of?

by bleedjaxblue on Apr 26, 2007 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sabean
the one guy that comes to mind which Sabean unearthed was Schmidt. I forget exactly how he acquired him but I remember him buying him very low and he turned into an ace. That was a nice deal.

Since then though I dont know what to point to. His signings and his zito-deal hardly shows he knows how to exploit the market.

by Team Moneyball on Apr 26, 2007 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Schmidt
Acquired for Armando Rios and Ryan Vogelsong. You gotta give him Jeff Kent as well. But yeah, since the last day of the 2003 playoffs it's been pretty much one brutal personnel decision after another. That said, they're right back in the mix once again. We'll see how long it lasts.

by Roger on Apr 26, 2007 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

traded Ryan Vogelsong...
...(who was a total piece of crap as a prospect that got injured anyway) and Armando Rios (a 31-year-old "prospect," which is the Giants' specialty) for him.

My mom's a die-hard Pirates fan, meaning I actually follow them closely, and I can promise you that Schmidt was a supremely talented pitcher before he went to SF, and that I've never been so upset with another franchise for a trade in my life. It was a great trade, but it didn't take genius to know it was a ripoff at the time. It never made any sense.

As for the rest, the Zito signing is crap, but this is a totally different era, and I don't think that decision reflects his strategy over the rest of his tenure. It reflects TODAY'S strategy, which is to try to keep attendances from plummetting while the team falls apart (which is already acknowledged to be inevitable), given that the Giants have tons and tons and tons of money to spend.

Meanwhile, some of the talent Sabean has brought in include Robb Nen and Ellis Burks. Jeff Kent and J.T. Snow came over in his first season as a GM, though I don't know if they were his acquisitions or not. Some people he got cheap who did well include Omar Vizquel, Marquis Grissom, Scott Eyre, Livan Hernandez and David Bell. Not sexy names, for sure, but that's the whole point: Sabean knew how to pick up people who no one else was interested in who would add a lot to the team. And I'm positive my list isn't exhaustive of the names he brought over; these are just the ones I can remember off the top of my head.

by bleedjaxblue on Apr 26, 2007 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sabean is Terrible
Any success the Giants have had under Sabean has been despite rather than because of his efforts. I mean, how much do you have to do when you're spotted Barry Bonds? If you've got one of the greatest players of all time and any measure of money and you play in what, since realignment, has been a very weak division, there's very little you have to do to be a playoff team.

Sabean should be judged not only by what he's accomplished but by what he's made out of his situation - very little given the overall scenario.

Plus - This offseason was a joke. Resigning Pedro Feliz?! You simply can't make that move and be a good GM. Can anyone even imagine Billy Beane making that move?

I defend the Pedro for Delino trade.

by Nolan on Apr 26, 2007 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pedro Feliz
Say what you will about Feliz's bat, but he is still one of the smoothest defensive third basemen in baseball. And give Sabean credit for once again retooling the the Giants starting lineup this season, adding four starters if you count Aurilia and Klesko ... both of whom compliment the resigning of Feliz perfectly.

And consider this about Sabean ... How many other franchises with new ballparks have been as successful as the Giants over the past 10 years?  

by StickRat on Apr 26, 2007 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously?
  1. You're right, Aurilia and Klesko complement the Feliz signing perfectly - another two over-the-hill injury risks who are very, very bad defenders, can't run and, when healthy, would be lucky to OPS .750. Throw in Dave Roberts, Matt Morris and Mike Matheny and you've got quite a group.
  2. Feliz is so horrible that no amount of defense would make a difference. He's basically Rey Ordonez at third.
  3. "And consider this about Sabean ... How many other franchises with new ballparks have been as successful as the Giants over the past 10 years?"
I have no idea how to respond to this. Some have been good (D'backs) some have been bad (Pittsburgh) some have been neither particularly good nor particularly bad (Mariners, Indians). What's the point?
I defend the Pedro for Delino trade.

by Nolan on Apr 26, 2007 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously? No, I am never serious ...
I wear a court jester hat and funky boxer shorts and walk down the street singing like a loon. On an average day. Baseball to me is just something to ramble on nonsensically about every fifth day or so. Soooo ... that Barry Bonds is really something, isn't he?

by StickRat on Apr 27, 2007 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

3
I'll go with Bavasi and Hendry as well.  My vote goes to Jim Duquette as the worst assistant.  Trades Kazmir for Zambrano, goes to Baltimore and has a hand in moving Maine for Benson.  He netted two mediocre pitchers with arm problems, for two potential studs.

by nyr2k2 on Apr 26, 2007 5:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What about....
Jim Bowden? He left a bit of a mess in Cincinnati. Then he let Soriano walk with nothing to show. He has a reputation for being one of the hardest guys to deal with. Yes, he took his former organization to he cleaners last year(Majewski's injury icing on the cake-shows he a bit of a jerk too.) He may get the best in deals he makes, but his unwillingness to make some moves that would improve his team do not speak well IMO.

by bl on Apr 26, 2007 6:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jim Duquette
Scott Kazmir for Victor Zambrano...case closed

by mtk52983 on Apr 26, 2007 6:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought that was Phillips
Wasn't that deal made on Phillips watch?  Regardless, whichever one made it, they're on the short-list of candidates.  But I'd agree that Bavasi is the man (anti-man?).
"People think it must be fun to be a super genious, but they don't know how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world." - Calvin

by RVachon on Apr 26, 2007 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nevermind
It was indeed Jimmy boy.
"People think it must be fun to be a super genious, but they don't know how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world." - Calvin

by RVachon on Apr 26, 2007 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Littlefield
I cant beleive Dave Littlefield has not been brought up. He dealt Jason Schmidt and Aramis Ramirez for nothing. What did he get for Rios? Kris Benson for Ty Wiggington? The Pirates farm system is average at best, though to be honest, is probably in the bottom third of baseball. Aside from McCutchen, what other great prospect do the Bucs have, or have they developed?

I say Bavasi is worse, but Littlefield is right there. The common theme with both these idiots is that the owners/Presidents, - Howard Lincoln, and Bob Nutting (previously Kevin McClatchy) are not baseball people. They are dedicated to winning, but that winning has to be way under budget....
And before you try to defend Lincoln, ask yourself why the M's never added a player down the stretch when they had consistent winners?

by Robinson Checo on Apr 26, 2007 8:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sabean, Krivsky, Bavasi, Gillick...
"Damn Barry, don't that stuff go on furniture"

master observer

Sabean

"Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....OK"

master negotiator

Krivsky,

"them old farts like Martinez sure can hit...hmmm what's Vidro's number"

master talent evaluator

Bavasi

and last but not least

"with crap like Howard, Burrell, Utley, Myers, Abreau, Hamels...damn, can't see no light at the end of THIS tunnel..."

master rebuider

Gillick

.....

Its a 4 WAY TIE!

by dryice on Apr 27, 2007 12:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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