Your favorite past prospect that never panned out and why?
I was looking through my NL keeper leagues website tonight at my old rosters. Think I saw the name Brandon Larson for 3 seasons and I thought what in the hell did I ever see in that guy to think he could hit in the bigs? Guess I was just wondering who other people thought were can't miss prospects but the guy just never panned out.
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Ruben Rivera
Rivera was the one I really liked though. I was looking forward to seeing him...everybody was raving about this kid who could play CF like mays and hit 450 foot bombs and we watched him take BP and he hit, like, nothing...foul back, swing and miss, grounder. My buddy said "I have never seen a future star hit this bad in BP" In fact, we had never seen ANYBODY hit this bad in BP. I told him must be having a bad day or something because I had heard such good things about him. Soon I had to admit he was right. He was a legend though and, a hell of an athlete. Just not a hitter. Still playing, I believe.
by casejud on Apr 23, 2007 12:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that the guy...
Hilarious. That alone makes his career worthwhile in my book. I'm sure he went on to be a doctor or accountant or something once his baseball career fizzled.
by SmokeyJoeWood on Apr 23, 2007 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jimmy Gobble
by doublestix on Apr 23, 2007 1:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wil Ledezma
Could be worse, but still, below my original hopes for him.
by grozzy on Apr 23, 2007 1:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not done yet either
by jpahk on Apr 23, 2007 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben Petrick
He retired in May 2004 and later disclosed that he had been diagnosed with Parkinson's disease in 2000. He attempted to play through it and it ultimately was his downfall in a potential promising career. It clearly played a large role in destroying his career.
by bballfanlvnv on Apr 23, 2007 1:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dan
I know this sounds snobby but I was onto him long before (most) anyone else. I saw him in May or June in low A-ball, i know he had SOME buzz (as a sandwhich rounder) but he looked GREAT when I saw him. Low 90s fastball, nice slider, sharp command. Dominated hitters.
by nms on Apr 23, 2007 1:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
eh
If he can even comeback, and ive seen nothing to suggest that beyond rumors and wishful thinking from A's fanboys, the comeback is much more likely to consist of some journeyman junky lefty reliever innings than anything noteworthy
by nms on Apr 23, 2007 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
There is a possibility he comes back with his stuff.
by pedrophile on Apr 23, 2007 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doug DeVore and Ken Harvey are mine...
Oh yea: Kit Pellow!
by Rusnakjd on Apr 23, 2007 2:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
um
Im a Hoosier fan, so im rooting for him, but he was a 12th round pick and he was good (in a great hitters park) in AA at 23 but I never heard anyone think he was going to be anything special
by nms on Apr 23, 2007 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Though if it has to be my favorite...
by WTP on Apr 23, 2007 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
two pitchers
by jeck on Apr 23, 2007 2:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Way jumping the gun and others
Two guys that kill me are Jeff Austin and Chris George, probably Kyle Snyder, Colt Griffin, and Dee Brown among others. Wow that list jumped from two to 5 really fast.
by wildthang on Apr 23, 2007 3:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Alex Gordon...
by uga007 on Apr 23, 2007 3:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But seriously...
Same goes for Ryan Wagner, he looked like a once-in-a-generation type back in the day.
by uga007 on Apr 23, 2007 3:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hee Seop Choi
And then he got old and apparently forgot how to hit entirely.
..and Prince Charles started wearing all of Lady Di's clothes, I couldn't believe it! He took her best summer dress out of the closet and tried it on...
by delomir on Apr 23, 2007 3:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A few I liked:
Tim Redding - Still in the minors, but I am sure a lot of us saw the line from that 12 run, like 2 inning gem he pitched a few days ago.
Rene Reyes - Did well in the minors, but couldn't hit consistently in the majors. Went back and forth from the Rox to the SkySox, and then stopped hitting down there too. Not sure if he even still plays. Still have him on my reserve roster cause I don't want to pay him the money it will cost to release him.
Chris Mabeus - I drafted him as a sleeper back in 04 or 05 I think. He put in a great stint in AA and did well in AAA at Sacramento. Then the next season he seemed to stuggle. He has spent a little time in the majors now, a couple innings I think, but he looks to basically be done.
Ricardo Rodriguez - I traded for him back in 2003 and stuck by him for quite awhile. He would put together some great stretches with the Rangers as recent as 2005, but always got injured. Plus he walked way too many.
Craig Griffey - Yes, Ken's brother. I was big into baseball cards back in the early 90s and got a few of his. Him and his father and brother together, even a hologram set of each of them individually. Apparently Sr. was quoted as saying Craig was the more athletic of the brothers. I guess that shows that sometimes you need baseball players, not athletes.
And a year ago at this time, I would have mentioned Brandon Phillips and Josh Bard. I had given up on them and traded both as throw-ins in deals I made. Boy do I feel foolish now. Also, is it too early to mention Mark Prior?
Also Dan McGwire... oh wait, that was the Seahawks gaff, not the Mariners. Stupid SDSU QBs who are brothers of mashing first basemen in the major leagues!
by Boxkutter on Apr 23, 2007 5:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Forgot to mention...
I think I picked the wrong one.
by Boxkutter on Apr 23, 2007 5:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sam Horn
From what I remember he went crazy in his first rotation through the league, then everyone figured out that he couldn't hit a curveball and that's all she wrote.
by Guyute on Apr 23, 2007 6:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
signed balls
by murraygd13 on Apr 23, 2007 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben Grieve and Jesse Foppert
by spindle on Apr 23, 2007 8:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
grieve
by jpahk on Apr 23, 2007 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dallas McPherson
by bunner19 on Apr 23, 2007 8:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Josh Phelps
by slitheringslider on Apr 23, 2007 9:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dee Brown
by fiftydrinker on Apr 23, 2007 9:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BJ Garbe
Runners up: Adam Johnson; second overall pick, cup of coffee. Ryan Mills; seventh overall pick, never made it past AAA. David McCarty; third overall pick, no more than a bench player in the majors.
When you look at the performance of the Twins scouting department in the 90's (including Travis Lee and Jayson Veritech not signing), you see how far they have come. Most teams would have fired Mike Radcliff after all those first-round busts. Terry Ryan has been rewarded for his patience with Radcliff.
by cmathewson on Apr 23, 2007 9:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another Twins spect...
by Gudy2Shoes on Apr 23, 2007 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Billy Ashley
by doomeddodger on Apr 23, 2007 9:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
a couple come to mind...
Matt Anderson - lost to a freak injury tossing an octopus
Justin Thompson - this kid had the makings of a great pitcher, injuries derailed him
Jeff Robinson - ditto
by djshelto on Apr 23, 2007 10:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A Few
Roger Salkeld - much like Ryan Anderson, elite pitching prospect until injuries de-railed him. If he had panned out, the mid-90s Mariners would have been epic.
Just because someone else mentioned Craig Griffey in this thread, I´ll throw a little love to Shawn Buhner, Jay´s little brother. He signed my glove back when I was about 12.
by jhelfgott on Apr 23, 2007 10:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just started following prospects last year
by Galt on Apr 23, 2007 10:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
2 Off the top of my head
Derrick Gibson
Jerome Walton wasn't a fave of mine, but he certainly didn't end up living up to the hype.
Todd Van Poppel and Brien Taylor had me fooled too.
by killa on Apr 23, 2007 10:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Where do I start... How about Generation K ...
Isringhausen has done well as a reliever but did not match my expections as a dominating starter...
by louief1 on Apr 23, 2007 10:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jesse Foppert, Jerome Williams, Kurt Ainsworth
by jponry on Apr 23, 2007 10:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Liriano and Bonser
Ok, maybe Liriano is hurt and Bonser doesn't deserve to be in this discussion, but Bonser has a sweet name.
by BlackOps on Apr 23, 2007 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rick Ankiel
As a Brewers fan, Nick Neugebauer comes to mind. His 100mph heater had some people saying he could end up being better than Ben Sheets. Never quite worked out that way!
by andy 5 on Apr 23, 2007 10:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Josh Hamilton
by greg456 on Apr 23, 2007 10:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's looking pretty good right now
by lemonjello on Apr 23, 2007 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Michael Restovich
He could have been a force in that lineup...
by avehoward on Apr 23, 2007 10:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Michael "Prime Time" Coleman
Had awesome talent, but was a head-case (he gave himself the nickname "Prime Time").
Never really made it past AAAA status, and ended up playing indy ball.
by SmokeyJoeWood on Apr 23, 2007 11:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Anderson
Good luck with culinary school Ryan.
by Con on Apr 23, 2007 12:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oh, so many
I also had high hopes for Bud Smith and Jose Ortiz. I'm sure there are many others, I've just blocked them from my memory.
by e 6 on Apr 23, 2007 12:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A few
Calvin Pickering - remember when Bill James predicted he would have a higher OPS than David Ortiz in 2005
Ryan Wagner - thought he would be dominant
Billy Ashley and Karim Garcia - both hyped a bit much when they came up and neither did much
by count sutton on Apr 23, 2007 12:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Matt Bush
by cmathewson on Apr 23, 2007 12:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A few
But my biggest hometown (Twins) flop had to be when I jocked Adam Johnson as our sure-fire closer of the future. I think my prognostication of the young fella went something like this, "He's got a pit bull mentality and a wicked slider that he can throw for strikes." His "pit bull mentality" should have been "egotistical brat who can't handle anything not served on a silver platter" and the "slider...for strikes" should have been "slider...in the dirt, backstop, and anywhere but the strike zone". Maybe I'm being a bit harsh on my description of what should have been, but he really did peak in college, had attitude and control issues.
by Jaerbesan on Apr 23, 2007 12:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Or
by cmathewson on Apr 23, 2007 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a Met fan....
And on a morbid note that transcends Baseball, I was on the Brian Cole bandwagon pretty hard before his untimely death. He was Alex Escobar without the hype, which made him very appealing for prospect watchers. He would've been given a look sooner rather than later, given how bad the Met OF was until just recently...
by MetfanBren on Apr 23, 2007 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Tank
by Mike McBride on Apr 23, 2007 2:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Marc Newfield
by dkny22 on Apr 23, 2007 2:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dopirak
by Brickhaus on Apr 23, 2007 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A few that come to mind
by jlost284 on Apr 23, 2007 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The trifecta
by PolkCountyRay on Apr 23, 2007 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hee Seop and Clint Everts...
Choi never got a chance, but when he did he mashed. Thing is, all anyone saw was his awkwardness and his K rate and said forget it. He could have been a solid starter for someone.
Everts still has a chance, but he's really had trouble coming back from TJ surgery. He was my favorite player in the '02 draft, and Kazmir's athletic, RH teammate with 3 plus/plus plus pitches.
A couple other guys have been mentioned in this thread. Carlos Pena, all Cubs pitching prospects in the past million years, Nick Neugabauer (sp?), J.M Gold...
Wow theres alot.
by SenorGato88 on Apr 23, 2007 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Yup, not a single prospect ever there ...
by WayneCampbell05 on Apr 24, 2007 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ruben Mateo, Carlos Pena, and Matt Riley...
by louief1 on Apr 23, 2007 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Allison
The Associated Press reports the Florida Marlins selected P Jeff Allison (Veterans Memorial High School, Mass.) with the No. 16 overall pick in the 2003 amateur draft. Some believed Allison was the best pure arm in the draft... Allison tossed 63 2/3 innings [in high school] without allowing an earned run. He was 9-0, 0.00 with 142 strikeouts and nine walks, surrendering just 13 hits and one unearned run. He also batted .441-2-29.
This is a prospect on drugs:
The Greensboro News and Record is reporting an arrest warrant was issued in Greensboro, N.C., for former Florida Marlins first-round draft pick Jeff Allison, who failed to appear at a court hearing. Allison was arrested in October and charged with felony possession of heroin and possession of a stolen vehicle. Guilford County Judge Susan Burch issued the warrant and a $2,500 secured bond after Allison missed the preliminary hearing. The charges carry up to four years in prison.
Drugs are bad, m'kay?
Seriously though, stuff like this is sad, and makes you think more of players as people instead of names on a piece of paper or website.
by AucklandGM on Apr 23, 2007 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Brian Barnes
by TigerFanInCleveland on Apr 23, 2007 4:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Super Joe
by RogoRooter on Apr 23, 2007 4:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, the original Super Joe was
1980 AL ROY, then nothing.
"- Not since Joe Charbonneau's rookie year in 1980 did an Indian create such a stir. Charbonneau's talents, however, were G-rated. "Super Joe" opened beer bottles with his eye socket and drank the suds through a straw in his nostril. Tastes great? Less filling? Only Joe knows."
-http://www.vancourier.com/issues04/102204/sports.html
"He finished the season with 87 runs batted in and a .289 batting average while winning the American League Rookie of the Year award--all in spite of being stabbed with a ball-point pen by a crazed fan as he waited for the team bus on March 8. The pen penetrated an inch and hit a rib, but Charboneau played his first regular-season game just over a month later, on April 11."
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Charboneau
by finman on Apr 24, 2007 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhhhh yes....
by RogoRooter on Apr 24, 2007 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indians' Busts!
Some Indians' busts I can recall -
RHP Tim Drew - the "forgotten" Drew brother never panned out - had a low-90s fastball and was supposed to be quite polished for a HS pitcher, but between being rushed a bit by the Indians and the fact that he never adapted to AAA, he never achieved the success many predicted for him (and has only appeared in 35 ML games between 2000-2004, and didn't pitch anywhere in 2006 after having shoulder surgery, I believe.)
Really, the warning sign should have came in AA - while his H, HR, and BB rates were quite good, his K rate was 3.81 K/9 IP (though admittedly, it was only 9 AA starts - conversely, Jeremy Sowers' AA K rate was 7.65 K/9 IP, more than twice that of Drew's AA K rate.)
Drew's K rate at AAA did "rebound" slightly to 4-5 K/9 IP, but his other numbers worsened, especially his H rate (much closer to or over 9/9 IP.)
Ironically, he had shoulder surgery (I believe) just recently and the Indians were considering resigning him to a Minor League deal if his workout impressed them enough, but I didn't hear anything more about that (this was about 3-4 weeks ago,) so I presume the Indians decided to pass on resigning him.
Others include - as mentioned, Ricardo Rodriguez (command wasn't good enough and his temperament was a bit volatile at times, as well as being stubborn at times as well) and Alex Escobar (didn't make enough contact to allow his power to be useful.)
Others:
3B Russell Branyan - John Hart had the choice between him and Sexson; while Sexson hasn't been Thome's equal, Sexson has been considerably better than Branyan, so I think Hart chose the wrong one.
3B Corey Smith - never put together a full great season, as he was too streaky, plus he had trouble making consistent contact.
RHP Jeremy Guthrie - AAA was too much for him - he breezed through AA his first time, allowing just 6.32 H/9 IP, though a warning sign should have been that he had just a 5.03 K/9 IP rate (that too was just in 9 AA starts, so small sample size, perhaps.) But, when he got to AAA, much like Drew, he got rocked to the tune of 12.01 H/9 IP, and unlike Drew, gave up 1.40 HR/9 IP.
After several years in AAA, it looked like he broke through somewhat in 2006, with a 7.59 H/9 IP, along with a 0.44 HR/9 IP, a 3.44 BB/9 IP, and a 6.42 K/9 IP rate, but still never fully adapted to the Majors, though the Indians did not give him much opportunity in a starting role, and as a reliever, he was pretty inconsistent (one good outing, followed by 2-3 bad ones.)
I think the Mormon mission that caused him to miss 2 years or so might have had something to do with his struggles - he wasn't as developed with his command as many thought he was when he was drafted, and being that he was away from the game for 2 years, he lost critical development time. Plus, the fact that Scott Boras got him a ML contract limited the Indians' ability to send him to the Minors, since I believe he only had 3 option years (could be wrong on this,) so the Indians had to rush him somewhat even when they probably knew he wasn't ready to get ML hitters out on a consistent basis.
There are probably others I could think of, and maybe I'll add another post later, but these are the ones that come to mind at the present time.
Take care and have a great day!
by indiansfan on Apr 23, 2007 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Going a ways back now, but I recall...
by almantle on Apr 23, 2007 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another one from that period!
Yes, Medina is a good example. Another one from that period that wasn't really an Indians' prospect, but I think was supposed to be a solid to good player was Alex Cole.
He never turned into the projected player that his successor, Kenny Lofton, turned into. On that one, I think Hart got it right (trade Eddie Taubensee and Willie Blair to Houston for Lofton and Dave Rohde.) :-)
Just my 2 cents.
Take care and have a great day!
by indiansfan on Apr 23, 2007 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt White
by johnp63 on Apr 23, 2007 5:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ah the memories...
- Mitch Meluskey - I really don't know why he failed, to be honest. Other than I've heard people didn't like him.
- Esteban German - I love leadoff prospects, and I had such high hopes for this guy. I think he showed some of it in 2006, finally. But I thought he would have a much more normal career progression. Defense really held him back, from what I can tell.
- Carlos-Ruben Febles-Gotay - What is it about Royals second-base prospects? I don't know if a guy with 414 career hits can be called a "failed prospect", but I expected much more from Febles.
by BobbyMac on Apr 23, 2007 5:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What about
Every spring training on SportCenter you'd see him going yard with 450 foot bombs, and then April 1 rolled around and he'd never be heard from again....seems like that happened 3 or 4 springs in a row.
Joe Borchard was another, but he's been mentioned already.
by nutworld on Apr 23, 2007 6:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Grant Roberts...
by MetfanBren on Apr 23, 2007 6:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Matt Harrington
by FrozenTed9 on Apr 23, 2007 6:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I've got some good ones for you guys...
Chad Hermanson (SS) Pirates, I thought he would great, but could never hit MLB pitching... AAAA player
Kevin Maas 1B/DH Yankees: He did have one incredible summer. Just like Sam Horn though...
Mel Nieves and Mike Kelly of the Braves- the both turned into journeymen and AAAA players...
by JT12340 on Apr 23, 2007 7:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jovanny Cedeno
McPherson is another one I thought would be a star by now.
by RCCook on Apr 23, 2007 8:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Closer in waiting
by akk99 on Apr 23, 2007 8:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Showing my age
Donnie Sadler
Brian Rose
by Robinson Checo on Apr 23, 2007 8:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mark Prior
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Apr 23, 2007 10:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Brien Taylor
by nyy601 on Apr 24, 2007 12:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
other non Yankees
Oliver Perez(pitching good this year though)
by nyy601 on Apr 24, 2007 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahhh
by daveh33 on Apr 24, 2007 7:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sil Campusano
by Flynn Blake on Apr 25, 2007 12:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
my guy
by Team Moneyball on Apr 25, 2007 1:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, if only...
But is it too soon to say Abe Alvarez?
by drjayphd on Apr 25, 2007 1:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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