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Clement vs. Saltalamacchia

Prospect Smackdown: Jeff Clement vs. Jarrod Saltalamacchia

Background and Intangibles
Clement:  Jeff Clement was drafted in the first round in 2005, third overall, out of the University of Southern California. A high school star in Iowa, he set a record with 75 home runs in his high school career, and was one of the top power hitters in college during his career at USC. His defense drew mixed reviews, but his booming bat made him one of the elite players available in '05. An injury-plagued '06 season has hurt his stock slightly, but he's still one of the top catching prospects in the game. He's worked hard to improve his glovework, and his makeup is rated highly.
Saltalamacchia: Jarrod Saltalamacchia was drafted in the supplemental first round in 2003, 36th overall, out of high school in West Palm Beach, Florida. His bat was highly-regarded, but doubts about his defense kept him out of the regular first round. After a slow start in rookie ball and a decent-but-not-great 2004, Saltalamacchia broke out with a huge 2005 season, emerging as the best overall catching prospect in the baseball. However, an injury-plagued '06 hurt his stock slightly. Managers and coaches praise his work ethic, intelligence, and intangibles.
Advantage: Clement had a slightly higher profile as an amateur due to his high school exploits and college experience, but both players are well-regarded for their intangibles. Looks pretty even to me.

Physicality, Health, and Tools
Clement:  Clement was born August 21, 1983. Listed at 6-2, 215 pounds, he is a lefthanded hitter and a righthanded thrower. His best tool is power: he has outstanding raw power, but is not a pure pull hitter and can drive the ball to the opposite field. His strike zone judgment can be erratic, but when everything is working he's difficult to fool and is not an all-or-nothing bat. On defense, he has a strong arm, but his footwork is mediocre and he'll never be a top-notch gloveman. This isn't for lack of effort; he's worked hard to refine his glove, and optimists believe that he'll be an average defender in the long run. Pessimists believe he'll have to move to first base eventually. Injuries were a major factor last year: he missed tome with a torn left meniscus in his knee, and then a bone chip in his elbow. The injuries likely impacted both his hitting and fielding.
Saltalamacchia: Saltalamacchia was born May 2, 1985. Listed at 6-4, 195 pounds, he is a switch hitter and righthanded thrower. He does not have as much pure power as Clement, but he certainly drives the ball well and has sound plate discipline. He struggled in his initial Double-A exposure last spring, in part due to injuries, but played better in the second half. On defense, he has a strong arm but his footwork can be erratic. Many scouts believe he'll be just fine with the glove, while others think he'll eventually have to move to first base. Some people were down on his defense in the Arizona Fall League, feeling that he had lost mobility and gained more weight than expected, while others thought the issue is overblown. A wrist injury sapped his offense at the beginning of last season, but as the season progressed his wrist improved.
Advantage: Both players had injuries which slowed their progress last year. Clement has more power potential according to scouts, but Saltalamacchia is hardly a slouch in that department and has better strike zone judgment. Both of them have work to do on defense; both may face a positional change down the road. Neither has any speed. Overall this looks even to me.

Performance and Polish
Clement:  Clement came into 2007 with a career mark of .278/.348/.420. His performance last year was regarded as disappointing, but he was injured, and playing in Triple-A with only 45 games of lower-level experience on his resume. He's considered to be relatively polished with the bat, but in need of a more work on defense.
Saltalamacchia: Saltalamacchia came into 2007 with a career mark of .273/.370/.448 in 358 games. He's considered to be relatively polished with the bat, but in need of more work on defense.
Advantage: Direct statistical comparison is difficult, since most of Clement's numbers are in Triple-A and Salty hadn't reached that level yet. Also Clement was rushed to that level unadvisedly in my view. For what it is worth, PECOTA is much higher on Saltalamacchia than on Clement, although I'm not sure how much weight to give that given the injuries and sample size considerations. I think I will give Salty a slight edge here due to his superior strike zone judgment.

Projection
Clement:  Clement projects as a .250-.270 hitter at the major league level with at least 20 homers in a full season, possibly 30 if the full expectations of scouts are met. This would have great value if he can remain at catcher, but not so much at first base.
Saltalamacchia: Salty projects as a. .250-.270 hitter at the major league level with 20-25 homers a season. This would be of great value if he can remain at catcher, but not so much at first base.
Advantage: Salty is younger so he has more projection at this point, which is a big part of what PECOTA gets at.

Summary : I rate them as even in background/intangibles, even on tools/physicality, with Salty having a slight edge in performance (although a direct comparison is problematic) and Salty having the edge in projection. So overall Saltalamacchia comes out a bit ahead, and this is reflected in their rankings on my Top 50 prospects list.

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i thought salty
projected for a higher Avg? Guess i need to knock him down my chart a little bit

by EDUB on Apr 19, 2007 5:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Salty
His pretty good plate discipline, nice swing, and stats at the hitters park at Myrtle Beach leads me to believe he will hit for higher average and power than that. If he does get moved to first, then I think .300 and 30+ HRs isn't out of reach for him

by was385 on Apr 19, 2007 5:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Hitters park?
I think you meant to say PITCHERS park.

by scstrato on Apr 20, 2007 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Salty
No way is he under 200 lbs. The dude is huge.

by aCone419 on Apr 19, 2007 5:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I think
he is probably around 200-205 lbs. He is pretty skinny but tall and we usually see him with his gear on

by was385 on Apr 19, 2007 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Salty
He is presently 6'4 235 lbs.

by 525DP on Apr 19, 2007 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Better hitter
Salty has power to all fields. I think eventually he is a 30 homer guy. Also think he will be a pretty decent average guy.

by bravitos5122 on Apr 19, 2007 5:58 PM EDT reply actions  

both
i actually have both in my minor leagues for my keeper league. I am hoping at least one of them stays at catcher. I think I am hedging my bets by having both. Unfortunately both have decent or great catchers in front of them... when do you guys think they will make regular at bats in the majors and at what position?

by Trobone on Apr 19, 2007 6:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Satly won't be a C with ATL
McCann

by Fett42 @ Minor League Ball on Apr 19, 2007 7:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought that Clement
Was so highly regarded coming out of USC formore than just his power?  Power + average (good contact) + patience (walks), plus catching, that what made him so attractive and therefore the third pick in the draft.  It would not surprise me to see him have a career average - .270-.280 and a career OBP of around .380, maybe even .400, plus 25-35 HRs a year.  Remember this was guy who had a CAREER .500 OBP at USC!
Go M's!

by OBF on Apr 19, 2007 7:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Salty
For the young season ( only 40 ABs ), He is hitting, rather killing to the tune of
359/479/692 with 3HR, 4 2B
This is inline with his second half #s from 2006

I think John is being a bit pessimistic here

by Godot on Apr 19, 2007 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

It's important to remember with most ATL prospects
that nearly every field in Atlanta's minor league organization pretty strongly favors pitchers, which makes his numbers even more impressive, IMO.

Also, given Salty's age, he's still got at least another year or two before the Braves have to start pushing him, and with two capable catchers with the ballclub locked up for the next 5 years, it's more than likely that Salty is tradebait once his value rebounds.

by mraver on Apr 20, 2007 10:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Good to see you, mraver!
Glad you're sticking up for Salty Dog. This exile from Bravesjournal is tough, but at least we can haunt the baseball corner of the blogosphere.

I think there's almost no chance that the Braves will hang on to both McCann and Salty, and Salty's such a valuable trade chip that they'll almost certainly trade him for pitching; but these days it's hard to say. Here's hoping he has a good, long career no matter where he plays.

by alexwithclass on Apr 20, 2007 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

how does kurt suzuki compare to them?
probably less upside/projection, but suzuki should hit for a higher avg/obp and probably better defensively.. though suzuki probably wont hit more than 15hr's

by rayver723 on Apr 20, 2007 12:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Salty
Should be playing 1b in Atlanta by '08, but that doesn't mean he will.

by JFP on Apr 20, 2007 12:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Platoon
I am wondering if the Braves can use both McCann & Salty in a C/1B platoon to keep both fresh for the entire season (100 for McCann, 60 for Salty or something like that). I don't know if that has ever been tried, but it seems that both are special players and can hit enough to be legit 1B. That way, they can have an elite C in there every single day, not just for 140 games if they have just McCann.

Just an idea that I think is worth pursuing... I guess it depends on what they could get for Salty, but teams are extremely reluctant to give up pitching of any quality these days...

by jc3 on Apr 20, 2007 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Salty Splits
Amazing how 3 bad months dropped Salty's prospect status so much...

.241/.333/.430 - April 06, AA
.174/.321/.217 - May 06, AA
.176/.269/.250 - June 06, AA
.357/.509/.810 - July 06, AA
.313/.425/.438 - August 06, AA
.226/.351/.387 - Aug/Sept 06, Team USA
.565/.655/1.000 - Oct/Nov 06, AFL
.395/.500/.698 - April 07, AA

Besides a poor performance with Team USA he's been  raking since July 06.

by sungod7 on Apr 20, 2007 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

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