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John Danks Crystal Ball

Today is John Danks Day.

Now, first of all, White Sox fans are likely to howl in anger about the CB. I also want to make my position on Danks perfectly clear: I think he's a fine, fine prospect, no question. But his perofmrnace has never quite matched his reputation, and I don't like the way the Rangers have rushed him. I think the White Sox are rushing him, too, and I have doubts about how his command will hold up.

This CB reflects what I think might happen if his command never comes around. Note that he gets hurt, and ends up having a decent later career in the bullpen.

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Can we have Bmac back?
* if john's CB gets to be true

by The Wizard @ Minor League Ball on Mar 30, 2007 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Yikes!
Perhaps the most pessimistic CB yet!  Well done.

That distant rumble you hear is the sound of every Pale Hose fan in America rushing to their keyboards to complain.

As Paulie Walnuts woud say: "You got a lotta balls, my friend."  

The House That Dewey Built http://www.deweyshouse.com

by SmokeyJoeWood on Mar 30, 2007 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Dewey rules!
My favorite ballplayer of all time even though I'm a die hard yanks fan.

Love Dewey!

Dustin Pedroia .... a poor man's Ronny Cedeno - Theo Epstein

by the pinstripes on Apr 2, 2007 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

John, did you type "john danks"
when you meant to type "gavin floyd" by any chance?

by The Wizard @ Minor League Ball on Mar 30, 2007 3:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Looks a lot like Eric Milton
That's who I compare Danks too. High HR rates, below average control and a pretty good fastball.

by Bravesin07 on Mar 30, 2007 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

thoughts
His minor league track record, to me, seems to show a guy who struggles at a new level initially and then adapts.  Perhaps he has been pushed, but I look for him to struggle initially this year but turn out to be an above average starter.

by shaftr on Mar 30, 2007 3:57 PM EDT reply actions  

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Exactly, and he's now in an organization that is far more likely to coax his talent out.  

by bootsy on Mar 30, 2007 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

It may be true
however I think he will stick around longer as a reliever. As long as he has a pulse, his left hand will get him NRI's until he is at least 40.

by aaronb on Mar 30, 2007 4:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Relief career
How come no one ever gives him a shot to close?  Looks like he has good K/walk numbers out of the pen.

by Lunkwill Fook on Mar 30, 2007 4:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I would hate to see
the projections for every prospect rated lower than Danks (which is about 80% of the prospects).

2-8 in 2007?  Thats pretty hard to do with Chicago's lineup.  Pitchers will get wins that they would not normally get on other teams.  See Buehrle 2006.

by RME JICO on Mar 30, 2007 6:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep
Juan Uribe, Scott Podsednik, and Darin Erstad certainly strike terror in my heart. The Sox have a good core, but unfortunately only 2/3 of a major-league lineup.

All that said, I expect Danks to be a little better than this.

Where Anne hath a will, Anne Hathaway.

by woodstein52 on Mar 31, 2007 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

The McCarthy trade
The best part of this is that the supposed reason they traded McCarthy was because he was too HR-prone, yet everything in Danks' history indicates that he's just as HR-prone, if not more so, as McCarthy.  I actually like this CB.  Seems about right to me.
Will Eli be showering in Evian at last?

by Brickhaus on Mar 30, 2007 8:56 PM EDT reply actions  

This is true
But, of course, Danks hasn't given up 30 homers in 150 BIG LEAGUE innings either.

The kid will turn 22 in a few weeks. I know lots of things can go wrong but, I agree with Ken Williams on this one. Its risky but, I think Danks will have a better career than McCarthy and , MUCH better than this CB. I appreciate the pessimism though. I kust dont agree with this one.

casedog

by casejud on Mar 31, 2007 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

sounds a tad tough
power lefties represent a uncommon look to batters cuz there ain't none (or very few).

they can be as close to unhittable as any pitcher.
(r johnson)

not sayin it's wrong- John specified this scenario is the never gains good control version, so definitely a viable scenario. Plenty of pitchers never gain control.

think he and Lester are a lot alike and IF they improve their control, can have some quite effective if not stellar years.

by dryice on Mar 31, 2007 4:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Danks isn't like Johnson, Santana, Sabathia...
Liriano, etc. in terms of his fastball velocity, from what I have read.

Hello everyone,

Unless I'm mistaken (which is possible,) I've read and heard that Danks' fastball registers in the low-90s, maybe touching 95.  That's less velocity than all the LHPs I mentioned above.  Based on pure velocity alone, I wouldn't call Danks overpowering.  Above-average yes, but overpowering?  Not quite in my opinion.

If he has good movement on his fastball, he can be overpowering, but based on pure velocity alone, I don't think he is, so these comparisons to Johnson and others might be a bit unrealistic.

Personally, I think he's been a bit rushed, and being that he is going to the most HR-happy ballpark in baseball, it would not surprise me for Danks to struggle and put up low numbers, around where John has predicted, maybe a bit higher in the win department (4-5 wins,) but the ERA being in the upper-5 to low-6 range wouldn't surprise me.  

Danks hadn't mastered AAA yet as he nearly gives up a H/IP (8.53,) which is part of the reason why I don't think he will overpower ML hitters this year, a 1.40 HR/9 IP ratio at AAA (and I don't know if Oklahoma's ballpark is more of a hitter's park or not, but US Cellular Field certainly is, so his ML HR rate might be that high or even a bit higher than that,) and an over 4 BB/9 IP rate at AAA - it could be 4-6 BB/9 IP rate in the Majors.  Even with an over 9 K/9 IP ratio at AAA, which might translate to 6-8 K/9 IP ratio in the Majors, I don't think that'll be enough when his other ratios are below-average to average at best to lead me to believe that Danks will have great success in his rookie season for the White Sox.  

Only time will tell.

Just my 2 cents.  :-)

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on Apr 1, 2007 9:35 PM EDT reply actions  

agree
did'nt mean to leave the impression that danks=johnson..

Only mentioned johnson in the context of what a generic power lefty CAN do.

93-95 equates to Lester..in fact, Danks looks like he oould pass for Lester's twin.

Lester had a season last year that teetered between effecive and so..so.

Between bouts with Control problems, was fairly good. Boston was in his games.

So maybe danks can have the same kind of season..
not so good whip, but for a 5th starter not bad.

by dryice on Apr 2, 2007 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta Remember
Danks is a guy who has claimed a spot in a major league rotation (and a pretty good rotation at that) as a 21 year old.  How often does that happen?  

I think this is way too pessimistic - if Danks were starting the year in AA (like most people his age) he would be putting up dominant statistics and we would all be saying that he would be an above avg major league starter.  That's what I expect...about 120-150 wins, a career ERA in the low 4's, and a few years where he's one of the top 15-20 starters in the AL.

BTW, I've never heard of him having any arm troubles so I thought the injury stuff was a bit odd...

by Dfarth on Apr 3, 2007 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

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