Garko vs Francisco
The battle for the last spot on the Indians opening day roster appears to be between Ryan Garko and Ben Francisco. Who do you think will get it, and why?
Personally, I think Garko should get it. His bat is impressive and he did well in a limited role last year. Granted, his defense around first base has been spotty, but I am not sure if Victor Martinez, or Travis Hafner's is much better, if they even consider putting Pronk over there. I just think Garko's bat is too good to send down, unless they want him to play every day in Buffalo.
Nixon, Delluci, Michaels and Blake all seem assured of corner spots. How is Francisco going to be used? Maybe the Tribe are looking to deal one or both of these guys though and are showcasing them?
What do you think?
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Wasted money
I think Garko could fall out of bed and outhit Francisco.
by Flynn Blake on Mar 27, 2007 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Garko
by Honda3speed on Mar 27, 2007 10:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts!
Ironically, we've discussed this on LGT for nearly a week now, ever since it came up that we might take a 5th OFer with us. :-) You can see some of what we said here.
First, Garko's defense is a bit of an issue, though I think it gets overblown at times - in my opinion, it's NOT that bad - below-average, yes, but not so horrendous that he can't play over there.
I think the Indians are concerned about his defense for two main reasons:
- The defensive collapse in 2006.
- The three young IFers - Marte, Peralta, and Barfield.
Garko does have the advantage over Francisco in terms of ML exposure; however, let's not short-change Francisco here - his Minor League numbers are solid, not spectacular, but solid, and arguably, more what you would expect out of Franklin Gutierrez, but Francisco has consistently put them up since he's been in the Indians' farm system, with a Minor League career line of .289/.354/.458, including a solid .278/.345/.454 in his first exposure to AAA at age 24.
There are questions whether he'd ever hit enough to be a corner OFer, and some have questioned whether he could handle CF on an everyday basis, but as a 4th OFer, he'd arguably be perfect, and could someday make Jason Michaels expendable in my opinion. Plus, Francisco has stolen 99 bases in 125 attempts, nearly an 80% SB success ratio (79.2% to be exact.)
Granted, ST stats don't mean much, but Eric Wedge has been impressed with him, saying that he has turned around the best fastballs and has hit the toughest breaking balls, so I think Francisco is showing that he could be ready for his ML debut. I think his solid spring gives him an edge over Gutierrez and Choo for that 5th OFer spot. Choo actually would prefer to start at Buffalo instead of sitting on the ML bench (I'm not kidding when I say that either - look here.)
Defensively, Francisco has a relatively weak arm, so if he ever became an everyday player, he would most likely be a LFer. However, he has enough range to play all 3 OF spots, especially as part of a platoon or in a backup role.
Another reason why Francisco, Choo, and Gutierrez are being considered is probably due to the fact that Nixon doesn't seem to be up to game speed yet, according to the reports I've heard. Therefore, they may want to protect themselves, though you would think Choo would be the likeliest of the three to be selected because he is the only lefty of the three, but based on praise and performance, I'm thinking Francisco has the edge over Choo and Gutierrez.
This recent Indians.com article shows that Garko continues to improve and that the Indians are also taking into account the 20 games he played at 1B last season.
If I had to guess, I think Garko will make the team, with Francisco, Gutierrez, and Choo sent down to AAA Buffalo. I could be wrong, but Garko's bat certainly helps the lineup against LHP, and being that Garko won't be in there everyday, I don't think his defense will hurt the Indians that much, if at all (like I said, he's below-average, but he's not THAT bad - while Garko has made 3 Es at 1B in ST, Hector Luna, who was supposed to be the Indians' backup to Peralta, made 8 Es at SS, 2B, and 3B this ST, and was optioned to AAA Buffalo the other day, leaving the backup UTIL spot to former A's farmhand Mike Rouse, most likely, which you can read more about here.)
We'll find out in another day or two whether Garko, Francisco, or another OFer (Choo or Gutierrez) makes the Indians' 25-man roster, as well as whether it will be RHP Tom Mastny or LHP Juan Lara who will replace RHP Matt Miller in the bullpen (he's out 3-4 weeks with a severe cramp in his forearm, which is unfortunate after being out with an injured elbow for most of 2006, but was having a great ST. Mind you, this is Matt, not Adam, who according to tribester, actually hit 100 MPH (again!) in his start against Detroit's AAA affiliate, the Toledo Mudhens, on Saturday. I'll probably mention more about this in a future diary - stay tuned! :-)
Just my 2 cents. :-)
Take care and have a great day!
by indiansfan on Mar 28, 2007 12:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
my take
i guess one creative idea that doesn't involve garko is to platoon one of the lefty corner OFs with michaels and the other one with kelly shoppach: blake moves to the outfield, martinez to 1B and shoppach catches. it all works in theory, although in practice i've never seen a quasi-platoon involving an outfielder with a catcher.
any way you slice it, the tribe is going to have a very good offense. i could easily see their top 11 guys all putting up at least a .340 OBP and .450 SLG, and that's not even counting choo, who i think could outhit nixon this year (but it won't matter much because he'll just get called up when nixon inevitably gets hurt anyway).
by jpahk on Mar 28, 2007 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
disagree
I'm not saying Garko shouldn't get the last roster spot, but your justification is warped. Francisco is a victim of the numbers game, nothing more. His performance in AAA did nothing to show he could not handle a MLB job of some capacity.
by ScottAZ on Mar 28, 2007 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all right
by jpahk on Mar 28, 2007 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
re
Let me ask you a question: Do you think signing career platooner Dellucci and fading vet Nixon is going to be better than turning over the jobs to Choo/Garko/Francisco? Worth the extra $10+ mill they will pay in salaries?
by ScottAZ on Mar 29, 2007 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Indians want veteran experience, plus...
Hello ScottAZ,
Good question. I think for 2007, the Indians will get their money's worth - besides the veteran experience and the proven production by the veterans, they also want guys who are more selective at the plate, as the Indians struck out the 2nd-most times in the Majors last year (I think I'm correct on that; I'm pretty sure the Brewers struck out more than the Indians did.)
The Indians didn't feel confident that the three rookies would be able to be as selective as Dellucci and Nixon. I know Choo struggled in September with Ks, finishing with 46 K in 146 ABs, around 1/3 of his ABs. Choo also needs to work on hitting LHPs, though Dellucci and Nixon aren't expected to get that many ABs off them either (instead, Michaels/Blake/Garko will get most of those ABs.)
Garko's defense likely came into play in regards to whether to keep Blake as a full-time OFer or to have him split time between the OF and 1B. As for Francisco, he hasn't made his ML debut yet, so I don't think the Indians wanted to rely on his production, which might include ups-and-downs, to help carry this team offensively against LHPs, instead choosing Garko's bat over Francisco's, in combination with Blake's and Michaels'.
In addition, the Indians know that this current window involving CC, Hafner, and Westbrook is rapidly closing, being that they likely won't sign all 3, and even 2 might be a challenge, as well as the fact that Shapiro stated that they would be contending for the division by now, so they felt that going with proven veteran production was the more prudent choice than going with 3 rookies, 2 with limited ML experience and 1 with none if they want to put the best team out there to contend in 2007.
Whether it turns out to be the right move, only time will tell, but, if ST stats mean anything, Dellucci, Nixon, and Michaels have all had solid springs,:
Dellucci: .277/.382/.574, 4 HR, 8 RBIs, 7 BB, 7 K
Nixon: .265/.382/.390, 1 HR, 2 RBIs, 6 BB, 3 K
Michaels: .326/.415/.565, 2 HR, 5 RBIs, 7 BB, 9 K
Only Blake has been a little unimpressive (at least in regards to his BB/K ratio):
.250/.278/.558, 4 HR, 8 RBIs, 1 BB, 11 K
Francisco has certainly had a great spring in his own right (.293/.333/.561, 3 HR, 5 RBIs, 3 BB, 6 K), but again, the lack of experience likely played a factor, as well as the fact that Dellucci and Nixon were signed before ST started, as well as Michaels signing a 2-year contract extension before ST started.
Only time will tell how well those decisions to sign the veterans will play out, but if worse comes to shove, you do have Francisco and Choo a phone call away at AAA Buffalo, where they can hone their skills and improve on the few weaknesses they have, which they wouldn't be able to do only getting a few ABs a week, sitting on the bench the rest of the time.
Just my 2 cents. :-)
Take care and have a great day!
by indiansfan on Mar 30, 2007 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree that Garko can probably better...
Hello jpahk,
No offense, but I'm not sure many LGT members would agree with you when you say "Garko has mashed in Buffalo a couple of times," mostly because he only hit .247 in his second go-around at AAA, and it was actually lower than that until he went on a better tear before he got called up to Cleveland in late 2006. He still hit 15 HRs and had 59 RBIs for the year, but his line of .247/.352/.420 at age 25 doesn't compare to his line of .303/.384/.498 at age 24, so saying he has mashed a "couple of times at Buffalo" isn't exactly accurate.
However, I do agree with your point that Garko would probably handle the Majors better than Francisco because comparing his age 24 line to Francisco's age 24 line, which was .278/.345/.454, Garko's was clearly better. In addition, Garko has some limited ML experience to draw on, whereas Francisco doesn't.
Again, I think the main reason the Indians are even considering Francisco at this late point of ST is because of Garko's defense, which again, I think is a bit overblown due to the fact that the Indians' IF defense faltered in 2006 and the fact that the Tribe has 3 young IFers throwing to 1B. I've seen Garko make a few nice plays, and admittedly, a few bad ones, but being that he hasn't played 1B for all that long (a few years,) and the fact that he likely won't play it everyday, I still think Garko will make the team despite his below-average defense.
Another day or two, we should know for sure.
Just my 2 cents. :-)
Take care and have a great day!
by indiansfan on Mar 28, 2007 6:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
garko
oddly, the article also says that garko will platoon with victor martinez at 1B. i'm not sure exactly what they mean by that.
by jpahk on Mar 28, 2007 2:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed - Garko, Rouse, and Mastny made it!
Yes, ESPN and others have confirmed that those three have made it; Francisco, Choo, and Lara have been optioned to AAA Buffalo, while Gutierrez (along with Inglett) are battling hamstring injuries (something I was not aware of in regards to Gutierrez yesterday when I made my post.) Those two and Matt Miller will begin 2007 on the DL.
Regarding Garko, like I said, he's more advanced than Francisco because of his ML experience, and I agree that his 2006 line shouldn't be the only criteria used to evaluate him (I've mentioned this a few times myself on LGT,) but most would still say that Garko didn't "hammer" AAA pitching in 2006, due to the low BA. Conversely, Francisco didn't do poorly at AAA last year - his numbers were more solid than spectacular, but combined with his very solid ST, he probably would have made most ballclubs, and probably would have made the Indians as well if not for the roster crunch this year.
Just my 2 cents. :-)
Take care and have a great day!
by indiansfan on Mar 28, 2007 5:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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