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Pro/Con: Trading draft picks

Reading through Jim Callis' latest chat where the issue was raised, I thought it might make an interesting off-season discussion to hear what people thought about baseball's rule which forbids clubs from trading their draft picks.

Good rule -- protecting franchises from their own short-term bad decision-making and from agents who would manipulate the draft -- or bad one -- not allowing clubs the flexibility to trade for what they need?

Do you think it will change to be like the other major sports in the future? And what kind of value do you think there would be for baseball draft slots, given how much more unpredictable MLB draft picks are than those in the NFL/NBA?

How do you think trading draft picks would change the game specifically?

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Should Major League Baseball allow franchises to trade draft picks?
Yes
40 votes
No
31 votes
Yes, but with some serious restrictions different than other sports (specify below)
17 votes
Other (just because someone always complains if it isn't there)
0 votes

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One issue
There are some pretty high dollar franchises that ended up with some high draft picks this coming year.  Heck, just look what the Cubs did.  They sign Soriano and did not have to give up their 1st round pick to get him.  I may have a few issues with trading #1 picks but I think the Type A free agent rule that allows teams to retain their #1 pick if it falls in the top 15 is a bit outdated.  In a way a team is kinda trading their pick by signing another team's Type A FA already anyway.  But they should not get the benefit of keeping their Top 15 pick and signing a high priced FA.  How many low budget clubs sign Type A's anyway?  I would suspect, not many.

by acr on Feb 11, 2007 3:17 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well of all the Major Sports
The MLB Draft to me has so much talent and if your willing to pay, you can get a huge talent that to me Draft picks can be HUGE assets towards teams, especially teams who are bad. It's funny because lets say the Yankees call the Tigers in the 06 season right, and the Tigers need a big time bat, and the Yankees offer A-Rod for their 5th or 6th pick overall, don't you think that it can make teams like the Dodgers, Mets Yankees and Red Soxs stronger teams in the future.

by NYYLover1000 on Feb 11, 2007 3:18 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Really?!?
I hate to keep picking on you but REALLY!?!  Are you suggesting that trading ARod for a #6 pick is a win for the Yankees?  REALLY?  last 3 #6 picks: Andrew Miller (2006), Ryan Braun (2005), or Jeremy Sowers (2004).  They're all very good prospects but the Tigers/Brewers/Indians do that deal every way till Sunday.  

by Guyute on Feb 11, 2007 3:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was
just throwing it out there.

by NYYLover1000 on Feb 11, 2007 4:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Next time....
Don't.
God rested one day out of 7, Felix rests 4 out of 5.

by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 12, 2007 12:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

MLB draft Compensation.....
IMO is a joke. Oakland loses their #1 (maybe #2 to some-Haren) starter and gets a lower draft pick in compensation than Arizona gets for Craig freaking Counsell. I know the system is setup in a certain way, but when the guy who finshes 4th in the MVP voting is a type B FA, there is a flaw. The list of teams getting better picks than Oakland is getting for Zito/Thomas frustrates the heck out of me. Sorry to spit such sour grapes, but I think the compensation needs a MAJOR adjustment.

by bl on Feb 11, 2007 3:44 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

review
Compensation needs review. MLB should hire a group to figure out which players you can receive compensation for. It's ridiculous that teams can get compensation picks for guys like Chan Ho Park, Ryan Klesko, Tony Graffinino, and Scott Schoeneweis. If those guys can get compensation, why the hell not Adam Eaton or Mark Redman?

by doublestix on Feb 11, 2007 12:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Besides
if baseball can make teams trade draft picks, Do you think baseball should a salary cap? I just feel that if baseball did let teams trade picks then why not a Salary Cap.

by NYYLover1000 on Feb 11, 2007 4:14 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

to repeat above
Sorry to keep picking on you...

But is there any correlation between the two? I didn't think so...

by Metty5 on Feb 11, 2007 5:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually
there is a huge correlation and before picking on someone maybe you should think it through.

Lets say the Yankees have a salary cap and want to pick someone late in the draft and sign him to a $10 million dollar major league contract. This would affect their cap and would hinder their ability to get the late signees. It may in fact allow weaker teams drafting earlier to get the top talent. Of course Yankees and other teams would try to find a way around it.

But it's not so outlandish for you to try and make a fool of the guy over.

Dukes is Jurastically better than Bradley. After all Dukes has been playing baseball ever since T-ball.

by pedrophile on Feb 12, 2007 9:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like the idea...
I like the idea of trading draft picks. They should get rid of the draft pick compensation rule for free agents altogether. I think the only limit I'd put is they aren't allowed to trade more than two drafts in advance.

by rwperu34 on Feb 11, 2007 4:34 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

5x5
I don't think 5x5 is a good scoring format. I like my league, which is 6x6 and rewards OBP and SLG. Still, the rules of baseball have been pretty much the same for 100 years and I don't see why MLB should make such a drastic change right now.

by rwperu34 on Feb 11, 2007 12:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but with restrictions
I think allowing teams to trade draft picks is ok, if certain "safety measures" are added.  In the opening here, agents manipulating the system is mentioned.  There is a lot of that going on every year, with JD Drew probably being the biggest example of the problem.  To solve this, I'd go with salary slotting for each pick.  If the contract amount for each slot in the draft is already decided, agents can't work their kids through with outrageous demands to maneuver them to a team they choose.  If a team at the end of the first round wants a player going in the top 5, they're going to have to not only pay the player, but they have to give up value to move up to select that player.  

What this might do, is limit the number of "bonus baby" high school kids who threaten to go to college if they don't get X amount of dollars to sign.  With the money already determined, they make the decision whether they really want to go to college or not.  In addition to this, I'd allow players to be eligible for the draft after any college season.  That way, if a kid decided to go to college only to find out he'd rather take a little less money than he originally hoped for, he could enter the draft after his freshman year with minimal time lost.

This should help to eliminate teams selecting lesser players to signability issues, and at least allow them to trade their pick for some value if they don't want to pay the slot amount for their pick.  

With that said, I'm not sure how much actual trading would take place, as many teams wouldn't give up valuable prospects to gamble on a draft pick.  I don't think there would be serious issues if picks were tradeable, but allowing them to be traded would open another avenue for teams to add talent.

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by gatling on Feb 11, 2007 7:29 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Not the same as other sports
In all other sports, a player can be drafted one year and be starting the next.  The higher picks in many cases are expected to have an immediate impact.  That's VERY rare in baseball so I think it's kind of hard to hold them up next to each other and make many fair arguements.

I think they should be allowed to trade the picks, but it should be tightly regulated.  I also think the current draft compensation was not changed enough in the new labor agreement.  It's better, but not much.

I ate a Grand Slam @ Denny's yesterday... pooped out a 2 run double today.

by slurve on Feb 11, 2007 8:03 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

what they really need is
a system that ties draft-pick compensation to where the player was picked, like they have in the NBA. that would solve the problems of holdouts and failed signings and also this scott boras-style business of "don't even think about picking this kid unless you're willing to pony up $10M guaranteed." there would have to be some kinks worked out--for instance, differentiating between high school and college picks and whether you could offer a major-league contract--but this is what they need to do.

once they have something like that in place, there would be no reason not to allow trading of picks.

by jpahk on Feb 11, 2007 10:57 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

People already
don't draft in order of what they can take in the draft (i.e. the top rated players who drop because of financial concerns), so you might as well give those teams the opportunity to get SOME value out of having the high pick to begin with.  

by Brickhaus on Feb 11, 2007 11:48 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

If...
you're saying eliminate signablity problems by making a $ slot system, it's a utopian concept.  The MLBPA will never go for it.
I ate a Grand Slam @ Denny's yesterday... pooped out a 2 run double today.

by slurve on Feb 11, 2007 12:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

MLBPA
The MLBPA might be all for it. The Major League players tend to complain about the bonuses handed out in the draft, since that's basically money out of their pocket.

One thing that would be good is if players had to declare whether they were going pro or going to college.

by rwperu34 on Feb 11, 2007 12:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can't see it
Decreasing what a rookie can make would be taking money out of their members pockets, not the other way around.  Bonuses don't take anything away from current players.  Anyone that says otherwise is using creative accounting.
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by slurve on Feb 11, 2007 12:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no
big difference: the system would take money out of the pockets of people who are not yet MLBPA members. that can and will happen. they've already sold out any leverage draft picks might have in holding out by adding this ridiculous same-slot compensation pick in the next year's draft to the newest CBA. the MLBPA is just not that interested in protecting the interests of its future members.

by jpahk on Feb 11, 2007 1:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That makes no sense
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by slurve on Feb 11, 2007 2:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

eee...
not sure i could even call it utopian.  maybe i'm in the minority here, but i don't see anything wrong the draftees getting paid what the market will bear.  a slot money system is just the owners screwing players in the name of fairness.

by amos on Feb 11, 2007 1:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I dont think it will happen
I dont think slotting will happen because no group wants it entirely. The PA is probably the least worry since they dont really care about non members, but ownership in general doesnt want it. Big market teams have done real well for themselves by going over market to get solid players later in drafts. Sure it would help smalll market teams but it would also hurt the large market ones so I dont see the owners being able to come to a consensus on it.

by Kanst42 on Feb 11, 2007 2:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If they did that....
Curt Flood would turn over in his grave. Wait... is he even dead? Well, you know what I mean.

by Boxkutter on Feb 12, 2007 2:18 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

and
they should have a snaking draft.

by jpahk on Feb 12, 2007 10:50 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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