Mitchell Report - Thursday @ 2PM EST

by Galt on Dec 12, 2007 11:27 AM EST

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/12/sports/baseball/12mitchell.html?em&ex=1197608400&en=55cc34 ecc24a60f6&ei=5087%0A

Steroid Report Expected to Cite About 50 Players

"...What it contains will be officially revealed Thursday, when Mitchell holds a 2 p.m. news conference in Manhattan followed by a separate news conference by Commissioner Bud Selig to discuss the findings. But two people who are familiar with Mitchell's investigation, and his findings, said that the report would contain the names of more than 50 active and former major league players who are linked to the use of performance-enhancing drugs....

....Both said many of the names in the report are directly tied to information provided to Mitchell's investigators by Kirk Radomski, a former bat boy and clubhouse attendant for the Mets who pleaded guilty to steroid distribution in April.

In Radomski's plea agreement, he stated that he provided dozens of players with steroids, human growth hormone and stimulants from 1995 through 2005...."

"...The evidence that Mitchell will use to cite players is expected to be documentary in nature -- canceled checks, shipping slips, phone records -- and not based on positive drug tests...."

Feel free to speculate which all star players (since nobody cares about anyone else) that will be listed among the 50 or chide people who are speculating about it.

The key facts are that the source worked for the Mets and he was supplying between '95 and '05.

I think Piazza is a lock. I also bet that Arod will be mentioned.

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God

"Feel free to speculate which all star players (since nobody cares about anyone else) that will be listed among the 50 or chide people who are speculating about it"

Are we REALLY going to go through another one of these exercises?

Send your top 50-100 prospects to slurveone@yahoo.com!!!

by slurve on Dec 12, 2007 11:23 AM EST reply actions

yes

Just to get your panties in a twist. Everyone has 26 1/2 hours to get it out of their system until the names are released.

by Galt on Dec 12, 2007 11:26 AM EST up reply actions

I actually

like twisted panties...

Send your top 50-100 prospects to slurveone@yahoo.com!!!

by slurve on Dec 12, 2007 12:02 PM EST up reply actions

Not fair!

I woke up late. I only get 23 1/2 hours to make unfounded accusations with widespread finger pointing. I bet Rafael Palmeiro, Alex Sanchez, and Neifi Perez were all using though. I don't have any proof, but I just have a sneaking suspicion...

"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile

by Boxkutter on Dec 12, 2007 12:27 PM EST up reply actions

When

When are they going to do one of these investigations on football players??? Oh yeah, they don't have a steriod problem.

by eswanson55 on Dec 12, 2007 11:34 AM EST reply actions

The Rocket

I think Roger Clemens is going to be on the list.

by GuyinNY on Dec 12, 2007 11:34 AM EST reply actions

+1 on that

I hope clemens burns in "you know where"

by TexasHeat on Dec 12, 2007 12:05 PM EST up reply actions

+1

by Mike McBride on Dec 12, 2007 1:47 PM EST up reply actions

Albert Belle

I think he'll be on the list.

by OneHitWonder @ Minor League Ball on Dec 12, 2007 11:39 AM EST reply actions

Nah...

Canseco called him clean in "Juiced". Crazy, but clean. He also used Carl Everett as an example of the angry and insane, but not synthetic testosterone aided, rage machine.

by GuyinNY on Dec 12, 2007 11:43 AM EST up reply actions

Naming names

Juan Pierre
Esix Snead
Joey Gathright
Rich Garces
Tony Pena Jr.
Jamie Moyer
The San Diego Chicken
Don Zimmer
Ross Gload
George Steinbrenner
Paul DePodesta

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Dec 12, 2007 11:49 AM EST reply actions

LOL

Rich Garces.....first name that came to mind for me.

by GregJP on Dec 12, 2007 11:56 AM EST up reply actions

+1

I saw the chicken shooting up once WITH MY OWN EYES.

by mraver on Dec 12, 2007 11:57 AM EST up reply actions

You forgot

the Rally Monkey!!!

by count sutton on Dec 12, 2007 2:38 PM EST up reply actions

Nah

The Rally Monkey's on greenies though - there's no other way to stay that upbeat.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Dec 12, 2007 3:11 PM EST up reply actions

Gloadie

How dare you dis him! Gload is the man! :)

GLOAD WILL EXPLODE in 08!

by doublestix on Dec 12, 2007 5:24 PM EST up reply actions

My feelings on this whole issue/report

yawn

"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." - Calvin

by RVachon on Dec 12, 2007 11:51 AM EST reply actions

My guesses

I think the list will be somewhat Mets-centric, so here are my guesses on former Mets named:

Todd Hundley
Bernard Gilkey
Edgardo Alfonzo
Carlos Baerga
Manny Alexander
Roger Cedeno
Armando Benitez
Rey Ordonez
Mo Vaughn
Robert Alomar

This would squash Alomar's future HOF induction.

I think Piazza was clean, but if he's named, also bye bye HOF for him.

by samjjones on Dec 12, 2007 12:39 PM EST reply actions

Mo Vaughn?!

Not unless they slipped something into his cheeseburger...

"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." - Calvin

by RVachon on Dec 12, 2007 12:43 PM EST up reply actions

Ummm

You do realize the alleged "healing properties" of HGH and steroids, don't you? Mo was hurt A LOT during his time with the Mets. I think he's a lock.

by samjjones on Dec 12, 2007 12:44 PM EST up reply actions

actually...

just yesterday, Howard Bryant mentioned in an ESPN chat that Vaughn admitted to using pro-hGH, an oral form of the drug, in 1998.

by GuyinNY on Dec 12, 2007 12:45 PM EST up reply actions

Im worried

that two of my favorite Mets were on the Juice. So I hope that Howard Johnson and David Cone are clean. If I had to speculate, and thats all this, Id say that Jeff Bagwell, Brady Anderson, Brett Boone, Rich Aurilia and Benny Agbayani were all on the juice. Its gonna be a sad day for baseball

by tbach81 on Dec 12, 2007 1:06 PM EST up reply actions

I think half the league was on something

but i don't care anymore....people will do what it takes to keep up with everyone else

if i had a name that i think will surprise people in KC....

Mike sweeney

a name of an ex Royal: Mark Quinn

Frank Tanana is my all time favorite player and he was a member of VTTigers beloved team....my tribute to VTTigers

by gashousegang on Dec 12, 2007 12:45 PM EST reply actions

Mike Sweeney

Wouldn't surprise me at all. I think people should be thinking more about chronically injured guys/guys who needed to quickly rehab, rather than the "well, this guy got jacked up and hit 50 homers the next season". Although Brady Anderson should definitely be in the report.

by samjjones on Dec 12, 2007 12:47 PM EST up reply actions

Let's keep something in mind

Galt's second-to-last sentence was a bit misleading. Radomski worked for the Mets until 1995--not from 1995 to 2005, the period during which he admitted to distributing steroids. So while the list may very well be Mets-centric, I wouldn't be quick to throw those late '90s-early '00s Mets into the mix. Hundley is a terrific suspect, in my opinion.

David Segui is another great example of an ex-Met who got to know Radomski when both were Mets employees.

by jasondg on Dec 12, 2007 1:43 PM EST reply actions

BOONE

I'll bet Bret Boone is on the list, those huge years in Seattle are quite suspicious...

by Mike McBride on Dec 12, 2007 1:47 PM EST reply actions

Brady Anderson

50 homers doesn't come out of nowhere lol

Marcello on Tim Lincecum's 2008: "Yeah, he only pitched 180 innings last year, who knows if he can handle 200?!?!??"

by realityconquest on Dec 12, 2007 1:57 PM EST reply actions

and his work out buddy

ex utility infielder Rene Gonzalez....i used to see that guy in LA----he was all sorts of ripped....

Frank Tanana is my all time favorite player and he was a member of VTTigers beloved team....my tribute to VTTigers

by gashousegang on Dec 12, 2007 2:51 PM EST up reply actions

No one accuses...

Luis Gonzalez of roids! NO ONE!!!!

"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile

by Boxkutter on Dec 12, 2007 3:19 PM EST up reply actions

List

My buddy and I are bored at work today. We are have a "draft" going back and forth with names we expect to see on the list. We are on round 20.

by bl on Dec 12, 2007 2:11 PM EST reply actions

Please post the list

I enjoy reading speculation on this topic.

I am sticking with Rey Ordonez as the "most unlikely" player fingered in this report.

by samjjones on Dec 12, 2007 2:24 PM EST up reply actions

+1

That would be a fun read.... especially if you broke it down. "I took Agbayani here. It may be a bit of an overdraft, but I felt he was a big-time sleeper in the roids era."

"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile

by Boxkutter on Dec 12, 2007 3:18 PM EST up reply actions

If you really want it.

Here it is. I will list it by round, I picked second each round. I apologize in advance for insulting anyone by taking their favorite player or players from their favorite team. I am a diehard A's fan with a tat on my shoulder to prove it but I had no problem selecting A's/former A's.

1-Mark McGwire, Barry Bonds*
2- Rafael Palmeiro, Jose Canseco
3- Sammy Sosa, Juan Gonzalez
4- Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi
5- Gary Sheffield, Rich Aurilia
6- Ivan Rodriguez, Luis Gonzalez
7- Miguel Tejada, David Segui
8- Brady Anderson, Jeff Bagwell
9- Bret Boone, Eric Chavez
10- Brian Giles, Marcus Giles
11- Bob Abreu, Scott Rolen
12- Jim Edmonds, Frank Menechino
13- Ron Gant, Jose Guillen
14- Bill Mueller, Ramon Hernandez
15- Billy Koch, Roger Clemens
16- Andruw Jones, Jim Thome
17- Edgar Martinez, Ken Caminiti
18- Jason Kendall, Geronimo Berroa
19- Rickey Henderson, Jason Grimsley
20- Paul Byrd, Matt Williams
21- Tim Salmon, Rick Ankiel
22- Javy Lopez, Todd Hundley
23- Mike Cameron, Mike Piazza
24- Jermaine Dye, Carlos Baerga
25- Ken Griffey Jr, A-Rod
26- Bobby Jenks, Mike Sweeney
27- Darren Daulton, Mark Sweeney
28- Aubrey Huff, Howard Johnson
29- Rod Beck, Garrett Anderson
30- Gabe Kapler, Johnny Damon

I will break down in another reply.

by bl on Dec 12, 2007 6:54 PM EST up reply actions

Some breakdown.

At first I was upset I let Sosa slip to the third round. I am a little worried Canseco will not be listed because he already admitted guilt. Looking back I should have let him waste the early pick on him.

When he took Jason Giambi I had to keep it in the family, ditto with Brian Giles. I figured he would do the same with Sweeney(who I was planning on taking before this thread,) but he didn't.

I went in knowing the Mets trainer thing and was planning on taking Hojo, ome other names I took from the list above, thanks for the help.

When he went with Koch I decided to follow suit with a pitcher myself. I would love nothing more than to see Schilling and Clemens on there.

I tried to avoid Brewers and Red Sox because of Selig's connections to Milwaukee and more importantly due to Mitchell's Red Sox ties.

When he took Griffey I was more than happy to take A-Rod, wow was that round loaded with talent.

My buddy said if he ends up in the report then Frank Menechino is the best pick of the draft.

Of the guys he took I think Mueller, Andruw, Edgar, Rickey Henderson, Mike Cameron, Bobby Jenks and Rod Beck are long shots to be in the report and I would not have taken any of them myself.

We were going to go 25 rounds but we were on a roll and having fun so we went to 30. If we went further I would have taken a serious look at Ray Lankford.

(This entire post is meant as a joke, there is some truth in what I say, but I say these things very lightly.)

I would love to hear what others think of the draft and our "teams."

by bl on Dec 12, 2007 7:07 PM EST up reply actions

Caminiti

STEAL in Round 17... didn't he announce his usage?

RIP

Joba the.... PWN3D!

by ufoboy90 on Dec 12, 2007 7:54 PM EST up reply actions

Griffey....

I think he is the only one on the list that I really don't think belongs and has no chance of being on the Mitchell Report. I just don't think he juiced (wouldn't be surprised if he took greenies though cause I think over 80% of MLB players used them).

Not sure about Edgar and Rickey Henderson either, but I can definitely see the reasoning. I think Caminiti should have gone higher in the draft, but I could see why he dropping (The Canseco Conundrum that you mentioned).

The A-Rod one I think would be an even bigger deal than Bonds if he is on the list. As a baseball fan, I hope his name stays clean. He's a bit of sunlight at the end of the tunnel. Instead of focusing my hate at Bonds, I try to turn that energy into momentum for A-Rod to break every HR record Bonds has, to scrub them free of their taint (did I just say scrubbing taint? LMAO)....

Anyways, great idea, I bet it was a lot of fun, thanks for posting it. Ignore what other grouchy old men say about it, we're all just having fun.

"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile

by Boxkutter on Dec 12, 2007 7:59 PM EST up reply actions

Thanks Boxcutter

It started as a joke but ended up being pretty fun. It made the work day go much quicker too.

by bl on Dec 12, 2007 9:21 PM EST up reply actions

how on earth...

....is Bobby Estelella still an undrafted free agent?

with Canseco off the boards, he might have been my number-one draft pick

by bleedjaxblue on Dec 12, 2007 8:15 PM EST up reply actions

Estalella

by bleedjaxblue on Dec 12, 2007 8:16 PM EST up reply actions

waaaah

NOBODY HAVE ANY FUN!

by Galt on Dec 12, 2007 8:19 PM EST up reply actions

it would appear that way

he is playing with you now, isn't he?

by bleedjaxblue on Dec 12, 2007 8:33 PM EST up reply actions

and this is you...

...trying to be polite?

actually, i was just pointing out what you were being in the equation -- something to be toyed with, and incapable of doing much on your own besides lie in the same damn spot.

by bleedjaxblue on Dec 12, 2007 9:13 PM EST up reply actions

do you get carpal tunnel

from wringing your hands in misery so much?

I'll never understand why people feel so compelled to speak out against other posters threads?

Nanny state of the country I guess. If you don't like it; avoid it.

by Galt on Dec 12, 2007 9:47 PM EST up reply actions

Hey all

check the spelling on "this" Crimson..... even he can't be this rude..... our loser friend has returned....

by bluechipper on Dec 12, 2007 9:59 PM EST up reply actions

Nice catch

Fooled me.

by bl on Dec 12, 2007 10:03 PM EST up reply actions

Serious discussion on the report

Does anyone think it will actually change anything? Different testing procedures, penalty reccomendations, etc? If not, then while the names are juicy, the report will be pretty useless. I would like to see the report be more of a narrative about the Steroid Era than finger pointing certain players, executives, or dealers. State facts, draw learnings/conclusions, and make reccomendation.

Drugs have been around for a long time. There are hundreds of players in MLB at one time so a list of less than 100 players, is pretty pointless. The report, which was designed to shed some light and provide closure during the Steroid Era, will only feed the media with more ideas for speculation and call out how it unfairly it singles out certain players. The subject matter may change, but the media story will be the same. "We're all to blame. blah, blah, blah."

by count sutton on Dec 12, 2007 2:45 PM EST reply actions

Red Sox

Who is going to be the sacrificial lamb for the Red Sox? There is no way Mitchell exposes anyone of significance on that team.

by bob420 on Dec 12, 2007 4:42 PM EST reply actions

Names

There are definitely some guys whose names I want to see on the list. Darin Erstad, Troy Percival, Roger Clemens, AJ Pierzynski, guys like that.

If 1 or 2 of those guys get outed in the Mitchell Report, I'd be most pleased.

by Yakker on Dec 12, 2007 7:32 PM EST reply actions

Brian Roberts

With Tejada traded today, I'm surprised Roberts wasn't as well. A Toronto reporter with connections has heard some rumors.

by GregJP on Dec 12, 2007 8:51 PM EST reply actions

Tejada/Roberts

Do you think the Tejada trade has anything to do with what may come out tomorrow?

My buddy who lives in Baltimore heard the Cubs are "very close" to trading Sean Marshall and a minor leaguer (he's not as familiar as most on this board about prospects, he could not remember the name) for Roberts. Are the O's trying to distance themselves from the report?

by bl on Dec 12, 2007 9:20 PM EST up reply actions

My list...

And here's a stab at a list that a few friends and I all agreed on, and so that's the standard. Recalled from memory, and they're all public figures anyway.

Vlad, tejada, giambi, pudge, juan gone, mo vaughn, frank thomas, canseco, bagwell, biggio, brosius, piazza, kevin brown, eric chavez, buhner,puckett, fisk, ryan, reggie, rivera, a-rod, ortiz, and obvi, Bonds.

Oh, and the Rocket IS ON THERE.

by GuyinNY on Dec 13, 2007 12:21 AM EST reply actions

I think

the only name that would really hurt MLB would be if ARod was in it. He is supposed to be their guy that will break all the records Bonds has, but if he would be on there they will have to just go threw what they went threw with Bonds all over again.

Please don't let ARod or Griffey be on it.

by nyy601 on Dec 13, 2007 1:47 AM EST reply actions

Way too much hype

On the comment that MVPs and All Stars will be in the report:

Jason Giambi, Jose Canseco, Ken Caminiti, Barry Bonds and maybe Sammy Sosa - 3 MVPs who all ready confessed to knowingly using, 1 who confessed to unknowingly using (and accused in essence of knowingly using) and 1 who was named in a book and brought before congress.

And All-Stars should be even easier

by SLK on Dec 13, 2007 9:19 AM EST reply actions

that said

CNN is now citing ESPN2 that Clemens is named in the report.

So maybe this is big.

by SLK on Dec 13, 2007 10:19 AM EST up reply actions

The List

Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Bar
ry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton B
radley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil
Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozz
ie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenn
y Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Fr
anklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Jua
n Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy
Giambi,Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offe
rman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, A
lbert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rod
riguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez
, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez,Fernando Tatis,
Maurice Vaughn, IJason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and
Kerry Wood."

by smk1363 on Dec 13, 2007 11:12 AM EST reply actions

Ugh

I've seen this list with the same typos in about 5 different places. The typos lead me to believe that someone made it up, and somehow it's spread under the guise of being real.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Dec 13, 2007 11:47 AM EST up reply actions