BA Milwaukee Top 10 (leaked)

by abbreviatedman on Nov 25, 2007 1:46 PM EST Comment 25 comments

Found this online at http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=689389

Apparently, it was released a coupla days early by one of the guy's who helped with it. Anyway, here it is:

Matt LaPorta, OF
Manny Parra, LHP
Alcides Escobar, SS
Jeremy Jeffress, RHP
Matt Gamel, 3B
Cole Gillespie, OF
Brent Brewer, SS
Angel Salome, C
Lorenzo Cain, OF
Caleb Gindl, OF

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not a chance this is correct.

there is one very glaring omission, plus jeffress has no business in the top 5, as he will miss the entire 2008 season for a drug violation.

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by overlord on Nov 25, 2007 1:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

multiple drug violations, i should say

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by overlord on Nov 25, 2007 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I do not believe that Jeffress is out for the entire 2008 season. As I understand it, the second positive test was a TEAM test, not a LEAGUE test. Because it was a team test, the Brewers can handle it any way they choose without the league getting involved.

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by andy 5 on Nov 25, 2007 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

luis pena

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by overlord on Nov 25, 2007 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

a 25 year old reliever

who hasnt pitched above AA? I'd want to see more than 1 K per IP for a reliever. Meloan is an excellent relief prospect, this guy is a decent arm who needs to be tried out at a ML level.

by benzalman on Nov 25, 2007 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

age isn't important. level isn't important.

performance is. stuff is.

search for manuel corpas on this blog. sickels has only posted 1 article containing his name, and that was to rate him as a C+ prospect, 16th best in the rockies system going into 2007. BA also had him in that range.

this year, corpas broke out and became a top setup man. next year, he'll emerge as a top closer.

next year, luis pena will be in that same class.

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by overlord on Nov 25, 2007 6:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

read my blog for about 30 seconds

i like to name drop.

and if you really think i pulled luis pena out of my ass, take a look here.

pena is damn good, and if he's healthy all year, he;ll find himself in a very important position for the brewers in '08.

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by overlord on Nov 25, 2007 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

oh hey

you're the variables don't constants aren't guy? i never noticed. i found that during some independent googling. are you ever gonna update again? c'mon. that royals article is so over.

but i don't see how "luis pena" is a "glaring omission". certainly it's possible that he's as good as you say and deserves to be on the list, but to propose him as some kind of proof that the leaked list is bogus because of course he'd be on there doesn't add up. you yourself say BA missed on corpas along with everybody else. relief prospects rarely get ranked. it's perfectly plausible that he's not on there.

actually it does seem like there are more relievers making top 10 lists this year, but that may just be because it's a down year for all of the other kinds of prospects. like the mets pretty much don't have anything else to rank after their top 4.

by wily mo on Nov 25, 2007 8:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

aaand...

it was right.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/features/265240.html

by wily mo on Nov 26, 2007 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

what can i say?

it'd be nice if BA would learn from their mistakes, but apparently that is too much to ask for.

either way, luis pena is going to be a hell of a reliever.

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by overlord on Nov 26, 2007 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah.

I think he's a dime a dozen relief prospect. I'd like to see more K's before paying attention to him. How is he different than a Danny Ray Herrera? Nice little piece, thats all.

by benzalman on Nov 26, 2007 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

well

you could say that it was a little weird of you to act like this couldn't possibly be the right list because of a missing relief prospect when you know that BA almost always downgrades relief prospects. i'm not trying to be a dick here, i'm just saying.

by wily mo on Nov 26, 2007 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Why do you think Jeffress will miss 2008?

He did not fail an MiLB test and is therefore not subject to their penalties under the CBA. I don't know how these rumors got started but people really need to check their sources before blurting out these things. Care to share your insight?

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by kschellenger on Nov 25, 2007 8:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

IIRC

BA said that Jeffress would miss 2 months of 2008 finishing up his previous suspension. Let us assume that the Brewers will suspend him for an additional 50 games - why do internal testing and leak the results if you are not going to discipline the guys and how can the punishment for the 4th failed test be less than that for the 3rd? So, we are up to 4 months. I am not sure it would be wise to just throw this guy into full season ball after such a long layoff. Therefore, while he may indeed pitch in 2008, I would guess that it will be in instructional or short season ball. This will not be considered any sort of development time and therefore Jeffress will miss the entire 2008 season, QED.

by cooper7d7 on Nov 26, 2007 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

RE

That's a lot of baseless assumptions for a QED. I'd check the term next time. ;)

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by kschellenger on Nov 26, 2007 7:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Always, no, never forget to state your references

At least I stated my assumptions ;>

However, I think they are semi-solid.

by cooper7d7 on Nov 27, 2007 9:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Likely Is

Hardicourt writes the Brewers Top 10 for BA.

Fake Teams

by ephinz on Nov 26, 2007 9:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Manny Parra

is awesome, but can he stay healthy?

Who's this Escobar kid? Is he a defensive wiz? He seems to have no power, but pretty good speed.

Should be fun to see how LaPorta develops as an outfielder. He sure can rake.

by mcq fesijiba on Nov 25, 2007 2:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Wow!

If that's for real, that system really sucks. I guess the recent graduations are a mitigating factor but wow!

by DrBGiantsfan on Nov 25, 2007 2:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

harsh

Not sure if I would go nearly as far to say this system "sucks", but yeah, graduations have hurt it. Remember, BA's lists are purely on superstar potential and not, dare I say, "reality".

I think when John does the Crew's Top 20, you'll see it isn't as bad as you might think. While there may no longer be any Fielders, Gallardos or Weeks' after LaPorta, there are about 15 guys after him that all fall into the B/B-/C+ category (in my opinion, of course). This system is still fairly strong - let's say middle of the road.

by mjwelch11 on Nov 25, 2007 11:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs