dukes on the nationals radar?

by krgrecw on Nov 22, 2007 9:09 PM EST Comment 13 comments

I'm not one for rumors. This is more of a elijah dukes needs a new home and the nationals need him or frankly any outfielder who can hit. Dukes is playing well in the Dominican Summer League and the Tampa Bay Devil Rays have no room for him. Does anyone think Dukes has a chance if he goes to the Nationals?

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071121&content_id=2306541&vkey=news_was&fext=. jsp&c_id=was&partnered=rss_was

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Dukes

His talent has never been a question, his ability to make the right decisions off the field has. Perhaps a change of environment will help with the demons.

by jparks77 on Nov 22, 2007 9:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

...because the "correctional facilities"

....have such an outstanding record at rehabilitating social offenders. (sarcasm)

by bleedjaxblue on Nov 22, 2007 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

I wonder how many people commenting on his demons have been brought up in the inner city? Where the life expectancy is quite low. Where cops fear to tread and it's a different world. Where racism runs rampant and selling drugs etc. is an acceptable way of life.

This isn't to excuse he's an asshole. But all these high-horse comments from people that haven't walked an inch in his shoes drive me crazy.

I've lived a short period of my life in the inner city in a terrible neighbourhood. It was a turning point in my life in seeing the other side of things.

by pedrophile on Nov 23, 2007 12:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

assault?

when did he assault a woman?

And growing up in the area isn't necessarily the same as having a drug dealing father killed by the police. Or whatever his story was.

Oh, and a simple but relevant question. Are you white? Because I am and being in a really tough neighbourhood wasn't the same for me. While I was there I also realized that it was totally different. I was treated with great respect by the police and the black populace. The reverse can't be said for the black people living in the area I was in. Growing up in the area isn't the same as living it.

Like I said, I gained appreciation and saw things differently. But by no means can I say I experienced what they did.

by pedrophile on Nov 23, 2007 12:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

zorro

first of all I asked your colour because many white feel they "lived" the experience when they didn't. I think you understand what I mean.

And I agree that many people take the easy way out. Dukes is indeed doing that. I do feel part of it is because he had a really messed up life. Not just the neighbourhood. I do agree that his behaviour with women has been poor, at best, and I'm not advocating it.

I will say though that the people that fight to succeed without taking the easy way are not the average person. Many/most would take the easy way. It's just that most of us have never been challenged with that choice. That is what bothers me. So many people have it good and then say they would never do such and such. My comment wasn't on you particularly as I knew nothing about where you came from or what you went through.

btw - we're just discussing this. Neither of us know where the other comes from so a little background helps. I'm not asking to accuse or anything.

by pedrophile on Nov 23, 2007 12:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

thanks!

And I realize you were not being sarcastic. But on topics like this I would rather be a little too careful and state where I'm coming from.

btw - where did you grow up? I spent quite a bit of time in north Philly. That's a tough area. Knew some people growing up in South Central LA and that's even more so.

I try to appreciate I didn't have it so bad as so many others. I've been in areas that made the worst areas in North America look tame. Seriously. It puts things in perspective.

by pedrophile on Nov 23, 2007 2:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Assault

Just a minor point for the edification of everyone reading. Assault is a verbal attack. Battery is physical. Many people hear assault and think someone has been beaten up, but that's not the legal definition of the term.

God rested one day out of 7, Felix rests 4 out of 5.

by CrimsonLiederhosen on Nov 23, 2007 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Definition of assault

Assault is generally defined as "placing another individual in imminent fear of bodily harm."

Therefore, it assault is not limited to words. Point a gun at someone else, or raising a baseball bat in there direction would also be an assault.

by phantom on Nov 23, 2007 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He is speaking of the legal term

If you are charged with assault you probably dint hit the person. Wikipedia defines assault as "assault refers only to the threat of violence caused by an immediate show of force". If you were to strike them then its Assault and Battery

by Kanst42 on Nov 23, 2007 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I understand that

I realize he is talking about the "legal term." However, he misstated the law.

My point was that assault is not limited to "verbal attacks," contrary to what the other poster stated. Assault is defined as placing another individual in fear of imminent bodily harm through ANY means (i.e. including non-verbal means such as pointing a weapon at them).

If there is a physical touching that is the battery.

Anyways, this probably isn't worth knit-picking over. But the other post started with the phrase "a point of edification" and then went on to provide false information which rubbed me the wrong way.

by phantom on Nov 24, 2007 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Wrong (again)

Hey Phantom, I am not quite sure why you go around trying to correct everyone on legal definitions and I really do not care. But you are wrong- again.

To correct your post, assault by your definition is not relevant. The definition of assault depends on the jurisdiction imposing the law. For instance, in my state assault can include causing physical injury, even attempted murder with serious bodily injury.

Maybe Black's Law Dictionary ran you astray? But people who actually practice law realize that different jurisdictions have different definitions for words, such as assault. And specific definitions are extremely important. Your definition of assault is not only not relevant but actually pretty ignorant. Especially for someone who goes around trying to correct people on "the" law.

by acr on Nov 25, 2007 6:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Well

It can't make things any worse for him...

God rested one day out of 7, Felix rests 4 out of 5.

by CrimsonLiederhosen on Nov 22, 2007 10:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I hope he does get out of Tampa...

I think a change of scenery is the last hope I have for him turning it around. He's still young, has everything one needs to be a star, maybe a fresh start is just what he needs.

by beastball on Nov 23, 2007 10:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs