Barry Bonds Indicted For Perjury, Obstruction
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by T for Jose Tabatha on Nov 15, 2007 5:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Knowing MLB
by goalieguy on Nov 15, 2007 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
YEEEESSSSS!!!!
by slurve on Nov 15, 2007 5:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sad State of Affairs
by HuskerBob on Nov 15, 2007 5:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It is sad
by slurve on Nov 15, 2007 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
very sad.
by Metty5 on Nov 15, 2007 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Should that read
by slurve on Nov 15, 2007 5:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
Maybe his stats are tainted but imo the era is tainted. Since 1994.
by Metty5 on Nov 15, 2007 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa!
I agree the era is tainted, but this needed to happen. Bonds HAS to go down.
by slurve on Nov 15, 2007 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea he did
Maybe that means that HGH doesn't effect you as much as people think. Maybe it helps hitters more than pitches, I think thats true, but the era is tainted.
Bonds, even with all this jazz is a top 5 all around player all time. His career is legendary and lets not throw all these PED problems on him. it was everyone. My pessimism meter grows everyday with this stuff. We are living in an innocent until proven guilty system, but society has already found everyone guilty. As far as I'm concerned until the Mitchell report Jeter, Wright, Papi, Holliday and everyone else are guilty too.
Its just sad my thought pattern has gotten to that point.
by Metty5 on Nov 15, 2007 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure
by Yakker on Nov 15, 2007 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that the gist
by slurve on Nov 15, 2007 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Just read the indictment (which, BTW, makes it sound an awful lot like Anderson has finally flipped).
So, in order to convict, the government would presumably first need to prove that he knowingly took steroids from Anderson.
by Yakker on Nov 15, 2007 6:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Coincidentally
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Nov 16, 2007 1:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And there was much rejoicing
by AucklandGM on Nov 15, 2007 5:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
it was as obvious as k-fed's retirement plan
by daveh33 on Nov 15, 2007 6:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Amazing
by Metty5 on Nov 15, 2007 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I have to say but we have to root for A-Rod
by Bravesin07 on Nov 15, 2007 6:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
by slurve on Nov 15, 2007 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A little trip
What do all of the Bonds apologists have to say now?
http://www.minorleagueball.com/story/2007/8/8/19132/17335
by slurve on Nov 15, 2007 6:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
bonds apologists
by jpahk on Nov 15, 2007 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and perhaps by "they"
by jpahk on Nov 15, 2007 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Change
by slurve on Nov 16, 2007 6:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i know
by jpahk on Nov 16, 2007 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
by slurve on Nov 16, 2007 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pete
What Pete did was not legal (betting while not in Nevada or Atlantic City at the time). It was also specifically prohibitted by major league baseball existing rules at the time he acted (the key fact he is not in the Hall, not the illegal part).
What Barry did was illegal (if steroids) as it was an illegal substance if not taken using a perscription. However, it was not specifically prohibitted by major league baseball at the time. This is why Rafael Palmeiro probably won't get in, he did it after it was specifically prohibitted. I think Barry still gets in, even if he is convicted.
All that being said, I kind of hope Barry will not get in to the Hall. I think his entire career is tainted if he is found guilty. He might have reached 500(probably). But are there around 250 questionable home runs? You could pretty easily look at the stats and say yes. Sure he could have hit them anyway, but that's the crux of the question. Was he great early in his career. Yep. So were a lot of other people that are not in the Hall due to injury plagued/shortened careers.
And I am not saying Pete should not be in the Hall of Fame. I am actually undecided now. Used to think he should be in based on his performance on the field. More and more I am turning to, "You know what, why reward people that are being bastards off the field?" Future bastards should know that the possibility they don't get accolades DOES ride on the fact your a bastard. Maybe then we would have fewer bastards in sport. Or at least out of the closet ones. If you want to be an in the closet bastard, ok with me, just don't parade it. Maybe more teams will let those kinds of guys just drift off to become drug dealers or the dregs of society who eventually get what's coming to them because they know 'fans' don't really care about only the 'best' athletes playing for their team.
No offense meant to people that were born out of wedlock as the term bastard here is meant to imply a person that does not act in a manner generally moral and nice as compared to the rest of civilized society (is that politically correct for you knee-jerkers?). Most times I have ever used that term in a couple of paragraphs, that felt kind of fun.
by roaddog on Nov 15, 2007 6:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bonds before steroids
I think his entire career is tainted if he is found guilty. He might have reached 500(probably). But are there around 250 questionable home runs? You could pretty easily look at the stats and say yes. Sure he could have hit them anyway, but that's the crux of the question. Was he great early in his career. Yep. So were a lot of other people that are not in the Hall due to injury plagued/shortened careers.This is just way off. If Bonds had retired after 1999, his stats would be:
14 seasons played, .288 BA, .409 OBP, .559 SLG, 445 HR, 460 SB
Three MVPs, eight Gold Gloves, eight-time All-Star
That is absolutely more than sufficient for the HOF. It would still be one of the greatest careers of all time.
by Mean Dean on Nov 15, 2007 7:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bonds is going to boycott the hall anyways
by Bravesin07 on Nov 15, 2007 6:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Looks like
by slurve on Nov 16, 2007 6:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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It will read something lame like * In 2008 Bonds was convicted of doing what everyone in MLB had been doing for quite awhile.
Bond's crime... he perfected the use of performance enhancing drugs. He was so vastly superior to all the other dirty drug users that it embarassed all of baseball.
What's really amazing is that Barry was one of the best players in Baseball when everyone else was dirty. A Dirty Barry was the best player of all time and it wasn't particulary close.
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He's still undoubtedly a HOF player and still one of the top 10 Players of all time.
All this coming from a Rockies fan. I've got a lot of respect for the player known as Barry Bonds. Our whole team was hopped up on roids in the 90's. Everyone's teams were.
One final thought. Nobody in this country is free to lie except for Presidents and powerful people in positions of unbelieveable power.
by RMF on Nov 15, 2007 9:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
did anybody else read the linked article?
where the hell was paul elias of the associated press this season? living with his head under a rock, in a cave, on mars? somebody should let him know that bonds actually did pass aaron's career mark. or was that whole paragraph copy & pasted from an article a year old?
by jpahk on Nov 15, 2007 10:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I love
by slurve on Nov 16, 2007 6:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs











