Holy frick, this is a joke. Elias is bad.
Rotoworld:
Carlos Silva, who could command north of $32 million for four years as a free agent this winter, won't net the Twins any compensation under the newly unveiled Elias rankings.
Both Kyle Lohse and Carlos Silva were league average starters this year, but their respective teams won't get a pick in return for their departures. And get this- the Cards could get a supplemental 1st round pick if Percival leaves since he is somehow a class B FA (according to Rotoworld), even though he's pitched only 65 innings in the last 3 years combined. And somehow A-Rod is below Mike Lowell and Robinson Cano on the list of infielders?? WTF? Apparently they still use RBI as one of the measures for hitters, fielding percentage and total chances (?) for fielders, and wins and W-L% for starters? What is this, the fricken dark ages? We have better stats than this to show us how good players have been, even ones that are in the mainstream (for all you VORP and WARP haters). Why are they still using such ridiculous methods for one of the most important offseason events? Even if they are currently using the stats and measures they say they do, I swear that some of the ratings are just so whacked that sometimes I think the Elias people just draw names out of a hat or something...
What are the Elias people smoking when they do these rankings? MLB needs to get a new system, because Elias is a joke.
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agreed
by FishHead on Oct 31, 2007 9:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and the opposite
by doublestix on Oct 31, 2007 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really Odd
by Bowser on Nov 1, 2007 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
I kinda understand why they use RBIs and wins and statistics of that nature. MLB is trying to compensate teams based on the value of the player to the team that is losing him. But even if you disagree with that concept, this system is a joke.
by kaisertown on Oct 31, 2007 9:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Still unfair
Even if that's the case, they are giving an unfair advantage to the better teams just because they had more guys on base to drive in, or their pitchers had more run support and tallied more wins.
by Stephcaflowne on Oct 31, 2007 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I totally agree
by kaisertown on Oct 31, 2007 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It
by FrozenTed9 on Oct 31, 2007 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I've seen worse players rated as A's though...
by AucklandGM on Oct 31, 2007 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think its only the last 2 years
"2006-2007 Final Rankings "
And they extrapolate for time missed due to injury.
by VladiHondo on Nov 1, 2007 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks a lot Andruw for sucking
by Bravesin07 on Oct 31, 2007 10:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
B?
by Stephcaflowne on Oct 31, 2007 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ABC
by elricsi on Oct 31, 2007 11:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But A-rod? Percival?
And it's not too hard to be a rated FA apparently. Percival took a whole season off and pitched sparingly in the two others and still managed a type B rating...
by AucklandGM on Oct 31, 2007 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joba
by doublestix on Oct 31, 2007 11:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One reason it's so stupid is...
This means a couple of things. Primarily, it means we'll be stuck with the current system for a while. Secondarily, it means that even when it is up for review, I kinda doubt it'll be a high priority unless like EVERYTHING else is peachy. Actually, now (while MLB is flush with cash and experiencing record attendance) would be a great time for the CBA to come up for re-negotiation, since presumably they could focus on important-but-not-really-money-related stuff like this.
by mraver on Oct 31, 2007 11:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Elias and the ranking
I'm not sure what it would take to change it, but I hope rankings like this would do it.
One thing he mentioned is that the only defensive metric used is fielding percentage, and that's it's weighed pretty heavily (more than one would think intuitively), so arod's 93.5% fielding percentage last year could really hurt him vs Lowell....
by Jgaztambide on Nov 1, 2007 12:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
But c'mon. A-rod behind Lowell and Cano? Percival a B type FA after his last 3 seasons? That's just stupid.
by AucklandGM on Nov 1, 2007 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing new
by JFP on Nov 1, 2007 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
where
What exact stats do they use?
by Shamus on Nov 2, 2007 7:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not published
by Kanst42 on Nov 2, 2007 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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