Prospect Retro: Matt Holliday
Prospect Retro: Matt Holliday
Here is one guy I was really wrong about.
Matt Holliday was drafted in the seventh round in 1998, from high school in Oklahoma. A top high school quarterback, he had to be lured away from college football at Oklahoma State. He hit .342/.413/.521 in 32 games in the Arizona Rookie League in 1998. He was a third baseman at the time due to his arm strength. I didn't rate rookie-level players back then, but given his athleticism and hitting performance I'd have probably given him a Grade C+ with a "higher potential" rating.
Holliday moved up to Asheville in the Sally League in 1999 and hit .264/.350/.435 with 16 homers. His defense at third base was shaky, and while his OPS came out above average at +11 percent, he had work to do with the strike zone. I gave him a Grade C+ in the 2000 book, noting that he had potential but that it would take him some time to develop.
The Rockies promoted Holliday to the Carolina League in 2000. He hit .274/.335/.389, cutting his strikeouts sharply but losing most of his power in the process, hitting just seven homers. His defense at third base was downright awful, as he fielded below .900 on the season. I downgraded him to Grade C, noting that the numbers were mediocre but that he still had a good birthday.
Holliday rebounded in 2001 statistically, hitting .275/.358/.482 and getting his power stroke back. But he was limited to 72 games by injuries, and spent most of the year as a DH. I remained intrigued with his youth, but not particularly wild about the numbers, the defense, and the injuries, and gave him another Grade C. At this point, I saw him as a low-batting average slugger who would have problems finding a position.
Colorado moved Holliday up to Double-A in 2002 and once again his power disappeared, his SLG down to .391. He hit .276 with a .375 OBP, but the lack of power was disappointing. I noted that Hollliday ran well for a big guy, had a strong arm, could steal a few bases, but that "he's just never hit that well, being consistently fair at each level." I gave him another Grade C, and at that point I was thinking that he'd end up as a not-very-exiting role player.
Holliday repeated Double-A in 2003, although the Rockies moved their affiliate to Tulsa in the Texas League. He hit .253/.313/.395, and in the games I saw him play he was less than impressive. His swing looked awkward and choppy to me, and for a guy repeating Double-A at age 23 his production was very weak. I wrote that "Scouts still like Holliday" due to his tools, but that unless he took a big step forward in 2004 that I didn't think he ever would live up to the physical potential. The production just wasn't there, and when I saw him in person he looked very much like a football player trying to play baseball. Another Grade C.
Holliday took that step forward in 2004, playing 121 games for the Rockies and hitting .290/.349/.488, granted Coors Field helped him. But his last two seasons have been excellent, and he's got a shot at MVP this season.
This year, he hit .376/.435/.722 at home, but "just" .301/.374/.485 on the road. . .in other words, he's a really good player, but there is something of the old Dante Bichette effect here in that the home numbers juice the raw stats. But still, even at the .301/.374/.485 level, he is a lot better than I thought he would be. There is no way I'd ever have seen him as a .300 hitter at the major league level. The minor league numbers didn't support it, and when I saw him in person he didn't show a swing or the type of consistency that would indicate he could do that. But he did, and he has, and he's going to do it again, and he will possibly end up with an MVP trophy to show for it. So all hail Matt Holliday, and the scouts and coaches who saw in him what I did not.
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Hard Work + Colorado + Late Bloomer
by RedHopeful on Oct 2, 2007 1:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ian Stewart?
by grozzy on Oct 2, 2007 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess . . .
Unfortunately for us Giants fans, the odds of Ortmeier becoming the next Holliday are slim to none.
by Anticon23 on Oct 3, 2007 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Humility
That being said, I don't think he touched the plate, but a gnarly faceplant like that's gotta count for something.
by Azantor on Oct 2, 2007 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
who'd a thought...
by Mark carry on on Oct 2, 2007 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Body
by elricsi on Oct 2, 2007 2:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
by FRANCHISEv2 on Oct 2, 2007 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Classic 2-Sport Athlete
I'm guessing you'll find that a lot of the 2-sport football players that develop end up being very similar. Scouts are high on them......stat guys don't see the production. They end up being late-bloomers (or totally busting).
I think the biggest surprise is the fact that he only has an average throwing arm in the OF. He was out at the practice field with a bunch of Bronco players a few weeks back (along with Todd Helton) and Helton/Holliday were running through the QB drills. Reports were that Holliday was firing bullets all across the field.
On a side note.....the Rockies are stockpiling QBs. Other than Helton and Holliday, Seth Smith (who hit the big triple last night) was Eli Manning's backup QB at Ole Miss.
by sg8335aa on Oct 2, 2007 2:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
too bad Vick didn't sign
by bleedjaxblue on Oct 2, 2007 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Brohm
by sg8335aa on Oct 2, 2007 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or x 2
by FlipYrWhig on Oct 2, 2007 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool!
It's good to see you looking at cases at which you're wrong because you're very much respected around the blogging world!
by achengy on Oct 2, 2007 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great writeup
I don't have the time to research it, but I'm willing to bet that sg8335aa might be right about 2 sport athletes that lean heavily toward football might take longer to develop their skills on the diamond, and that we need to look at them a little differently. I know I will be taking that into account from here on out.
by gatling on Oct 2, 2007 8:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just out of curiousity
What do you personally take out of Holliday's emergence? I never saw this growth either, based on his past performance, and even allowing for his past 2-sport and QB-background...
I guess I'm asking if "being a 2-sport HS star" is somehow "scouting-wise-equivalent" to being a great "HS catcher"...that the offense will come, though it might take time...?
I know the quick answer is "No, it won't", but can we start to see some sort of pattern? There's a litany of failed prospects in the posts above - what was the difference between them and Holliday?
My guess is that that will NOT be the "answer", but maybe it heads us all down the right direction...
Thanks,
Joe
by joeficarra on Oct 2, 2007 10:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Josh Fields
Btw, here's a link on one of the articles I read:
http://www.edmondsun.com/statenews/cnhinsall_story_193014726.html
by RedHopeful on Oct 3, 2007 2:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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If he had stuck to football, he likely would've projected out as a mid-late round draft choice at QB, but it was pretty obvious that baseball was going to be his meal ticket.
Josh will almost certainly end up in the outfield. He is the opposite of "good" when it comes to defense at 3B.
by mrkupe on Oct 5, 2007 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Appropo
Matt
by WayneCampbell05 on Oct 6, 2007 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is a serious discovery...
by npurcell on Oct 6, 2007 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs












