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BA's AZL Top 20

  1. Hank Conger, c, Angels
  2. Jeremy Jeffress, rhp, Brewers
  3. Cedric Hunter, of, Padres
  4. Marcus Lemon, ss, Rangers
  5. Brent Fisher, lhp, Royals
  6. Matt Sweeney, 3b/1b, Angels
  7. Sharlon Schoop, ss, Giants
  8. Kyler Burke, of, Padres
  9. Jason Taylor, 3b, Royals
  10. Vladimir Veras, rhp, Angels
  11. Brent Brewer, ss, Brewers
  12. Gerardo Avila, 1b, Mariners
  13. Luis Durango, of, Padres
  14. Jose Ceda, lhp, Cubs
  15. Manuel Cabez, rhp, Giants
  16. Derrick Robinson, of, Royals
  17. Nick Van Stratten, of, Royals
  18. Carlos Peguero, of, Mariners
  19. Warner Madrigal, rhp, Angels
  20. Felix Carrasco, 3b, Padres
Where's Alex Liddi?

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Warner Madrigal
is still around?  Kinda weak if one of your top 20 prospects in the lowest level league is a guy who signed 6 or 7 years ago and just converted to the mound...

Why not ask where Liddi is in tomorrow's chat?

by Brickhaus on Sep 20, 2006 4:37 PM EDT reply actions  

true but
madrigal switched from an of to a rhp. so he basically is starting over.

by Dfarth on Sep 20, 2006 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

and he has
 a huge arm, maybe this ranking shows how huge it is

by SoCalSoxFan on Sep 21, 2006 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

definitely all about projection
since Conger got less than 90 ABs and Jeffress' numbers were terrible

by PooNani on Sep 20, 2006 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

At this low of a level
it really has to be.  I'm sure people remember Mitch Einertson a few years ago.  I'm not sure that even that type of performance would put someone at the top of a Rookie league these days if he didn't have the tools to back it up.

by Brickhaus on Sep 20, 2006 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Weak league
prospect-wise. GCL is larger and as usual has better prospects, and this year, PL probably does too. Appy may not though.

by Brett Perryman on Sep 20, 2006 8:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Boo
GCL sux.  Teams do not play teams in other divisions last time I checked, so it is like 3 teeny leagues of high school players.  They are thinking of eliminating the GCL and I hope they do.

Plus the hitting environment is better in the AZL, so the batting stats are more fun.

But seriously, the whole point of BA starting with the complex leagues is to build up the suspense as the lists have more and more real prospects.

by elricsi on Sep 21, 2006 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think
the low level lists are the most fun because its hardest and takes the most skill to predict how kids that far off will do (besides the obvious teenage superstars).

Its not really as interesting or hard to look at AA guys, since we know so much more

by nms on Sep 21, 2006 5:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

RE:
They are thinking of eliminating the GCL?  Where did you hear that?  

by SmokeyJoeWood on Sep 21, 2006 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

they were talking about that in early spring
if memory serves me right.

by thedude @ Minor League Ball on Sep 21, 2006 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

It wasn't just the GCL
it was the complex leagues altogether, so that would mean no AZL either.  The thought process is that it might just be better to have extended spring training / instructs for these kids anyway rather than playing a full schedule, plus in decreases some of the carrying costs, especially since the major league teams actually own the complex league teams.

by Brickhaus on Sep 21, 2006 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

GM meetings
At last year's GM meetings they said it was all but done that the GCL and AZL were gone.  They were also saying all the Appy teams would go co-up (I don't see how that could happen since all the Appy teams are owned by their major league affiliate.)

Anyway, a couple of teams objected (like the Braves), and so they put it off.  Plus I don't see how it saves much money as the GCL and AZL are so cheap to run seeing as they are at team facilities.

I don't see why they just don't leave it up to the individual teams.  If you want to have a ton of affiliates (quality from quantity), then go ahead.  Or if you only need a few since you depend on college players, then go ahead and do that.

by elricsi on Sep 21, 2006 11:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Jeffress
does anyone have more in-depth info on Jeffress? He's a bit of a mystery to me, other than that he throws mad fast
I'll be the first A+ prospect... www.myspace.com/posingforpennies

by ufoboy90 on Sep 21, 2006 11:23 AM EDT reply actions  

I thought Liddi didn't make it
because of his K rate- then I checked Felix Carrasco's - same position, more Ks, worse stats.

Look, I know this is all about scouting, and it probably should be.  But Liddi deserved to be there, esp. as a guy who's probably played the least organized baseball since he came from a non-baseball  country.  

by marc w @ Minor League Ball on Sep 21, 2006 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Part of it...
...could be that Carrasco is a switch-hitter, but on the other hand, they aren't entirely sure he's the advertised age, whereas Liddi, there's no dispute.

Liddi is going to be fun guy to follow, both for the story and the ability, but as Manuel said, when it comes to the lowest levels of the minors and who's legitimate, it can really be a crapshoot, and there are plenty of players who've showed up and dominated the first year only to never be heard from again (Jose Graterol, this year to last as an example for us).  A guy on the playoff team is going to get more attention anyway, and fighting over the last spot, eh...

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett

by JY on Sep 21, 2006 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

GCL List
  1. Clayton Kershaw, lhp, Dodgers
  2. Chris Parmelee, of/1b, Twins
  3. Gorkys Hernandez, of, Tigers
  4. Chris Marrero, of, Nationals
  5. Jason Place, of, Red Sox
  6. Dellin Betances, rhp, Yankees
  7. Adrian Cardenas, ss, Phillies
  8. Neftali Feliz, rhp, Braves
  9. Jhonny Nunez, rhp, Dodgers
  10. Tom Hickman, of, Marlins
  11. Preston Mattingly, ss, Dodgers
  12. Kyle Drabek, rhp, Phillies
  13. Steven Evarts, lhp, Braves
  14. Jesus Sanchez, c, Phillies
  15. Chad Rodgers, lhp, Braves
  16. Josue Calzado, of, Yankees
  17. D'Arby Myers, of, Phillies
  18. Zach McAllister, rhp, Yankees
  19. Carlos Monasterios, rhp, Yankees
  20. Joe Benson, of, Twins
This one was a little more predictable, with more top HS talents present.

by Brett Perryman on Sep 21, 2006 4:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Video of Benson/Parmelee
http://www.battleyourtailoff.com/minorblog

The Benson video is the first post, scroll down for the Parmelee video.

We also have forum threads discussing the two prospects.

by limozeen on Sep 21, 2006 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

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