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Pitcher Smackdown. . . Angels Pitchers poll

The below "King Weaver" diary got me thinking, so I figured a little smackdown may be in order here, involving the two Angel youngsters, Jered Weaver, and Ervin Santana.  They both seem like they will anchor the Angel rotation for years to come, and I guess I'm looking for you's guys's thoughts on who will have the better career.  Obviously they are both young and have virtually unlimited potential, but feel free to chime in and/or vote.

"King Weaver"  -Has had a huge year for the Angels, stepping in for the injured Bartolo Colon.  He throws a plus fastball, a plus change and a good curveball.  The first thing people that aren't really in his corner bring up is his flyball tendencies, but his other numbers have been filthy this year, and throughout his college career (and pretty solid minor league numbers too).  His best attribute seems to be his control, some saying it rivals that of Greg Maddux.  He can throw any of his pitches in any count, and his delivery creates great deception with his unorthodox delivery so his ball really gets on hitter's even faster than a normal 92-94 fastball would.  

Ervin Santana-- Ervin has some of the better stuff in the A.L.  He throws a fastball that tops out at 97, usually pitching around 92-94.  He also has a solid change up and a plus slider.  He seems to have overcome any injury concerns, as this year was his second relatively injury free season in a row (there were concerns in the minors).  Accross the board, Ervins numbers are solid, but he has regressed a bit in the second half of the season.  My biggest knock on Ervin is he seems somewhat disinterested at times on the mound, and he doesn't seem to be very intense on the mound.  Perhaps this is why he seems to have one bad inning every outing.  

So. . . long term, who do you think has the better career, Ervin or Weaver??????

Poll
Which young Angel will have the better career?
Jered Weaver
91 votes
Ervin Santana
55 votes

146 votes | Poll has closed

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Weaver
While Santana is improving, I've never been a huge fan of his, and feel like he'll be one of those frustratingly inconsistent pitchers through the course of his career

by Brickhaus on Sep 19, 2006 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Barring injury
I don't see why you'd argue Santana over Weaver. Weaver has ace, top pitcher in the league upside. I see Santana ending up as a good to solid #2.

by Fett42 @ Minor League Ball on Sep 19, 2006 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

It could probably be argued
that Santana's "stuff" is better, but Weaver has better makeup, control, and deception.  I'm wondering if Ervin is a guy that improves and takes the next step.

by SoCalSoxFan on Sep 19, 2006 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Santana
I don't like Jered. I also think he's going to have injury problems because, his mechanics aren't that great. I don't know he just doesnt excite me all that much.

by nate050904 on Sep 19, 2006 4:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree
I like Santana better. He's got much better stuff and while Weaver is putting up some eye-popping numbers, I think Ervin will be a dominant pitcher.

by yoda1 on Sep 19, 2006 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

doesn't matter
i vote for adenhart's stache.  if it's not in the poll then we need a new poll.  

by wily mo on Sep 20, 2006 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

the
stache didnt last too long :(

by SoCalSoxFan on Sep 20, 2006 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

slider
Have you seen Santana's slider? It makes hitters look silly. Add that to a top notch fastball.

Weaver is nice. But Santana has been underrated for a while and will continue to be for another year or two.

by pedrophile on Sep 20, 2006 2:04 AM EDT reply actions  

I dont question
his stuff, but for some reason something seems missing.

by SoCalSoxFan on Sep 20, 2006 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed
no disrespect to Weaver but I'll take Santana in the long run.
"Baseball is 90% mental, the other half is physical" - Yogi Berra

by the pinstripes on Sep 21, 2006 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about Joe Saunders!
Got to have a lefty in that mix.

2007 Angels starting rotation (and the future is now!):

Weaver (R)
Santana (R)
Lackey (R)
Escobar (R)
Saunders (L)

with Adenhart (R) to replace Escobar if he makes the jump next year.

The only issue is the lack of another lefty.

With Colon (often injured) and Escobar expendable over the next few years - I would look for a young lefty to take Lackey's or Escobar's spot.

It will be good to be an Angels fan over the next several years!

"... I'd wish both of those wretched, horrible, corrupt, sniveling, craptastic parties would shut the hell up already." - Basil; www.federalball.com

by kmcsql on Sep 21, 2006 1:28 PM EDT reply actions  

i dont think a lefty is really necessary
not to the point to have a back of the rotation type of guy (which i think saunders is) instead of a front end righty (adenhart's projection, colon).  I'm not real hi on Saunders and figure he gets traded unless they are forced to move Ervin in the "big move" that Arte is talking about.

by SoCalSoxFan on Sep 21, 2006 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Innings Eaters!
Do not sell short the need for solid einnings eaters in the back of the rotation!

None-the-less, Saunders is a little better than a back of the rotation starter - he's just back of the rotation in the Angels staff!

I see him as a number 2 or 3 starter down the road - most teams would love to have a lefty like him coming along!  Especially when you need to face the Yankees!

Maybe they'll trade him to the Yankees in one of their daft moves!

"... I'd wish both of those wretched, horrible, corrupt, sniveling, craptastic parties would shut the hell up already." - Basil; www.federalball.com

by kmcsql on Sep 21, 2006 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

i see him getting squeezed out of the picture
in anaheim. . .too early to tell if he's an innings eater, about 1/4 of his starts have been less than four innings (yes, very small sample size).  

by SoCalSoxFan on Sep 21, 2006 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

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