Are you Jeff Weaver trying to pump up your brother? Cause damn your pretty defensive against a guy that doesn't even know you exist. :-/

It's too bad he doesnt have Lirianos stuff... ERA and WHIP don't tell me about a guys ceiling I am sorry.

1 hit in the first 6 innings in Texas.

Ugh, they should trade him for a real pitcher like Prior.

I didn't have anything against you personally until reading this thread. What's your deal man? We get it, you think Jered Weaver is great. Just because someone says something slightly contradictory doesn't mean you should jump down their throats. Agree to disagree man. Jeez.

 I agree with you that  Jared Weaver has been most impressive this year.  He may hit some rough spots ahead, but he looks like a good one.

What I find so remarkable about this season is the number of bright young pitchers who broke in.  I this the beginning of a new golden era of pitching in baseball?

Weaver, Verlander, Liriano(it will be a shame if this is a career ruining injury), Hernandez, Josh Johnson,Matt Cain, Jon Papelbon(see Liriano comment above), Anibel Sanchez, Joel Zumaya........

I can't remember when there were so many great young guns breaking in at once.

I love the guy and everything i've seen all season (and not only cuz he just one-hit my team over seven).

This quickly turned into the most annoying thread I can remember on this board that doesn't involve politics or Daric Barton

But at some point doesn't anyone here think we're just splitting hairs. These guys all look like they can be great pitchers. It's odd to see such a large amount of young without anyone looking like an obvious flameout.

In the grand scheme of things, however, one season of MLB play is still a relatively small sample. I cannot say without reservation that Weaver is the best young pitcher, but I can't produce one "all knowing" stat that proves he is not. I guess I still believe that Felix will be the best, but I could be wrong there.

And BTW - Tango Tiger is an excellent analyst and his work in the Fielding Bible is an interesting study into the hardest part of baseball to quantify (except, perhaps, quantifying the value of the manager). Very good work. And like any good stat analyst, he is always trying to find holes in his own work in an effort to improve things even more.

dictionary definition of Prospect:
# Something expected; a possibility.
# prospects

   1. Chances.
   2. Financial expectations, especially of success.

So to invalidate or issue a declaimer that something is risky or chancy - when the whole meaning of the word is that it is risky or chancy seems very redundant to me.

Position prospects are just as risky, they just flame out less dramatically. Everyone is suprised about the Brazeltons, Fopperts, etc. But the Burroughs, Restovichs, Hensons, etc. are certainly there in equal numbers.

for people that are like "Omg wins and ERA!"

I think he's better than Duke.  He certainly has better numbers than Duke had last year.  Better WHIP, better K rate, telling factors.

But Weaver's not even the best rookie pitcher in the AL.  His flyball tendencies are starting to catch up to him, with 8 HRs in the last 55 IP.  Don't get me wrong, he's going to be really, really good, I thought Weaver was underrated entering the season, and I'm a big fan of his (whenever he's not pitching against my Sox).  But his flyball tendencies will hurt him.  And, more importantly, he won't do this well on his second time through the league.

He's not going to go 25-5, 2.15 next year.  He won't "even" go 20-8, 3.40.  He'll be a very good pitcher, and probably in a couple years he'll be a truly excellent pitcher for a couple years.  But let's see him prove he can maintain a below-3 ERA over a full year before we call him the next Pedro.

His younger brothers career track worries me in regards to Jered Weaver.  At one point, Jeff  Weaver not only looked like a future ace, but he was pitching like one with Detroit before being traded to the Yankees.  At the same age Weaver is right now, Jeff had better control but perhaps less stuff than Jered, although Jeff was a more GB oriented pitcher.   He gave up a higher ERA, but also pitched in for a much worse team with a terrible defense.  Jeff and Jered's periphals at the same age look pretty similar, except for his H/9 innings.  That, and his sparkling ERA, probably have more to do with Jered's .242 BABIP than superior stuff.

My point, though, is that Jeff didnt go from being traded for Jeremy Bonderman to being waiver wire fodder because of a lack of stuff, control, or health.  Jeff became a mediocre, then crappy, pitcher because he really doesnt have the mental tools to be an ace pitcher.  Once hitters in each league figuered him out, he couldn't make the counter-adjustments like a ace should.  The only thing thats kept him as a starter is his durability (I dont believe he's ever seen the DL).

Obviously, like Jeff, Jered has some excellent natural ability, but it remains to be seen how Jered reacts once hitters see him multiple times and figure him out.  Can he make the adjustments and does he have the mental make-up?  Jeff didnt.  

This isnt to say that I wouldnt love Jered Weaver on my favorite team, and I root for Jeff's old team.  Jered is easily one of the 5 best young pitchers in baseball, and a huge asset for the Angels.  But the same could be said about Jeff and Detroit six years ago, and yet Drombowski was smart for selling on him.  After Jered's 200 season, BaseballProspectus had this to say about him:

"The most exciting player on the Tigers (and not just because he led the league in hit batsmen), Jeff Weaver has absolutely electric stuff ... even more important was his increased maturity on the mound. Pay no attention to the 11-15 record; according to Michael Wolverton's Support-Neutral work, Weaver was the sixth-unluckiest pitcher in the majors last year."

I like and root for both Weavers, they're SoCal guys; It's just that Im concerned, thats all.  This is possibly, and hopefully, a baseless concern.

If I hear anyone call him "Dream" Weaver again, don't be surprised if you find me outside of Joe Buck's house with four guns, a hatchet, a bullet-proof vest, and half a bottle of Grey Goose.  I remember watching one of his starts against the Red Sox and Buck was trying at every possible opportunity to get that nickname over.  It just sounded contrived as all hell.